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Unless it has access to the Apple App Store or Google Play Store then I can't see it being a huge success. then it has no real chance of any actual success.

Fixed that for you and Microsoft and Google and everyone else.

90% of smartphone profits in Q3 2016, no matter how pundits want to spin.
 
Was Tim Cook able to do that? NO.

I don't think anyone has compared Tim Cook to Steve jobs and no one has compared the Microsoft CEO to Cook either. However the comparison was made between Satya Nadella and Jobs. My response is dead on, balls accurate to use an industry term. Nadella has yet to revolutionize anything although he may have resuscitated MS.
 
To be honest - Microsoft doesn't have to revolutionize a product category. The ceiling Apple has hit with desktops/laptops, phones and tablets proves there is only so far to go. The trick is making the ecosystem more relevant to users. Apple hardware is still beautiful but the software portion of the ecosystem needs more support. They need to make iWork more relevant, optimize iTunes and make iCloud more robust and professional grade.

Microsoft has this in spades - they have office, SQL server, Azure/Cloud, Office 365, and gaming/living room. If their only Gap is a phone - they have the money to break into that market.

The weakest competitor in this pool is Google. Their mobile OS environment is fragmented and insecure. They have no desktop grade OS - it has a solid phone presence but their tablets have even less value than iPads (iPad Pro has some promise) - and their application ecosystem is sub-par.

The coming battle is once again between Apple and Microsoft. Microsoft is leveling some bow shots - Apple better wake up. Stop giving up on software and invest more and don't drop any more product segments. (personal rant on Apple shutting down Time Capsule development - that was a great product that enhances the Apple ecosystem in my house - I just bought a new one).
 
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Microsoft has this in spades - they have office, SQL server, Azure/Cloud, Office 365, and gaming/living room. If their only Gap is a phone - they have the money to break into that market.

Microsoft has tried for the last 6 years to "break into" mobile. They even bought Nokia for $8 billion.

How much more money can they spend? And what exactly could they spend it on?

99 out of 100 smartphones sold today are Android and the iPhone. That's where we are right now.

I honestly don't think money will be the solution to Microsoft's problems in phones.
 
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With the love the Surface Studio is getting and the more "universal" OS that Windows is becoming makes me wonder if Microsoft isn't the sleeping giant. While Google and Apple are going after each other, Microsoft could be getting their crap together and really turn the market on its ear. Time will tell.
+1. So true!
Most probably that is what'll happen.
 
+1. So true!
Most probably that is what'll happen.

Strangely this very well could be history repeating itself. While I truly hope for MS to light the fire under some asses, I'm looking at you Cupertino, and just start pushing I can see this really turning into 2007 again.
 
The "Ultimate Mobile Device" had already been invented, and MS is out of the game for good.

Unless he's referring to implants, that are far away in the future.

Right... there can't be any further innovation in mobile for the next 1000 years.

And 640KB is all a personal computer will ever need.
 
Microsoft has tried for the last 6 years to "break into" mobile. They even bought Nokia for $8 billion.

How much more money can they spend? And what exactly could they spend it on?

99 out of 100 smartphones sold today are Android and the iPhone. That's where we are right now.

I honestly don't think money will be the solution to Microsoft's problems in mobile.

The mistake was to buy Nokia - that was money poorly applied. They should have focused on the software platform - which they are now. They still have the cash and the business market and now they are creeping into the living room with new Xbox model and they are starting to make inroads into the creative community.

You cannot sleep on them - Nadella is a far more competent CEO than Ballmer.
 
The mistake was to buy Nokia - that was money poorly applied. They should have focused on the software platform - which they are now. They still have the cash and the business market and now they are creeping into the living room with new Xbox model and they are starting to make inroads into the creative community.

You cannot sleep on them - Nadella is a far more competent CEO than Ballmer.

But how do you get people to stop buying Android phones and iPhones? Apparently people like those.

As for XBox... aren't there only about 40 million of them out in the world? Even if every XBox owner bought a Windows Phone... that would still be roughly 2% of all smartphones.

And that's IF every XBox owner bought a Windows Phone... which is highly unlikely.
 
The New Microsoft "thinks different" while the New Apple thinks different is absurd.
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Steve Jobs didn't make vague proclamations. He'd show off new products when they were ready to ship.

True but unfotunately Tim Cook is the worst for making vague proclamations about what Apple supposedly has coming down the pipes while making a lot of excuses for missing the mark lately, or rather through Phil Schiller. Of most tech CEOs today, Tim Cook is way out of his depth.

Personally in the last month alone, Microsoft has become by far a more interesting company to keep a eye on while Apple has become boring and predictable. We will see if Microsoft can reinvigorate there phone brand, but honestly after both Apple and Google bombed on innovation this year Microsoft doesn't have a high bar to target for anymore.
 
The New Microsoft "thinks different" while the New Apple thinks different is absurd.
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Personally in the last month alone, Microsoft has become by far a more interesting company to keep a eye on while Apple has become boring and predictable. We will see if Microsoft can reinvigorate there phone brand, but honestly after both Apple and Google bombed on innovation this year Microsoft doesn't have a high bar to target for anymore.

Wasn't this how Xerox and IBM were in the 1970s right about the time that Apple and Microsoft came along and effectively took their entire market off them?

I seem to remember the executives of both Xerox and IBM thinking that the personal computer had no future whatsoever, because only businesses used computers. Both of these companies were ultra-conservative and unwilling to take risks. Xerox was so unwilling to take risks, that they couldn't even see the potential of the mouse and GUI interface.

Is Apple turning into the next IBM or Xerox stuck in an approach and with a product range that is getting progressively out of date and less relevant, while being unwilling to take risks with new product lines?
 
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