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While I would still buy an iOS device, I think they make some valid points. I would like to be able to switch to having two apps run side by side at times. Hell, even if it was just two phone apps, that are intended for the small size, running side by side on the tablet. I can't count the number of times I have to switch back and forth between two apps to accomplish a single task. And to make matters worse, the double button click, then find the app and click method is annoyingly time consuming when you just want to go back to the previous app.

Four finger swipe left or right. If that doesn't work, go to Settings, then General and turn on multiswipe gestures.
 
Competition is better for everyone. I would much rather see a healthy Microsoft that competes with Android and iOS, because it makes everybody work harder. When I saw what Microsoft was coming out with I was actually pretty glad because it looked like a decent product. Nothing I'd ever buy, but something good enough to get a decent marketshare. Apparently there's too many people like me who saw it as something they'd never buy, which is too bad.

Competition is why MS can't compete in the mobile market. Other companies have better Operating Systems and hardware.

I own a Zune HD, love the sound, HD Radio and UI. Microsoft handled that one badly.

It's more like Apple handled it supurbly.
 
Sorry B4U, I'm a little confused. Was your comment related to what I said or who I was replying to? Because if the Surface does run Android then I really feel like a fool right now :eek:

My comment meant the person you were replying to is an indication of how the surface is now.

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... for an additional $100+monthly service? No thanks. I already have a phone.

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You must have small fingers. Four of mine are the full height of my phone.

It is for the iPad...
Why bring up a "phone" when the topic is about the surface which is a "tablet"?
 
It's more like Apple handled it supurbly.

Apple had little to with it because the iPod was well established. It boiled down to no marketing on Microsoft's part for the Zune HD. Other than that a superb sounding device.
 
What I would like to see them do is really have some humble pie. Realize that segmenting your market immediately with the RT and Pro version is a stupid idea. While they aren't bad designed machines, they lack a cohesive identity. Thus take the RT's that they have in stock, and pull out the motherboards, replace them with Pro motherboards, batteries and back housing. Basically convert them to Pros. Maybe not full pros, maybe just Surface. But they run the same apps as the pros. Now you have the Surface and Surface Pro but they run the same version of the OS, same applications. One may be slower and less battery life?
They would have big problems with the FCC, a fire sale is the only way to go. Then MS can write off their losses.
 
There's an easy fix for all of Microsoft's problems:

1) Ditch Windows RT. Immediately. Before more people buy it at a fire sale and expect things for it.
2) Get Haswell-powered Windows 8 tablets out ASAP, at the iPad's price MAX. Doubling the price isn't going to sell them.
3) Remove Metro from desktop Windows. Or at least give the option of a FULL Windows Desktop or Metro (not this silly start button that goes to Metro in 8.1). Either way it's on the same core, who cares what the GUI looks like?

2) Yes, sell a high end hybrid tablet/laptop at way below cost, so your licensees cannot make any money competing against you. Then they stop selling Win8 tablets and making you any payments. Brilliant!... /s
 
Apple had little to with it because the iPod was well established. It boiled down to no marketing on Microsoft's part for the Zune HD. Other than that a superb sounding device.

Apple had what, 76% of the mini music player market ? They didn't invent the digital music player, but they stepped in and took it over with a superior product and infrastructure. Apple handled it supurbly. I bought a first generation Nano on release day. I was hooked. MS could have spent a trillion dollars trying to market the Zune, there would have still been no reason for me to switch. Apple controls the digital music player market.
 
... for an additional $100+monthly service? No thanks. I already have a phone.

$100? What data service costs $100?
I think standard plans are $30 for 3 GB or simply $10 on a "share everything" style plan.

Really not having a cellular option was a huge mistake. Prevent people from easily making it a laptop replacement like people already do with the iPad.

Really the Surface was a good idea with ok marketing. But there are drawbacks, storage space lies, low res screen, slow processing power, poor touchcover implementation, etc.
I won't consider one for $350 but if they drop into the $150 range I might just to keep at work.
 
Apple had little to with it because the iPod was well established. It boiled down to no marketing on Microsoft's part for the Zune HD. Other than that a superb sounding device.

But then shouldn't we still give Apple the recognition for establishing the iPod as THE goto mp3/media player? When the iPod first arrived it was already in competition with a slew of other mp3 devices with features that the iPod didn't have. Apple just marketed their mp3 player and continued to build upon their first model till we are where we are today with the iPod as the dominant portable media player (excluding smartphones).

Apple came into the market after it was already established and even though it was still young, the competition was ready to take on the newcomer Apple. I still have my RIO S10 that I use when doing yard work. As well MS was just sloppy handling Zune. It is a solid player, but they couldn't make much of dent in the market.
 
Microsoft should focus on what it's best at - the enterprise. Spin off Xbox and focus on things like Office, database, Azure, etc. rather than redesigning Windows to play in the consumer electronics space. What's wrong with Microsoft being more like IBM?

Well they hold the gaming industry by its balls already.
 
Microsoft sales reps keep calling me at work (a middle school), begging us to buy some at $199.99. They sound so sad when I tell them about our 200 MacBook Airs and pure Mac environment.
 
Steve Ballmer needs to just step down.

No way. Ballmer needs to go down with the ship. He provides the comic relief the stock holders need to distract them from the numbers.

Then as soon as the company goes under, Ballmer hits the "American Idol" circuit as his second career.

Its a win/win for everyone.
 
"Despite the slow sales of the Surface RT, Microsoft is pushing ahead with plans for a second generation tablet."

hmm... doesn't history repeat itself. perhaps by the 3rd gen. Steve will wake up from his dream. :confused:
 
"despite the slow sales of the surface rt, microsoft is pushing ahead with plans for a second generation tablet."

hmm... Doesn't history repeat itself. Perhaps by the 3rd gen. Steve will wake up from his dream. :confused:

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You must have small fingers. Four of mine are the full height of my phone.

Discussion was about tablets. Then again, my phone has a nice 4.7" screen.
 
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I think they should ditch ARM and go with Intel all the way (Haswell) - for all day battery life. If they price it right, it will be a huge hit.

From my eyes, I think what really hurt Surface RT is incompatibilities with Windows app. I mean that's the strongpoint of Windows, having a rich app ecosystem. Then they're just throwing that advantage away to get battery life? The fourth generation Intel core processors (Haswell) solve this.
 
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