Okay, what about Apple's monopoly on OSX. It can only run (mostly) on Apple's own hardware. That's even more of an obvious monopoly tactic than Microsoft's with Windows. (Even before that was controlled by the government.)
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Microsoft Confirms Multi-Touch Zune HD to Compete Against iPod Touch
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Okay. Fine. If Zune can't use Multi-Touch (because Apple thought of it first), then iPod/iPhone can't use OLED because (because Microsoft thought of it first).
Not directed to you, but it's amazing how hypocritical some of you fanboys can be. It's so-so okay when the competition does something first (OLED, FM), but you guys scream bloody murder "epic fail" when Apple does it first and others follow. Nice... nice.
I guess folks here don't like OLED screens, or HD radio. I guess Apple shouldn't do it cuz folks here hate it.
My god, can you look up what percentage entails a monopolize market. Specifically if no other systems can access the products. Do some more research please.
Before I got lost in this stuff, this is exactly what some of us "old timer" have seen since the late 70's and how MS ran unhindered throughout the 80's and 90's. Well old timers like me.
Okay. Fine. If Zune can't use Multi-Touch (because Apple thought of it first), then iPod/iPhone can't use OLED because (because Microsoft thought of it first).
Not directed to you, but it's amazing how hypocritical some of you fanboys can be. It's so-so okay when the competition does something first (OLED, FM player), but you guys scream bloody murder "epic fail" when Apple does it first and others follow. Nice... nice.
A. "Multi-Touch" is a copyright term that Apple has applied for and not received yet I believe.
B. OLED is a type of display that was not invented by Microsoft. Anyone can use an OLED display.
C. FM radio ( and HDFM Radio ) is already in several cell phones.
closed minded biased people who keeps complaining about MS copying everything
heyy there people,
quit complaining about MS copying Apple or any other company copying Apple.
seriously does it really matter to the end user where a company got its idea from. the only thing that matter is that the user wants their product to work.
so what this Zune HD thing will come out after more than 2 years or lets say even 5 years and uses the same gesture and that ipod touch uses..as long as it works I will buy it...
people who are complaining about the looks of product...ask yourself and give honest reply...this thing is no where near ugly...
just be honest and give a simple answer...
What would you buy: an iPod touch as it is now or any other product which is exact replica of iPod touch and does everything it does for like $ 20 less??
heyy there people,
quit complaining about MS copying Apple or any other company copying Apple.
seriously does it really matter to the end user where a company got its idea from. the only thing that matter is that the user wants their product to work.
so what this Zune HD thing will come out after more than 2 years or lets say even 5 years and uses the same gesture and that ipod touch uses..as long as it works I will buy it...
people who are complaining about the looks of product...ask yourself and give honest reply...this thing is no where near ugly...
just be honest and give a simple answer...
What would you buy: an iPod touch as it is now or any other product which is exact replica of iPod touch and does everything it does for like $ 20 less??
Microsoft really missed the boat with the lack of OS X software. The Zune hardware is solid and the interface is easy to use. Over on the Windows side the once you hit Version 3 for the Zune software things really took off.
There are enough OS X users that are looking for something that isn't the iPod, etc. and Microsoft can fill that niche with a good product.
I have to say that this has nothing on the ipod touch until it gets mobile apps, and it also gets off of IE
And then there is always the fact that because apple uses their conencter and the 3.0 software, they could potentially just add in a small dongle to get HD radio, and viola! they just kicked zunes ass again!
And then there is always the fact that because apple uses their conencter and the 3.0 software, they could potentially just add in a small dongle to get HD radio, and viola! they just kicked zunes ass again!
I also don't see an HD output on the iPod, so let's not bog down in a hypocrisy fight...Of course, we all know that those DRM-free movies and shows Apple sells are better.
My point was simply that calling something Zune HD, when it can't physically display HD content and can't practically source it, is silly.
Um, OS X is not a monopoly in any shape or form.... Or do you think that Sony has a monopoly, since you can run PS3-OS only on PS3?
If Apple had 90% market-share then you might have a point. But last time I checked, Apple had under 10% share. Apple can't use OS X to help their unrelated product gain market-dominance. Compare that to Microsoft, who used their monopoly on the desktop to gain monopoly in web-browsers.
That said, I think the new Zune looks pretty good. It's no longer turd on a stick like the original Zune was, nor is it plain ugly like the second-gen Zune. But even if the appearance is OK, the actual product will probably flop hard.
crash often? sounds like my iPod touch
Lame interface? sounds like my iPod touch - hopefully 3.0 brings an update
Finely polished and integrated into other systems? doesn't sound like my iPod touch - i hate iTunes
No they don't. They are the biggest player in the market, but they do not have a monopoly. There are lots of alternatives to the iPod and the barrier to switch to a new player isn't that big.
Compare to Windows and Office. Both are extremely entrenched products, and switching away from either is very very hard. And both have bigger market-share in their markets, than iPod has in it's market.
It doesn't look too bad, however, it doesn't really seem like MS incorporated one of the benefits of OLED into that Zune thing... OLEDs are really thin and that Zune is way too thick. I can't imagine how thin Apple could go with the Touch if it had an OLED screen.
I see it failing like all the other Zunes. Mainly because developers aren't going to be too interested in it. Dev's are the reason why the iPhone is as popular as it is today.
I should have put in my post that I don't necessarily agree with Apple's monopoly on Multi-Touch. I completely agree with you. Something as simple as multi-touch shouldn't be locked down to one company, competition is good.
I see it failing like all the other Zunes. Mainly because developers aren't going to be too interested in it. Dev's are the reason why the iPhone is as popular as it is today.
Okay. Fine. If Zune can't use Multi-Touch (because Apple thought of it first), then iPod/iPhone can't use OLED because (because Microsoft thought of it first).
Not directed to you, but it's amazing how hypocritical some of you fanboys can be. It's so-so okay when the competition does something first (OLED, FM), but you guys scream bloody murder "epic fail" when Apple does it first and others follow. Nice... nice.
I should have put in my post that I don't necessarily agree with Apple's monopoly on Multi-Touch. I completely agree with you. Something as simple as multi-touch shouldn't be locked down to one company, competition is good.
Wondering...
If the Zune HD is going to have "Mobile IE", would it do Active X too?
In that case, I just might ditch my iPhone (which I use as an iPod Touch here in South Korea at the moment)
IE8 is pretty damn impressive, and on my Desktop PC, I ditched FireFox for it thanks to its compatibility with many of the websites I use. (I used to use firefox mainly and IE7 when needed, but now I completely rely on IE8)
If the Zune HD is going to have "Mobile IE", would it do Active X too?
In that case, I just might ditch my iPhone (which I use as an iPod Touch here in South Korea at the moment)
IE8 is pretty damn impressive, and on my Desktop PC, I ditched FireFox for it thanks to its compatibility with many of the websites I use. (I used to use firefox mainly and IE7 when needed, but now I completely rely on IE8)