I've seen dozens of phones and players that look much closer to the iPhone/iPod Touch, so I don't understand the fuss about MS having copied something. This zune doesn't even remotely look like an iPhone/iPod Touch!
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Microsoft Confirms Multi-Touch Zune HD to Compete Against iPod Touch
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MS are going to have to get some serious marketing on the go to get people to buy this over the touch. Doesn't look half as innovative as the iPod Touch. Although it looks like utter BS, i'm going to wait and see. Never know, if it was made to beat the iPod Touch, then obviously someone liked it more than the Touch.
In a way, giving Apple, competition is a good thing, then they may get pushed to produce something, or some more awesome features on a future device.
-Sam
In a way, giving Apple, competition is a good thing, then they may get pushed to produce something, or some more awesome features on a future device.
-Sam
anyone else wonder who designs thier stuff
Does anyone else wonder how ms can design so badly? There are so many talented design consultancies that can bring a creative approach. So whats going wrong!? Who makes this stuff?
Looks like it has been designed in a board meeting by people in suits to me, and the designers were just given the remit of packaging late in the day. Shame as there are so many cool things apple is unable to do design-wise. (stylistically) And a well funded company like ms could really innovate in a different direction.
Does anyone else wonder how ms can design so badly? There are so many talented design consultancies that can bring a creative approach. So whats going wrong!? Who makes this stuff?
Looks like it has been designed in a board meeting by people in suits to me, and the designers were just given the remit of packaging late in the day. Shame as there are so many cool things apple is unable to do design-wise. (stylistically) And a well funded company like ms could really innovate in a different direction.
if they dont give a *****, they wouldnt have spent billions devleoping it in the first place.
According to the Microsoft, at E3 "attendees will see first-hand how Zune integrates into Xbox LIVE creating a game-changing entertainment experience".
So there will be games.
Looking cool, I think the design should simplified though, it looks too cluttered and industrial.
Hide the screws, and really simplify the edges, looks a bit messy.
Gonna be cool though. The old Zune is nothing compared to this.
Hide the screws, and really simplify the edges, looks a bit messy.
Gonna be cool though. The old Zune is nothing compared to this.
I know I know. Also believe iPhone will never live to it's true potential seeing how Steve sells non hd as hd and the iPhone won't play 90% of streaming media from the web as they want you to purchase everything. Including already aired tv shows.
Never owned a zune but this interesting.
Never owned a zune but this interesting.
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now thats one sexy device way the go MS
looks better than a ipod and iphone I think (the outside not the inside!)
I sold my 3G hoping next week a better Iphone will be announced (and it will)
looks better than a ipod and iphone I think (the outside not the inside!)
I sold my 3G hoping next week a better Iphone will be announced (and it will)
Why.. I mean why do they always have to make a same kind of product like Apple does? That's so annoying even if it's just business. Microsoft is so much bigger (bigger resources) so you think that they do whole different products. But no... Apple is always the first there. 
returned after two days
They did hte copying very well, the interface is good and it is a lot quicker then my first-gen iPhone.
But the phone was (at least for me) unusable, the reception bad, it drops connections, hence returned it after two days.
Its gorgeous just like at that square pointy back that would dig into your hand so nicely! and the screws just make it look so flush as if it is built at lots of bits of scrap!
Honestly this is so rubbish, regardless of whether it copied the mighty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NITUSfwtvA that is an iphone copy, but at least they did it properly and understood that there is some reason to having curved no screw exposed phone!
They did hte copying very well, the interface is good and it is a lot quicker then my first-gen iPhone.
But the phone was (at least for me) unusable, the reception bad, it drops connections, hence returned it after two days.
One important note to add to the "monopoly" discussion is that the history behind the two so-called monopoly products is pretty different. Windows has a near-monopoly (to the point where MS does have monopoly powers such as collecting tax on essentially every computer sold without an Apple logo on it) because MS was deft enough to get PC manufacturers into a contractual stranglehold as the industry was still forming, and worked to set up a system to prop up that stranglehold. The iPod has a near-monopoly because it entered a market that already existed and already had other equivalent products and competed its way to the top, working to set up a vertical system that supported its own products. Apple does nothing to prevent other media players from competing, unless you consider the iPod line's market momentum a form of deliberate suppression. Perhaps the accessory market is too biased toward iPods, to the point where it's hard for anyone else to trick out their players, but all those companies are doing is following the money where it's already going.
Not very pretty is it? Then again not as ugly as some people are saying... *cough* fanboys *cough*
But I would love if the touch got some of these features; HD radio and OLED would be nice. Might persuade me to upgrade from my 8GB 'fat' Nano (which I actually like the shape of).
Microsoft turning up late again, if I thought the product would work then I would say it may actually sell in reasonable numbers, but not enough to really hurt iPods. However, I don't fancy having to drain the battery just because Feb has an extra day every now and then, or seeing a 'red ring of death' on an Xbox if I get within 10 miles (Ok, I made the last one up).
But I would love if the touch got some of these features; HD radio and OLED would be nice. Might persuade me to upgrade from my 8GB 'fat' Nano (which I actually like the shape of).
Microsoft turning up late again, if I thought the product would work then I would say it may actually sell in reasonable numbers, but not enough to really hurt iPods. However, I don't fancy having to drain the battery just because Feb has an extra day every now and then, or seeing a 'red ring of death' on an Xbox if I get within 10 miles (Ok, I made the last one up).
Hmm, being MS's first relatively powerful handheld I cant help thinking this thing's success is going to depend entirely on the games.
If it was just for the media related stuff I'd laugh it off as a ipod wannabe that wont take off at all.. (still the most likely scenario!) If MS use some of their games industry muscle to secure game development though and position this as their handheld xbox then Apple might have something to worry about.
I hope it fails on that front, it'd be a shame if Apple get their blossoming little gaming platform taken away from them before the big publishers really got to make more than a couple of proper games for it.
If it was just for the media related stuff I'd laugh it off as a ipod wannabe that wont take off at all.. (still the most likely scenario!) If MS use some of their games industry muscle to secure game development though and position this as their handheld xbox then Apple might have something to worry about.
I hope it fails on that front, it'd be a shame if Apple get their blossoming little gaming platform taken away from them before the big publishers really got to make more than a couple of proper games for it.
Same can be said here however, a recent trend has indicated that the more negative things have been here, the more positive it"seems" to be for microsoft, emphasis, seems. And since when is engadget biased? Is that like Red Sox and Yankee fans both saying ESPN is biased toward the opposite team when it clearly is not, can't be true as each cancels the other.
I do wonder sometimes if Apple people ever get out, you know, the Apple forever types that have known nothing else. I think they would be shocked to learn that most compter saavy types actually look down on Apple. It could also be (Engaget) that perhaps they represnt the other 90% of the market.