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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:good news

Originally posted by TheFish
Thats a mistake in my opinion, in the g5 commercial they didnt even mention that it was the first 64 bit personal computer, to me thats a big selling point.

Pah!!!

There isn't a 64 bit OS for it yet and even if there was, it'll be years before it's an advantage!

64 bit is a future-proofing mechanism. It does nothing for the end user today.
 
Originally posted by ewinemiller
1. In a phone conference with a coworker teaching us a new tool. He was connected to our server using Windows Terminal Services, we used the same thing to shadow his session and could watch every step. The server was in the server room, we were in the board room, he was across the country. Terminal Services (Remote Desktop in XP Pro) is something that has changed the way we do work, for the better. I don't have to carry home a laptop to be on call, a quick VPN connection, terminal services into my machine at work and it's like I'm there.
How is this different from using Apple Remote Desktop in OS X??
 
YAY!!!

I love Apple ads! There should be tons of them. Recently I came across some Mac OS X 10.2 "Jaguar" Ads online (not on Apple's page) I never saw them on TV, I liked'em though. They were abotu iChat, and Junk Mail and one showed a cut out of the Jaguar X walking around. They were cool. As someone said before. The Mac will soon be 20 years old, this should bring some great commericals. Come on Apple!! <rolls dice>:rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:good news

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Pah!!!

There isn't a 64 bit OS for it yet and even if there was, it'll be years before it's an advantage!

64 bit is a future-proofing mechanism. It does nothing for the end user today.

Define "end user".

I have a 64-bit workstation at my desk. Not a Mac. If it were a 32-bit workstation it would be useless to me. There are a group of users to whom 64-bit computing is essential -- this is the group to which Apple is marketing to.

And yes, we know that Panther isn't a full 64-bit operating system. However, the hooks are there for coders, and the next operating system will be. Code written to take advantage of 64-bit APIs will work today, and will be blazing fast tomorrow.

This might seem like bad marketing to you, but the vendors (Sun, HP, IBM, SGI, etc.) that have 64-bit solutions today (and did seven years ago) released their 64-bit offerings the same way: hardware first, followed by software that didn't take advantage of it but had hooks for developers, followed by full-blown software that was optimized for it. Apple is following in their footsteps.
 
Re: iPod on ER

Originally posted by trusso
Did anyone see ER on thursday? Carter was listening to an iPod!:cool: :D

Yep. He even mentioned by name when he was asked about it and had it with him in several scenes.

Also, the son on the OC has a 17" iMac and an iPod.

Bill Gates is just desperate to keep up with the Jobses.

:D:D
 
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Bill Gates, Eternal Dork

Gates and Co just don't understand how this cool thing works. You can't buy coolness, you can't advertise it, you can't push it down people's throats. Apple is cool because of the iPod, the TiBook and all of its amazing software. Apple's iPod has become the de facto image of the MP3 player.
In the ER episode everyone has mentioned the iPod is not only shown several times, but mentioned by name and then described. It became part of the show. But, Carter didn't say "made by Apple Computer" because he didn't have to. In the last issue of Wired you will notice significant references to Apple, and in the pictorials Felix Da Housecat has his iPod prominently displayed. Wired also has the "What's on Your iPod?" where they ask various musicians what they listen to. But, it's what on your iPod.
Gates and Monkey-boy Ballmer, etc. believe they can buy coolness, they can buy their way in, and I hope it's not true.
As for commercials, Apple's had some good ones, but I'd like to see more, and I'd like to see large magazine ads that describe their machines in more detail.
Lastly, while I've liked the last few ads, the G5 ad is fairly goofy and distracting. We barely see the machine, and they've got to find a new narrator beside Jeff Goldblum.
But that's just my two cents, anyone have change for a dollar?
 
Well.... Maybe Microsoft CAN BE COOL.....

As soon as they convince everyone that Draconian DRM licencing is cool too.

Slim chance for that though; this cool schpeel is being done to smoth the way for such underhanded things.

If you pay attention you'll also see that Microsoft is also in attempts to bind the BIOS with the OS so that they may also CONTROL THE HARDWARE.

Children beware of fat geeky dudes bearing large lollypops; that candy has a tendancy to cause painful cavities, and loss of teeth. :eek:

Just a quick question to the Admin here.

Why was my post with a picture with Steve Ballmer, and my saying he looks an awful lot like Young Frankenstein posted, and then removed?

:( It was just a joke... that's all
 
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In season 2, there were a couple of Dell laptops in use, but they were conspicuously being used by the less liked players. Whenever a key actor was using a computer it was still a Mac. I enjoyed the contrast.

And the Powerbook's looked so much nicer to the Dells.
 
Originally posted by drbyers
pc users don't care about 64-bit. they only care about MHz... and game titles, because they have no lives.
Are you crazy? AMD is making a HUGE splash right now because of the Athlon64. And they are actually clocked slower than the current high end AthlonXP, but show a good performance gain due to the huge cache sizes. And just to put it to bed, I've learned over the years that if you let yourself get upset over Apples' ad campaign, you will end up being angry all the time. Apple's ads aren't terribly good at showing what their computers can do, just that they are hip. What sold the iMac? Colored plastic. That's it. It ran the same OS as the powermacs at the time, so the whole "3 minute" internet was the same. So I agree that Apple should show their software in ads, but I also accept that they never will.
 
you're just as crazy.

Intel is now using its marketing muscle to try and deflate the advantages of 64 bit performance to the peecee weenies, because Intel knows it doesn't have anything comparible lined up in the near future.

Intel's official position now is that regular desktop users don't need such speedy performance. And intel heads believe them, just go to tomshardware.com.

Ironically, pcworld has come out and said the new AMDs basically smoke anything Intel has to offer on the desktop.

btw, intel used the same lame argument when apple debuted the G4, before unleashing the 'tards in the shiny bunny suits.
 
Or NOT.

Originally posted by drbyers
pc users don't care about 64-bit. they only care about MHz... and game titles, because they have no lives.

I guess everyone who has ever purchase a game console be it an Atari 5200 to a PS2 to a GameCube have no lives either. How many million or billion is that? In summery. Get real. :rolleyes:
Oh and to clue you in. The average user no one has any use for a 64-bit CPU. I’ve love to find 10 people within a mile of me that would be several GB of RAM in their system. Heck most probably have 256 at this point. Unless you are dealing in RAM the 64-bit aspect of the G5 is all marketing.
 
Originally posted by Fukui
How is this different from using Apple Remote Desktop in OS X??

Let me know if I'm wrong on this but don't you have to purchase this software spep? And it’s not really designed around the home consumer. The software is business oriented.

In the case of XP it’s built into the OS ready to use out of the box. In fact non XP systems, even Mac I believe as long as you are using a TSC, can remote control an XP system out of the box.
 
hey genius, I have a need for 64 bit, because I do video editing, high end 3d and heavy photoshopping all day.

i can definitely tell you're a "gamer." better yet, make that a "troll." lol.

and 256 megs of ram is for peecee weenies who bought computers to serve as over-glorified typewriters. pure genius.
 
Originally posted by drbyers
you're just as crazy.

Intel is now using its marketing muscle to try and deflate the advantages of 64 bit performance to the peecee weenies, because Intel knows it doesn't have anything comparible lined up in the near future.

Intel's official position now is that regular desktop users don't need such speedy performance. And intel heads believe them, just go to tomshardware.com.

Ironically, pcworld has come out and said the new AMDs basically smoke anything Intel has to offer on the desktop.

btw, intel used the same lame argument when apple debuted the G4, before unleashing the 'tards in the shiny bunny suits.

ok, but what does that have to do with your original statement of saying that PC users don't care about 64-bit? Users care, but Intel has no chip ready to compete with AMD right now, that's why they are trying to downplay the technology.

And also, not everyone is a power user. Most people simply buy computers to check email and surf the internet. So for those individuals 256 megs of ram is adequate, and 64-bit means nothing. If you can prove to these people that 64-bit will make these tasks faster, they may take interest, but spouting numbers and chip features means nothing.

And I enjoy videogames too. Sorry if you don't take the time to enjoy yourself in your downtime.
 
Originally posted by drbyers
you just answered all your own questions. try reading your own post.

Now you're not making any logical sense, but that's ok, I've stopped caring about this subject. And I refuse to lower myself to the level of having a petty online argument.
 
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Let me know if I'm wrong on this but don't you have to purchase this software spep? And it’s not really designed around the home consumer. The software is business oriented.

In the case of XP it’s built into the OS ready to use out of the box. In fact non XP systems, even Mac I believe as long as you are using a TSC, can remote control an XP system out of the box.
XP out of the home box can not be utilised via ADC. It requires XP professional. The ADC program is currently free.
 
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Let me know if I'm wrong on this but don't you have to purchase this software spep? And it’s not really designed around the home consumer. The software is business oriented.

In the case of XP it’s built into the OS ready to use out of the box. In fact non XP systems, even Mac I believe as long as you are using a TSC, can remote control an XP system out of the box.
Right, but only in XP Pro IIRC, its included. In Panther RDC is included as well. And right now the client is a free download, so other than the server software, I believe its basically the same.
 
Originally posted by ewinemiller
Your absolutely right. Here's a couple of moments I've had in the last year or so where I sat back and thought "this is cool".

1. In a phone conference with a coworker teaching us a new tool. He was connected to our server using Windows Terminal Services, we used the same thing to shadow his session and could watch every step. The server was in the server room, we were in the board room, he was across the country. Terminal Services (Remote Desktop in XP Pro) is something that has changed the way we do work, for the better. I don't have to carry home a laptop to be on call, a quick VPN connection, terminal services into my machine at work and it's like I'm there.

2. The first time I turned on XP's ClearType. It's absolutely amazing, OSX's font antialiasing does not even come close to its clarity.

3. A couple of months back I wrote a Visual Basic application that used COM (a windows technology) to control Corel Photopaint and do a couple of specific functions. Next I hacked the registry (a database that drives much of windows behavior) to add a couple of new options to the right mouse button menu when selecting image files. Now those functions are integrated features of Explorer, all in 15 minutes worth of work. If you think Cocoa apps are easy to write, you should try VB and COM.

4. A coworker checked in some source code with his SQL Server password in plain text. SQL Server can also execute command lines through a stored procedure so we connected to his SQL Server and used it to send net popups from his machine to other coworkers saying all kinds of outragous stuff. Really you could do this on pretty much any platform you've rooted, but it was still fun ;).

5. We wrote an instant messaging tool for the office using VB and COM+, again VB and COM made it easy to instance an object on the server that relayed the message to all the registered clients.

Likewise I've had a few of those moments with OSX too, like when I got SendMail and the pop3 server up and running then pointed a personal domain at it, and the first time I bought something from the iTunes music store. Windows and OSX are tools, each can do some pretty cool things. If your perception of MS is still Windows 9x, or even just XP, you've missed about 90% of what they do and the technologies they provide. MS may not have something as visible and pretty as an iPod or new G5 and I think they will have a real hard time showing what they do in product placement kind of efforts, but there is plenty of cool in the things they do.

Okay, none of that is cool. iPod is cool. iMac's are cool. Secure SQL blah-blah-blah-clear-font-yadda-yadda? Not so much.
 
Originally posted by crookedcharlie
Okay, none of that is cool. iPod is cool. iMac's are cool. Secure SQL blah-blah-blah-clear-font-yadda-yadda? Not so much.

And here is where the cool is in the eye of the beholder comes in. My definition of cool is more around what can that tool or technology do to change or enhance my life. I tend to think things don't qualify as cool as much as ideas and applications.

To me the iPod is not cool, it's just an MP3 player. It's a very nice MP3 player. I have one and like it a lot, but there are hundreds on the market and there is nothing that makes it distinctly unique.

The iMac is pretty and has a distinctive look, but it's not cool. It would not offer a significantly different user experience than any other Mac I use. It changes nothing.

On the other hand the iTunes music store in my eyes is cool, it was the first implementation of that business model that made sense and worked. It offered convenience and quality above and beyond anything else and changed the way I buy music. It is why I bought an iPod.

To me for a technology company to change the way I live or work for the better is cool, Apple has done it, so has MS.
 
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