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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:good news

Originally posted by cnladd
I have a 64-bit workstation at my desk. Not a Mac. If it were a 32-bit workstation it would be useless to me. There are a group of users to whom 64-bit computing is essential -- this is the group to which Apple is marketing to.

I see no evidence that Apple is going after the workstation market (although I'm sure they will pick up some of them). They aren't after the people to whom 64-bit computing is important today, but the people to whom 64-bit computing will be important tomorrow.
 
Back to school?

I question this survey. A G5 is back to school item? MAYBE an iBook, certainly an iPod, but you could get 6 of the best iPods for one of the 1 of the best G5's. I don't think many Dells or Gateways get replaced with G5's, I think they get replaced with iMacs and iBooks.
 
Originally posted by ewinemiller
And here is where the cool is in the eye of the beholder comes in. My definition of cool is more around what can that tool or technology do to change or enhance my life. I tend to think things don't qualify as cool as much as ideas and applications.

To me the iPod is not cool, it's just an MP3 player. It's a very nice MP3 player. I have one and like it a lot, but there are hundreds on the market and there is nothing that makes it distinctly unique.

The iMac is pretty and has a distinctive look, but it's not cool. It would not offer a significantly different user experience than any other Mac I use. It changes nothing.

On the other hand the iTunes music store in my eyes is cool, it was the first implementation of that business model that made sense and worked. It offered convenience and quality above and beyond anything else and changed the way I buy music. It is why I bought an iPod.

To me for a technology company to change the way I live or work for the better is cool, Apple has done it, so has MS.

The point of the article was that kids think macs are cool. Kids couldn't care less about one hundred percent of the things you mentioned.

Moving on, I think Apple's smartest move was making their computers visually distinctive and... well, cool. If you see a FP iMac on CSI: Miami, you know it's an iMac. If you see a Dell whatever-name-their-marketing-department-sounded-like-it-would-appeal-to-certain-demographics, you have no idea that it's a dell, a Compaq, or anything else. That's better than a thousand of those G5 commericals, if you ask me.
 
Re: Back to school?

Originally posted by joelc
I question this survey. A G5 is back to school item? MAYBE an iBook, certainly an iPod, but you could get 6 of the best iPods for one of the 1 of the best G5's. I don't think many Dells or Gateways get replaced with G5's, I think they get replaced with iMacs and iBooks.

I have a PowerBook. Not an iBook. There's a reason for that.
 
Re: Re: Re: good news

Originally posted by Petit_Chout
My all-time favourite commercial is the one with the multi-coloured iMacs spinning around to the music of the Rolling Stones. There is something about that commercial that makes me sooo happy, even today.

I'm with you on that one. I don't know that the commercial was particularly popular, and have no idea whether it was even effective in selling more iMacs, but something about it is so appealing. Good music, perfect for the product, and in an ad that no computer maker but Apple would air.

Mac'em X
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Originally posted by crees!
24!... noooooooooooooo! Jack Bauer will never be able to catch the terrorists now because everyone will be using the PCs for Solitare. Then they'll crash on the final move. Bah.

If you watch the trailer for the upcoming season of "24", Jack Bauer has not only a 17" AluBook on his desk, but a G5 in the background of the scene as well.

Season 1 (!) of "24" just finished airing here in Germany (they're traditionally 1 to 2 years late on TV shows:mad: ), and they were using Macs all over the place.
 
So cool!

I dont think MS should worry about what kids think is cool. What kid you know has 2,000+ to shell out for a computer. Who cares what's cool if you cant afford it.
 
Set designers

The main reason why Apple gets so much product placement on TV and in movies is because of their industrial design. Set designers want to put Apple products on the set, because they look good.

I doubt that Apple has to give free machines to the shows. The set designers just want to use Apple's products.

It certainly helps Apple that their products are visually distinctive. A lot of viewer recognize the gear.

Most of the time, you don't get a good look at the screen, or the apps that are run are fake, and don't even look like real apps. For Apple, it doesn't matter too much if you don't see good onscreen displays.

It will be difficult for Microsoft to make any significant product placement. The only thing that would work would be to have a huge Microsoft logo floating on the screen.

Otherwise, the hardware is just generic, undifferentiated commodity PC gear. It is all interchangable, and mostly ugly. The only way Dell could get an effective product placement is to have a huge "DELL" name painted on.

Windows hardware product placement only benefits Microsoft second hand - ie. if someone says: "I love that ugly, generic Dell computer I saw on Show X", they'll probably get stuck with Windoze, because they're not smart enough to order it with Linux.
 
If this works as well as their "Trustworthy Computing" campaign then we've got reason to be scared.
 
I think most movies and tv programs show Macs because a lot of people in the production industry use Macs (certainly editors do!). Maybe it's because Macs were first with the graphical interface; maybe it's because of their ease-of-use and tight integration of features (hard to achieve in the uncontrolled PC world); maybe it's just because it's not Windows, whose earlier OS's looked like they were designed by accountants. Anyway, lots (NOT all) of creative people use Macs. Similarly, lots (NOT all) of Mac users tend to be creative. A machine, however, won't buy you creativity (rats!).

That said, I think anyone on "24" using a PC is probably a mole. And if M$ pays enough to get Jack Bauer to use XP, I just hope it's not as shameless as the Ford Focus logo closeups on "Alias"!

PS - You can also spot Macs on the Brit show "MI-5", which is shown on some cable channel or another.
 
Originally posted by ebow
Funny that they should mention the show "24." Last night I saw an ad for the new season, and in one scene a man of some importance (guessing he's a central character) was using either a PBG4 or an Apple display, in a clip just after that you could see him working on a PowerBook, and in the background was a very slightly out-of-focus G5. I don't watch the show (but the ads may have tempted me to give it a shot) so this may be nothing new...

I've only seen Season 1 of 24 on DVD. They had a mix of Dells and Macs. As a Mac user, it was easy to tell who the bad guys are... they were all using Dells.

SPOILER: We were able to use this to find out who the traitors were among the good guys. Whoops!

(Well, to be honest here, I'm also a Dell user.)

I guess it's the prop manager's fault. Bless him!

Nice to see Microsoft paying for product placement. I'm getting tired of seeing all these Macs on TV running Windows (every ad for Comcast, for example). About time there were some Mediacenter PCs and tablets on TV. I've been wondering what they're supposed to be used for for a while now.

take care,
 
Getting way off topic...

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Let me know if I'm wrong on this but don't you have to purchase this software spep? And it’s not really designed around the home consumer. The software is business oriented.

In the case of XP it’s built into the OS ready to use out of the box. In fact non XP systems, even Mac I believe as long as you are using a TSC, can remote control an XP system out of the box.

No, it is built into XP Pro out of the box. Though the client can be used from almost any version of Windows and even Mac OS X!

Yes, you have to purchase the software mentioned (Apple Remote Desktop). No, the software isn't business-oriented, it's mostly targeted toward mac labs and classrooms where an administrator/teacher's computer can remotely monitor multiple Macs and later marketed for business. The costs are quite reasonable ($300 for 10 clients, $500 for unlimited--note Apple's idea of a "client" is a server in the windows world because the usage is typically reversed in the above settings). When you consider that in the Windows world you need Windows NT4, Windows 2000 Server(?), or XP Pro for every machine that runs as a server... the costs don't scale nearly as well.

While I find your VB and ActiveX/COM examples apt (and telling too, this is partly why Windows is fundamentally insecure), I found the others poor examples of the strength of Microsoft products. (There are strengths... just not necessarily in the areas you mentioned.)

Your first example was done long before Microsoft stole the idea. Look up Norton pcAnywhere and Citrix who have had this feature for a long time. In fact, RDC/Terminal Services is your typical Microsoft tactic of using bundling + monopoly abuse. Nothing new here.

Any old Mac head can tell you that there has been Timbuktu around for ages to be in the exact same situation you mention. The difference is that Apple Remote Desktop is priced and marketed to a different market so as to not wipe such a five-star product out of business.

Personally, I use VNC which allows me to control my Linux servers from my Mac (many mac clients) (or my Palm) and remotely control my Macs and it supports Windows too. Heck there is a Mac version specific for the use case you mentioned. Total cost $0. Note you need to come up with another solution for file transfer (no problem... in the Mac world you can choose your poison: WebDAV, FTP, or AppleShare.

True, Apple doesn't implement ClearType since that's a trademarked term for subpixel rendering which Apple does implement. It's the "Medium - Best for Flat Panel" settings on your General preference pane. You can also do regular anti-aliasing and it seems to work in more situations than the Windows version. Again, not a good example.

If you think VB and COM are easy to write you should try AppleScript Studio and GUI scripting. Again you don't have to spring a single $ for the developer tools. Though I give you points because more of the features are exposed in COM than your typical AppleScript dictionary, of course it can be just as tricky to program as using someone's Cocoa library and all the good stuff from Microsoft has a nasty tendency not to be documented...

The SQL server is a bad example--talk to your DBA. Besides, I'm morally against using stored procedures because it locks you into a particular DB vendor, forces you to learn some obscure non standard SQL, and mixes data and application logic. Your example would be better served in a LAMP or MAMP platform. It sure costs a lot less to.

I agree totally with your VB + COM example. I'll add too that a lot of people are familiar with the Visual Studio development environment which adds a lot of value to this situation. However, the application you mention would be better served by running a Jabber client/server since it wouldn't require any coding, is free, and has no vendor or platform lock.

Take care,

terry
 
Remote desktop.

Here's a brief cost comparsion:
10 Mac OS X liscenses & 10-client remote desktop: $1,589.
10 copies of XP Pro upgrade (not full): $1,990.
 
Originally posted by drbyers
why would anybody buy a windows OS upgrade? lol.

Windows has upgrades!? I thought only downgrades are available for Windows
 
The Mac is Fresh, janu fa real!!

About Macs in advertising...love it but I think they've been a little soft lately. The G5 PowerMac ad is well below Apple's standards.
Of my favorite qoute "whats coming to you chico?" "The world, and everything in it!" Best believe I want no less than a commercial that signifies this about the PowerMac G5 or OS X Panther from Apple!

to bluebomber who said: "And also, not everyone is a power user. Most people simply buy computers to check email and surf the internet. So for those individuals 256 megs of ram is adequate, and 64-bit means nothing. If you can prove to these people that 64-bit will make these tasks faster, they may take interest, but spouting numbers and chip features means nothing."

I disagree. That statement regarding the average user buying just for Internet or emailing might have been valid in christmas 2000/2001 ~ hence the significant downfall in complete system purchases and significant uprise in component upgrades during the same turn. Games are becoming more sophisticated, faster and more involving for the "end user", however they're still just single threaded on average. However, since the last year alone your so called average user/buyer isn't just emailing or surfing on their computer (heck cell phones can do what most of them or doing that for), but they're setting up website, weblogs, P2P file sharing ALL of which can benefit significantly from 64-bit computing (CPUs and software). No longer is it just banks and government using SUN/Cisco Systems/IBM/SGI 64-bit applications some SOHOs now are in that need. Straight up & down, I must be the only person registered on this forum that can't setup a basic website. However, those that can probably use Apache, Perl, MySQL, etc to setup a database server much like the this one we're all participating in. And the beauty of OS X is that MySQL & Apache ships with it! XP Pro/Win2KPro will only allow up to 7 users max to connect to those servers (full install no add-ons) at a time; pathetic! I may need more facts, but I see a trend of a 40% increase of programmers worldwide, along with the average user doing more=hence the major purchases to higher speed/bandwidth hardware (that email or web surfing won't take advantage of)!

Baleeedat!

PS for the ever ongoing debate on PC vs. Mac......When you Macheads size & position your system wide windows, sorry, Finder, Safari, iTunes around your desktop when in use—you know have a favorite corner of where you have safari or iTunes—and when you log-off and another user logs on and changes where they’ll use those same apps on the desktop does it affect/show on your desktop when you log back on? I cant stand this in Win2K or XP Pro
 
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