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OK had a chance to calm down and look closer at this laptop. In terms of hardware it's quite nice, really thin and svelte. If I was in the pre-tablet era when I still had a MacBook Air, I'd easily choose this over the Air. The resolution is 2256x1504 (not 1080p like the article states), and at 13.5 is a huge screen as laptops go. Personally I like a bit lower resolution as it helps with scaling elements and the UI, this one sounds like it might hit the sweet spot. It has a touchscreen and surface pen support, nice. I'm not denying that writing on the screen might be a bit goofy, having to hold the lid open, but hey at least we have options. I'm all for options, so maybe I use the pen occasionally to sign a PDF file or markup a webpage, at least the option is there. Touchscreen I know I'll get a lot of naysayers, but I firmly believe a touchscreen on a laptop is awesome and would never go back to something primitive without a touchscreen.

Kaby Lake, nice. Windows hello, awesome. No C-usb, hmm. 14.5 hours of battery with a full desktop Proc? Wow, color me impressed. WinS isn't as bad of a failure as WinRT as at least 32bit apps can be converted through the app store, but I still think it's a huge gap and a huge mistake on MS' part. I see there is a free upgrade to full windows *temporarily*, nice but not good enough, and many consumers won't even realize this, or won't want to go to the trouble. Bezels look very nice, nicer than my wife's XPS13 with it's infinity bezels, which in reality have one gigantic bezel on the bottom. I could see my wife loving the MS laptop.

I still think it's overpriced. Not that the hardware isn't worth it, it's just that they are positioning it as a low cost student laptop and not a MacBook killer per se. If it had full windows on it, I could see the i7/8gb/256gb option being worth the $999, but at the $1599 for a WinRT, erm umm WinS laptop? Not so much. So overall I still predict it will fail, or at least Windows S will still fail. The laptop might survive as a niche product for those of use who like beautiful, luxurious Microsoft products and know how to install full windows onto it.
 
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The Mac book pro 13 inch is 1.49 CM thick and 3.02 pounds. That's the one this competes with.

I know the guy you replied to said "MacBook", and that implies Apple's 12 inch super light MacBook, but who really wants that core m processor? Yuck. There's no comparison there.
....how does it compete with the Macbook Pro?

It is almost exactly in line with the Macbook, down to the one port.
 
4/128 for 999$? The Macbook Air is 8/128 for the same price with a better screen and all the programs you could want.

And how grundulated is that fabric topper going to be in a year or two?

This is terrible.
Did you just call the TN, not-even-1080p MBA screen better than this VA panel with high PPI? The surface has a MBP quality display, not to be compared with the junk from 10 years ago in the MBA.
 
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On the materials and industrial design front, it looks like Microsoft nailed this. It's genuinely beautiful, and in a way that bucks several of the current design trends. It will catch people's eyes, and for good reason.

But it seems highly compromised when you get beyond that -- old ports, weird stripped-down OS, poor memory at the default price and very expensive upgrade pricing. It's almost like it's an unholy offspring of warring factions: those wanting a new, stylish, high-end offering, and those wanting a stripped-down educational offering. In short, while I love Microsoft's recent direction, I have yet to see a product from them that I actually want to buy. It will be interesting to see if others react differently.
 
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4/128 for 999$? The Macbook Air is 8/128 for the same price with a better screen and all the programs you could want.

And how grundulated is that fabric topper going to be in a year or two?

This is terrible.
The MBA does not have a better screen. The Surface laptops screen, or any surface device for that matter, is far better than the MBA display.
 
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My God that design is sexy, and the price is ridiculously cheap. I wonder with the PD hardware inside how long it'll be before someone gets full blown Windows running on it...

Sorry, but when Apple is neglecting its computer range, Microsoft is killing it every...... single..... year....!

Are you trolling? lol. this thing is an overpriced under stuffed POS.
 
512GB for local storage is the minimum standard for me. That requirement drives the cost of this product up significantly, which, along with other characteristics of the device, removes it as a viable option for me.

The ability for the end-user to upgrade the local storage after purchase may make it a worthwhile option for me, but that capability remains to be seen. I'll wait for the iFixit tear down.
 
If you bought the latest macbook pro with touch strip, you should absolutely be ashamed. Microsoft has such a beautiful and fast laptop starting at 999.99. It beats the newest macbook pro laptop in all aspects.....
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Windows 10 does not need more than 4 gb ram to run well.....
I am using 6.5GB with Chrome, Outlook and Jabber running. I would hate to see how this would do on a 4GB machine.
 
As much as I prefer Mac OS over Windows, the same could be said about Mac OS; no games, no superior hardware support, no flexibility/customization, etc.

I'm not switching anytime soon to Windows (despite having a dual boot Hackintosh) for my day to day tasks, but Windows 10 is actually a massive improvement over previous versions. I'm willing to bet you're still basing your opinions on Windows from the Win XP / Vista days.

Nope.
 
Ouch, 4GB ram laptop for $999. This makes the 2 year old MacBook Air look attractive, lol !!

Also, 'walled garden os' and c'ode builder'... these selling points do not go hand in hand.

I really like the premium hardware design, Windows machines really lack this, but pricing is way off.
 
....how does it compete with the Macbook Pro?
I've said this a million times, so why not one more: the specs.

The processor, ram, and SSD are right in line with the 13 inch pro pricing. Go on and configure them side by side. The MacBook 12 inch doesn't come close. The 13 inch is beat for beat the same, except the Surface has Kaby Lake and the next iteration of intel graphics.

It is almost exactly in line with the Macbook, down to the one port.

No, it really isn't. the MacBook has one USB-C port it. The MacBook Pro 13 inch has what, two USB-C?

The surface laptop has separate power, USB 3.0, mini display port, and surface dock port.
 
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What don't you like?

Really hate the finish on top (should just be fully metal), and the tapered design. 201 PPI is pretty low for a 2017 laptop, 4GB of ram is super low for a base model, its basically a pound heavier than the Macbook, and is almost the same weight as the TB MBP, with much weaker specs. Windows S sounds really lame, like you cant even download Chrome right? Unless you pay to get a full OS. So the price point honestly ends up evening out to Apple prices if you want it to have a full OS, 8gb of RAM and 256GB.

I'm by no means a PC hater, and I'd love to build one for gaming. But for a small portable laptop, with some kick in it, I'd go with Apple over this offering. Also that mouse looks brazy lol.
 
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I just don't understand spending $1000 for a laptop that only has 128GB of storage. Sure its solid state, but personally I'll take a slower HD for more space. Sure there is cloud storage, but I prefer my files to be on a personally owned device.

Plus, I don't know why they would target schools for a $1000 computer. I'm sure there is educational pricing, but most schools have tight budgets, so I don't see these appearing in schools all across the US.
 
It's so funny reading the posts here slap down this stunning new computer, and yet over in the MacBook Pro forum there are PLENTY of people complaining..

Oh the irony is palpable.. it truly is..

As for the comments anpbout alcantara.. well I guess if it's good enough for half a million pound and more supercar interiors and seats, it's good enough for Microsoft, you could you know, actually bother to clean it!
 
I love the look but who's idiotic idea was it to wrap it in Alcantara?! Sure it looks awesome brand new but that stuff is going to get ugly quick:

http://m.imgur.com/a/2rbFT

From:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/4zqwg8/signature_edition_keyboard_dirty/

This looks like some weird 70's decision like putting carpet on the walls. That laptop is gonna be so gross after a few months and impossible to clean.

It's amazingly resilient. Even the non alcantara on my SP4 keyboard is completely pristine, and after 1 1/2 years of very heavy use and abuse. You simply need a damp cloth and can wipe it down every few weeks to keep it looking perfect. Trust me I'm a slob, and use my SP4 while eating breakfast, wolfing down lunch because I only have 10 minutes, eating dinner, etc. It gets thrown into my work bag every day and slid around everywhere on my desk and office.
 
As for the comments anpbout alcantara.. well I guess if it's good enough for half a million pound and more supercar interiors and seats, it's good enough for Microsoft, you could you know, actually bother to clean it!
Well you've got me there, I'd love to use this laptop as a cushion for my butt.
 
ipad iOS has more apps than microsoft store for windows 10s, so Microsoft wants you to buy the windows 10 pro as well, so the battery will no longer be 14h, it will get a lot hotter than others macs and so on..
So you have 2 choices: stick with windows 10s and have a lot of compromises in apps but you have probably great battery
or buy win 10 pro and have less battery a lot of heat and another $$ add-on to the starting price
 
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