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If true, that would be great but I’m skeptical. We’ll find out at WWDC, I guess. Maybe any potential OpenAI and Gemini deal would simply be licensing their tech to process using the Apple Silicon Neural Engine.
Copilot is not simply one AI model. There are about 40 models. We do not know how many of them are OpenAIs.
 
"Apple is dying"

"Apple has their backs against the wall"

"Apple is in decline"

And then the stock price continues to go up and up.

I know people have been saying this for years it's almost a meme but I think most would admit that Apple are in a tricky spot at the moment. Whether it's the plethora of antitrust measures and regulation coming at them worldwide, declining iPhone sales, the general stagnation of product lines or Vision Pro's not so stellar launch, there's a general feeling that the steady period of product refinement delivering consistent growth over the past decade or so since the Steve Jobs era is coming to an end and some fresh thinking is needed. All eyes are on WWDC this year and if Apple can't pull something out of the hat to respond to its competitors on AI then have a look at that stock price.
 
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I’d rather Apple wait and get things right. Also, with all the pressure from shareholders to outperform on this AI stuff, they can’t afford to release something half-***ed.
Apple users do seem to use this narrative a lot to gaslight themselves. It's sort of effective in 2005, even up to 2015, but it can't work forever.

Meanwhile, other companies offer some things that their customers can use right away to better their lives and increase productivity, then continue to perfect and refine them every several months or even weeks.
 
True but it's the right answer. These new PCs are really for people who love Windows.
That's a fair point. But he muddied that potential message by claiming they're "going to outperform them [Apple]"—which would seem to open up their offering to an audience beyond just those who love Windows. Either way, it's good for them, good for the industry, and good for competition. 👍
 
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NGL, Windows 11 is a horrid and bloated OS which I have the misfortune of using it daily.

I just built a PC and gave a shot at W11, not doing it again! Ads right out of the gate. Yes it looks nicer than W10, but at the cost of all the bloat I had to deal with.

I just installed W10 and everything went much nicer. Still wanted me to get into office 365 every time on setup, but that was pretty much it.
 
Apple users do seem to use this narrative a lot to gaslight themselves. It's sort of effective in 2005, even up to 2015, but it can't work forever.

Forever? No idea. In 2024? Sure it can. It does work.


Meanwhile, other companies offer some things that their customers can use right away to better their lives and increase productivity, then continue to perfect and refine them every several months or even weeks.

And yet these things are nowhere near as great to use as Macs, iPhones and iPads. The half-baked AI solutions that we’re getting can be useful, but also the user experience is not thought out well, still. Let Apple cook - they were never first to the party, only the best. And I guarantee you - whatever they show this WWDC, others (especially Samsung) will copy.
 
Apple users do seem to use this narrative a lot to gaslight themselves. It's sort of effective in 2005, even up to 2015, but it can't work forever.

Meanwhile, other companies offer some things that their customers can use right away to better their lives and increase productivity, then continue to perfect and refine them every several months or even weeks.
Nothing works forever ;-) But we're not talking about forever, we're talking about an infinitesimal moment in time with one company amidst the span of history.

There may be some people with small attention spans who want instant features constantly delivered but that sounds like a mess for good planning, software/hardware design, not to mention marketing and business.

Maybe you can give us some examples of successful software/hardware companies who deliver new features "right away" (every few months or weeks) to resounding success? I'll keep an open mind if you come up with some good ones.

EDIT: I would add that if customers need these new features "right away" (every few weeks or months) to increase their productivity, they probably aren't using their current tools very effectively.
 
Man, with other tech companies pulling out AI magic at every big event, at this point WWDC is either going to be mind-blowingly amazing... or a massive disappointment if Apple turns out to be behind the curve on AI again.

I really hope for the former. 🤞
They have too because they’re getting leapfrogged by the competition at all fronts. No incremental update is going to turn the tide this time. I’ve never seen a big company with so much cash and manpower at hand being so slow in refreshing their products. Hope the infinite pipeline from Tim will bring longtime light for the Apple society.
 
Apple users do seem to use this narrative a lot to gaslight themselves. It's sort of effective in 2005, even up to 2015, but it can't work forever.

Meanwhile, other companies offer some things that their customers can use right away to better their lives and increase productivity, then continue to perfect and refine them every several months or even weeks.

That’s cute but none of this stuff from MS is bettering my life or increasing my productivity. It’s just clippy 2.0. An annoyance more than help.

This whole AI bubble craze will pop eventually when the market figures out it’s not helping anyone besides the tech companies selling the nonsense.

Have to give the market time. It’s a silly thing. I remember when it was betting on 6 rate cuts this year. I laughed then. But it was serious. Don’t question the nonsense. Still have to make money.

Don’t fight the fed. And right now don’t fight the AI nonsense either. Tim learned this though took him longer than most tech.
 
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Well as others have said Windows 11 is still a bag of wonky jank and likely doesn't do these new Surface machines justice (just as iPadOS is a bag of gimp given the hardware).

I really hope MS really focuses on straightening out the wonk from it's platform because I would seriously welcome a true competing platform to Apple's... the folks that wouldn't of course are those heavily invested in AAPL
 
Recall looks quality if it works

No thanks! "AI" is just the latest con to hoover up user data.

Recall not a security risk! At all.


This would be where I would say thank God I'm using MacOS and I will wait till apple implements the most useful of these features in a privacy centric way....except we just found out apple doesn't delete our data either because it can return photos deleted from 2017. I mean we still dont' have an official response from Apple. This kind of thing has me pretty down on the entire tech industry at a time when I feel like younger me would be more excited about such advancements in tech.

Also will take a moment to say we keep calling this AI, I guess maybe but this is basically machine learning. Which we've had for years it's just moved on to be more advanced and more widely available.
 
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Well, we all saw it coming since Qualcomm announced the new Snapdragon X Elite chips. Here are some of my inputs.

We still have to see whether the new laptops will deliver on its promises. I am always skeptical, but the Qualcomm new looks promising.

Qualcomm took too long to release decent PC chips. It has been releasing crappy chips before Apple released the M1. It took over 3 years (almost 4) for Qualcomm to catch up (we will have to check that), which is a shame considering it has an agreement with Microsoft for a long time right now.

The new laptops have not been widely tested yet. I want to see both performance and battery life, whether they are on par with Apple or not. Microsoft announces it as being faster than M3, but says no word about the Pro and Max variants. We will see when we have third party reviews.

The only thing that makes me less skeptical is the fact that Apple rushed the M4 with the new iPad Pro just before the Microsoft event. It was strange that Apple released the M4 so shortly after the M3 and with the iPad line while Macs are still stuck with the M3. Now it makes sense. Apple decided to have a new chip launched probably because it was afraid the Qualcomm chip would outclass the M3.

Intel is not going to stand still. Let us see what it comes up with this year. If it does nothing and Qualcomm delivers, Intel is doomed.
 
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That’s why there are the rumors they are partnering up at least at first.

Apple can easily have the infrastructure and data over time to transition to its own solution down the line.
I thought Apple wasn't even trying and was just licensing somebody else's AI models?
 
Watt for watt their neural engine and GPUs outperform Nvidia. If Apple’s chips consumed as much as a high end Nvidia chip it would have monstrous performance and if they had cloud computing services Jensen Huang would be forced to sell his douche bag leather jacket collection.
A pointless hypothetical because they likely can't consume that much power even if they wanted to.
 
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the tech industry has allowed itself to become an arm of the money laundering and surveillance sectors.

Long, long ago ATT had been co-opted by the NSA, so surveillance has been around since before you were born.

The internet and television was supposed to expand education for all.
Television was an experimental project intended to sell televisions. And while it is true that some societies, such as the UK, intended for some television to be educational (see the BBC), very early on in television the mode of operation became one of commercial sponsorship. Back when nearly all TV sets were to be found in the US, tobacco companies and household goods companies became vital to revenues. This carried over a tradition from radio.

The internet grew out of the ARPANET and was designed to be a survivable information infrastructure for the US in the cold war. Once more and more universities became nodes and UUCP allowed inventions like USENET, ways for mere citizens to pass around both useful and useless posts.

The current frenzy for AI in the business world follows a long tradition of tobacco companies, Big Oil, and other nefarious actors to control the world.

This is not new.
 
A pointless hypothetical because they likely can't consume that much power even if they wanted to.

They don’t want to. The core design philosophy Jobs instilled in Apple was Zen. To use as little natural resources as possible with the biggest and most inspirational impact.

That’s the opposite of that leather jacket asshat conman Jensen Huang who doesn’t giving a flying **** how much energy or ewaste his GPUs consume or how fake his benchmark charts are.
 
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