Excuse me but Apple claims iPhone is not a general computing device. So they could get away without antitrust lawsuite.
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Excuse me but Apple claims iPhone is not a general computing device. So they could get away without antitrust lawsuite.
They can claim whatever they want but the iPhone, iPad, Mac are all general computing devices just in different form factors. The iPhone, and by extension the modern smartphone, is the defacto computer for the vast majority of home computing users.
It’s funny that people claim Apple is behind on AI, and then the areas they are lagging in include literal spyware (Microsoft including the ability to log everything you do on your laptop) and outright theft (openAI stealing Scarjo’s voice). Not to mention to massive increase in electricity consumption.
It’s almost as though people have no idea what they are talking about and just want to bash Apple for the sake of bashing Apple.
It’s almost as though people have no idea what they are talking about and just want to bash Apple for the sake of bashing Apple.
no i dont profile stalk ...Discussion.
The fact that there is a thriving healthy forum for ios alternative devices should tell you something.
I'm a Snr Service Desk technician so I work with macOS & Windows and have for over 17yrs at very large fortune 500 companies, so I have a vested interest in both OS' and companies. The Apple IIe was the 2nd comouter I've ever used and with just 2mths with the Pet, a double-sided floppy from my Dad's friend brought immediate joy to an entire class (teacher included) of 8yrs olds all of whom barely played asteroids, Galaga and similar arcade games.
I've been a member on these boards for many years and dialogue is fun, interesting and insightful, not to mention educational - all much more than a few other boards but not by much.
You're trying to alienate and discredit my reason or right to being here just cause of the device I personally choose to use shows you have a LOT to learn on the reasons I've listed in the paragraph directly above. I'll bet you didn't even bother to look at my profile before you quoted above.
Cheers enjoy your narrow view of others in this world if it serves you keep on keeping on. Yet the world is vast and by a magnitude so are people, growth and happiness could await you expanding your demonstrated view. I wish on many things Apple would, after all it took 8yrs for Craig to go back on the Bumping for sharing contacts narrow view vagued insult he demonstrated
but your list of hardware in your tag line shows no Apple products, hence I questioned why you are here.
I too have done tech support on both platforms and go back to 80s computing... so I disagree with your "narrow view" statement. you made a huge assumption there
as for discussion, your comment was purely designed to get responses not add to discussion...
Or they could make it not boring by giving us actual feature updates!Well maybe you can be guest WWDC speaker and ditch that in the key features...
People maybe like a visual to relieve the boredom?
The people who comment normally make out Apple only new features are Emojis.
They announce their support for them.
But pundits lampoon them for their fast support.
Guess you cant please everyone...
Okay, I was curious whether the Snapdragon-based system would have the same system-on-a-chip type limitations as Apple Silicon (e.g.: no adding RAM later, no external GPU), and whether their upgrade pricing would validate Apple's (e.g.: the issue of whether Apple's notorious RAM and SSD upgrade pricing is price gouging or at least in RAM's case necessitated by higher cost with the SOC platform).
I've been looking at some of these upcoming products on pre-order status online. I didn't notice external GPUs, so I'm guessing integrated graphics? I don't see 'build-to-order' configurators, but at least Microsoft has the Surface line with a variety of pre-configured options.
Let’s build your new Surface
Good, because by comparing the listings we can see what upgrades cost. Here's what it looks to me like some upgrade options cost.
1.) Cheapest base has 16-gig RAM and 256-gig SSD around a grand.
2.) Increase SSD to 512-GB costs extra $200.
3.) Upgrading from LCD to OLED and Snapdragon X Plus to Snapdragon X Elite costs extra $300. (I don't see the option to do just one of those).
4.) Increasing SSD from 512-GB to 1TB costs extra $200.
5.) Increasing RAM from 16-gig to 32-gig costs extra $400.
Note: Much like with car trims, I think you have to pick a package of features. I don't see an option for a Snapdragon X Plus with 256-GB SSD but RAM upgraded to 32-gig, for example.
Let's see what Apple's site wants for upgrades on a 14" MacBook Pro (with the base M3Pro, since that's the middle processor option).
1.) Going from 18 to 36-gig RAM is $400. That's an 18-gig jump.
2.) Going from 512-gig SSD to 1TB is $200.
With a base M3 MacBook Air, going from 256 to 512-GB SSD is $200.
One thing I don't recall seeing with these Snapdragon-based notebooks is the option for SSD capacities > 1TB, at least not with the MicroSoft Surface. Apple does give that option (and man, do they charge for it! But at least the option is there...).
If Snapdragon ARM-based Windows notebooks have roughly the same upgrade costs as Apple's MacBook/MacBook Pro line, that's good to know.
I was hoping they'd be a lot cheaper and pressure Apple to cut upgrade costs, though.
I've been looking at some of these upcoming products on pre-order status online. I didn't notice external GPUs, so I'm guessing integrated graphics? I don't see 'build-to-order' configurators, but at least Microsoft has the Surface line with a variety of pre-configured options.
Let’s build your new Surface
Good, because by comparing the listings we can see what upgrades cost. Here's what it looks to me like some upgrade options cost.
1.) Cheapest base has 16-gig RAM and 256-gig SSD around a grand.
2.) Increase SSD to 512-GB costs extra $200.
3.) Upgrading from LCD to OLED and Snapdragon X Plus to Snapdragon X Elite costs extra $300. (I don't see the option to do just one of those).
4.) Increasing SSD from 512-GB to 1TB costs extra $200.
5.) Increasing RAM from 16-gig to 32-gig costs extra $400.
Note: Much like with car trims, I think you have to pick a package of features. I don't see an option for a Snapdragon X Plus with 256-GB SSD but RAM upgraded to 32-gig, for example.
Let's see what Apple's site wants for upgrades on a 14" MacBook Pro (with the base M3Pro, since that's the middle processor option).
1.) Going from 18 to 36-gig RAM is $400. That's an 18-gig jump.
2.) Going from 512-gig SSD to 1TB is $200.
With a base M3 MacBook Air, going from 256 to 512-GB SSD is $200.
One thing I don't recall seeing with these Snapdragon-based notebooks is the option for SSD capacities > 1TB, at least not with the MicroSoft Surface. Apple does give that option (and man, do they charge for it! But at least the option is there...).
If Snapdragon ARM-based Windows notebooks have roughly the same upgrade costs as Apple's MacBook/MacBook Pro line, that's good to know.
I was hoping they'd be a lot cheaper and pressure Apple to cut upgrade costs, though.
No sorry my comment was directly to you and you alone.no i dont profile stalk ...
but your list of hardware in your tag line shows no Apple products, hence I questioned why you are here.
I too have done tech support on both platforms and go back to 80s computing... so I disagree with your "narrow view" statement. you made a huge assumption there
as for discussion, your comment was purely designed to get responses not add to discussion...
My previous signature did have the folowing.
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iPhone 3GS, 4, 4s, 5, 5s, 6s (x3), 7 (x2), X returned for the 8, iPhone 12 mini and 13 mini I was VERY vocal on those threads.
MBP 2008, 2012, 2016 models. Dog Tags for Panther OS X official launch which I attended in person. Old posts still have those various items in signature. checking one's profile to see former posts before placing a person in any specific way isn't stalking - its being informed that's why it is there publicly availble to all members (aside from paying members).
And your initial negativity coming from someone whom also works on both platforms since the 80's is even weaker than my previous presumption. You stating to get responses shows pure weakness even further. sigh.
I'm too sexy for this argument (that is a sentence for responses or like-emojis)!
Looking at the concern over the recall feature right now, I am thinking that Apple could actually come out ahead by simply not doing anything. Are these features announced by Microsoft actually desired by anyone here? They seem more intended to appeal to investors rather than actually being useful to the end user.
Well co-creator seems nice. I would not be using Recall like feature, probably, if Apple released it. (I do not have a Windows device). Live captions is good and hopefully Apple releases something similar. Also, I am sure summarizations and other generative features will be picked up by Apple too.
MS has APIs for the models and they are open to all developers. So, entertainment apps such as video players will be able to use them. So, they can generate captions for any video that is played by a video player. Since majority of the video players in Windows are free, this is good. Video editing software such as CapCut and Davinci Resolve (to name a few) will be able to take advantage of the NPU and speed up AI tasks. So, quite a few useful features. Hope Apple also keeps these features available to all for free (at least AS devices because they have NPUs) whereas MS had to limit them to Copilot+ AI PCs only.
Was just waiting to see if anyone would get that. The first 20 comments were just whining about Windows 11 and it's bloat which really is irrelevant. Do I want to work on a device that captures *everything* I do, has an AI companion to actually go through it all (as it needs to if the search feature should work) and then send only the interesting bits to Microsoft (or whoever) for further use? Not to mention what happens when Lockbit and other crypto software manage to crack it and use it to extract only the interesting pieces reducing the time to cause maximum damage with minimum effort. They really haven't thought this through.
Recall & Cocreator = I’ll skip, Microsoft. I like my privacy and prefer to create images without AI.
The thing is I bet there's still some old legacy features of Windows in there still. Four decades worth of different GUI screens in there. If they updated all of it to look modern including the registry editor etc then that'd be fine.
I mean, can you name a file CON in ARM Windows?
It sounds useful to me. But the feature is optional so for people who are concerned just turn it off.
Incorrect assumption. Having everything integrated not only improves quality and performance but makes recycling easier. The majority of PC derived ewaste that litters the world and pollutes the rivers and landfills is from removable components, not from integrated systems.
‘This is not new’ is always the worst thing to say about a problem. It’s like saying **** and accept it. Offer a solution, even if it requires anger and protest.
When there are all these Lenovo, Acer, Asus, Samsung, Dell, HP (and more) joining in with MS, it would naturally become a success. All of them came up with copilot+ laptops, means that together they'd achieve success. While they compete with each other on the device market, they are like-minded on the OS, and the chip(s)
They aren't for the same thing on Apple devices? Apple literally started this. Windows is copying Apple Local secure enclave holding the data. Level of access is anyone's guess right now.
Windows 11 Recall is Not a Privacy Concern
Sitting in the audience as Microsoft unveiled a new Windows 11 feature called Recall, I predicted the reaction we're now seeing.
www.thurrott.com
This is how Siri works on Apple devices. So same worries? This isn't something new Apple did it first they just didn't advertise it the same way. How do you think Siri Suggestions work? How do you think FaceID learns who you are when you have a hat/sunglasses on?
This is also coming soon.Windows 11 Recall is Not a Privacy Concern
Sitting in the audience as Microsoft unveiled a new Windows 11 feature called Recall, I predicted the reaction we're now seeing.
Windows 11 to Deprecate NTLM, Add AI-Powered App Controls and Security Defenses
Microsoft has announced several new security features to strengthen Windows 11, including deprecating the NT LAN Manager (NTLM).
thehackernews.com
You'd be saying the same stuff, if Apple would give an equivalent to copilot+? Or, is it because Apple can't atm?