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It’s basically Windows Vista 64 bit with a skin, new drivers and Direct X 12.

Every Windows OS in the last 20 years has just been a reskin like that. Many of the admin apps haven’t even been reskinned since Windows XP.
It is not. Please review proper literature like the Windows Internals book series before spreading misinformation.

Which, by the way, is something that Microsoft provides since the the days of Windows NT (then it was called Inside Windows NT) and which goes into details that would be hard to find publicly for macOS.
 
I'm surprised I don't see more alarm about the "Recall" feature. I remember hearing about a startup that tried something similar on the Mac and everyone went nuts about potential privacy violations.

I suppose they already could, but do people really want a rewindable record of everything they've seen and done on their computer? Maybe. Do they want Microsoft to have that record?
 
Currently my work uses GitHub CoPilot for our IDEs and it's wonderful.

As far as Surface goes, my last work Laptop was a Surface Laptop 3, a lot of us got them. They were so terrible that my work no longer offers them. Worst laptop I've ever used by a mile.
 
I get we are all Apple customers here, but those who are saying we don't need AI, etc, are wrong. AI isn't some hype thing that will go away. I already use AI nearly every day at work or at home. Hopefully Apple finally understands this and can allocate resources and focus to catching up. They wasted a lot of time trying to build an electric car and now they find themselves behind in the AI revolution.

We'll see what WWDC brings.
 
I'm surprised I don't see more alarm about the "Recall" feature. I remember hearing about a startup that tried something similar on the Mac and everyone went nuts about potential privacy violations.

I suppose they already could, but do people really want a rewindable record of everything they've seen and done on their computer? Maybe. Do they want Microsoft to have that record?
Recall is all locally stored, they addressed this in the presentation.
 


Microsoft today announced the launch of new Windows PCs that have integrated AI hardware, called Copilot+ PCs. According to Microsoft, the Copilot+ PCs are the fastest PCs "ever built" with all-day battery life, chips capable of 40 trillion operations per second, and "access to the most advanced AI models."


The new machines are designed with "AI at the center," introducing experiences that can be run directly on device to cut down on latency and improve privacy.
  • Recall - Recall gives the PC a "photographic memory" so users can access anything they've seen or done on their PC. Content can be located using timelines across any website, application, or document, with support for snapshots.
  • Cocreator - Text prompts can be used to generate new images using the neural processing units of the computer. Art can be created based on the text input, and there is a creativity slider to choose from a range between more literal to more expressive.
  • Restyle Image - Combines image generation and photo editing. Pre-set styles can be used to change the background, foreground, or full image.
  • Live Captions - Live Captions support live translations and can turn any audio that passes through the PC into a single, English-language caption experience in real time across all apps. Any live or pre-recorded audio in any app or video platform can be translated from 40 languages into English.
  • Quick Settings - In Windows Studio Effects, the Quick Settings option cleans up video with automatic image adjustments for videos calls to mitigate low-light or add filters.
All Copilot+ PCs include a "powerful AI agent" that can be accessed with a single tap on the Copilot key. There is an AI interface that will support the latest models such as OpenAI's GPT-4o.

Microsoft claims that the Copilot+ PCs outperform the 15-inch MacBook Air by up to 58 percent in sustained multithreaded performance, while also offering longer battery life. Microsoft says the battery is able to last for up to 15 hours of web browsing or 22 hours of local video playback, beating the MacBook Air.

The new Microsoft Surface Pro and Surface Laptop are some of the first Copilot+ PCs, and ASUS, Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo, and Samsung have also introduced Copilot+ PCs. The new PCs are available today and are priced starting at $999.

Article Link: Microsoft Debuts New Copilot+ Windows PCs Designed Around AI

The battery life claims are impressive, and the live captions could be useful. Recall sounds like a potential improvement with on-device searching.. On-device search is the one area that could use improvement on pretty much every OS/device out there.

The rest? Nothing worth buying a new computer for. Especially one running W11...

The entire tech industry is officially out of ideas, and really really wants AI to be important selling point.. all the hype.

Sigh.
 
When it comes to the traditional PC (laptops / desktops), you're right. But on mobile, the world runs on Android and iOS. Even iPadOS has a user base of 400+ million users.
What are you getting at exactly? Android dominates globally on mobiles, with or without tablets in the mix.
 
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I wouldn't expect much. Apple needs to keep iPadOS a thing to protect App Store revenue. Loading macOS onto an iPad means users would be able to download things outside the App Store.
Just give me a working version of finder and I will happy :)
 
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I'm surprised I don't see more alarm about the "Recall" feature. I remember hearing about a startup that tried something similar on the Mac and everyone went nuts about potential privacy violations.

I suppose they already could, but do people really want a rewindable record of everything they've seen and done on their computer? Maybe. Do they want Microsoft to have that record?
You and me both. I called it a privacy nightmare above and I’ve seen maybe one more post mentioning that. But seriously. A catalog of your entire computer use. One malicious actor (or nosy person) and suddenly your whole life is up in smoke. And how does it avoid cataloging sensitive information others shouldn’t see (talking like when bank account numbers might be visible on an account management screen).

Just not good.
 
I think they are charging you $500 for the OLED option with the SP10. Maybe you get some more disk space. Not sure.

Anyways, there's some questions about this stuff. One is the Arm port for Windows, which may put the kibosh on the experience. Nevertheless, as others mention, the translation potential for this crap is huge.

I don't care if it watches what I do. Others may have great fear of that. I've got other worries, that the least of them.
 
Recall is all locally stored, they addressed this in the presentation.

Sure, so were peoples' photos that everyone is going nuts about in the other thread.

The fact that an established system exists to create and access these recordings means it's possible to access them.

Lots of telemetry data is locally stored, and uploaded to Microsoft.

And the enterprise version of this can likely be stored on a central local server (just speculation but makes sense.)
 
From Microsoft’s website:

What privacy controls does Recall offer?
Recall is a key part of what makes Copilot+ PCs special, and Microsoft built privacy into Recall’s design from the ground up. On Copilot+ PCs powered by a Snapdragon® X Series processor, you will see the Recall taskbar icon after you first activate your device. You can use that icon to open Recall’s settings and make choices about what snapshots Recall collects and stores on your device. You can limit which snapshots Recall collects; for example, you can select specific apps or websites visited in a supported browser to filter out of your snapshots. In addition, you can pause snapshots on demand from the Recall icon in the system tray, clear some or all snapshots that have been stored, or delete all the snapshots from your device.

Recall also does not take snapshots of certain kinds of content, including InPrivate web browsing sessions in Microsoft Edge. It treats material protected with digital rights management (DRM) similarly; like other Windows apps such as the Snipping Tool, Recall will not store DRM content.

Note that Recall does not perform content moderation. It will not hide information such as passwords or financial account numbers. That data may be in snapshots that are stored on your device, especially when sites do not follow standard internet protocols like cloaking password entry.
 
Anyone going to order one, and which model?

P.S. Know that it's Arm Windows, first of all. In other words, it's the new SP X, that no one wanted.
 
I really hope for the latter. I despise "AI" and don't really want it forced upon me. The way things are going it sounds like that's exactly what the industry wants to do; shove this down everyone's throat.
yup, my thoughts exactly.

The funny thing is, most definitely the "average" consumer and then some more are NOT ASKING for it, it's the current Wall Street hype that is driving this ...
 
I get we are all Apple customers here, but those who are saying we don't need AI, etc, are wrong. AI isn't some hype thing that will go away. I already use AI nearly every day at work or at home. Hopefully Apple finally understands this and can allocate resources and focus to catching up. They wasted a lot of time trying to build an electric car and now they find themselves behind in the AI revolution.

We'll see what WWDC brings.

We don't need A.I. like we didn't need the 'abominations' that were phablet-sized phones... until Apple rolled out theirs... and then we gushed and oooooh and ahhhhhhed and bought them like we all suddenly had pants with bigger pockets and man purses. And WOW.... how those one-handed-use hands magically grew to make bigger iPhones no problem at all.

Rule #6 of the fandom: ye shall hateth any innovation before your Lord offers it themselves... then- after your Lord offers the same- pretend you never posted any such contempt and let it be a key reason you sling to all to buy, buy, buy! ;)
 
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