Microsoft Debuts New Copilot+ Windows PCs Designed Around AI

[robvalentine]

Didn't apple trial re all with the reappearing photos on ios 17.5? Maybe apple will actually let you delete photos now lol

 

[icanhazmac]

Please link any post of mine lauding Apple's, or any, AI, I'll wait.

If you are going to try and catch people in a "gotcha" moment then at least do your homework. I have never voiced praise for any "AI" so I don't care for you implying I did.

I definitely appreciate your nonsensical baseless accusations and logical fallacy style rhetoric that creates meaningless discussion. I don't agree with anyone scanning things with AI, including Apple. Microsoft's telemetry is infinitely worse than Apple's nonsense. Microsoft is pretty blatantly open with how terrible they are, at least. Apple is more secretive, so there's no telling how bad it is. You're also kidding yourself if you think anything is staying local in Windows.

Looks like @Stromos is 0 for 2 trying to "gotcha" people.

 

[c84216]

I tire of people saying win 11 chokes blah blah. On my pc it has proved itself to be stable and fast (my pc is far quicker than my studio ultra). I don’t love windows and use it as a tool to get things done, but it works just as well as macOS for me.

That’s nice. I’m glad it works for you.

I use W11 in the enterprise environment on a tricked out Dell laptop and it’s completely sluggish, far more so than it was on 10. What do you want me to do? Lie?

 

[Remy149]

I wouldn't expect much. Apple needs to keep iPadOS a thing to protect App Store revenue. Loading macOS onto an iPad means users would be able to download things outside the App Store.

It would more likely lead to more things becoming web apps

 

[davepete]

are those Intel or QCOM chips? gotta be one or the other ...
and as for the mentioned "feature" - no thank you

I believe everything announced today uses Qualcomm's new Snapdragon X Elite (or the X Plus). This is QCOM's first Nuvia Oryon chipset.

 

[brofkand]

And the AVP distraction has not helped Apple either.

The AVP is paralleling Newton in so many ways.

 

[ttyRazor]

The keyboard is really interesting that Microsoft released….which is something we need from Apple...a combined Magic Keyboard + Trackpad that can connect to anything (Mac, iPad, Vision Pro, etc…)

Give it Touch ID for Macs and non-pro iPads and let it switch between devices as easily as AirPods are supposed to and it’d be perfect.

 

[brofkand]

Sure because it’s Apple lawyers who develop the software.

With the quality of Apple's software these days, lawyers would be an improvement. Have you tried finding a setting in System Settings on a Mac without giving up and using the search bar?

 

[Macaholic868]

Unless they’ve rewritten Windows 11 from the ground up it’s SSDD. Same S#&! Different Day. Let’s see them go a quarter without putting out a Windows Update that doesn’t break a part of the OS for a good chunk of the install base. Then we’ll talk…

 

[cpct0]

"AI not necessary": it's only algorithms ... there's a reason why Siri sucked for the past years, and funnily why the last 3 years worth of Apple devices have a NPU. I love searching for a term in my 100k pictures and the text or object I am looking for appearing. I cannot wait for latest FCPX because the current algorithms for FCPX time scaling totally suck compared to competition. And so on!
"Better battery&performance": I cannot wait! Most Win10 options need to be disabled for my work PC "craptop" that has 1hr battery life and a whizzing ever-open fan only to allow "Windows Search". Coworker's desktop replacements require a minimum of 60W to be plugged in USB-C, and 300 whopping watts for discrete GPU that doesn't go close to the latest iPad. I also love the latest iPad putting the latest 900K Intel in a position where they only win due to massive power consumption while the other one is on a freaking fanless book-thin slab.
Honestly, I've always been and will always be for giants competing against themselves. Since M1 came out, AMD and Intel have seen the writings on the wall, and they are reacting accordingly. Likewise, ARC for Intel is a direct work to improve their rightfully lauded integrated GPUs drivers and performance. AMD are improving their historically bad performance per watt by leaps. Qualcomm are in a do-or-die for their performance chips in a world where China are getting their own CPUs, Samsung and Apple work hard for their in-house offerings.
So... Yay!

 

[Realityck]

Fair play to Microsoft it's a good idea. It'd be nice if they dropped ALL the Windows legacy support and created a modern AI baked Windows OS from scratch. There's just SO much legacy junk in Windows for the enterprise sector it's insane.

They've got stuff in that back end that still behaves the way it did in MS-DOS times to prevent breaking compatibility. I know that is needed for some business - but how about a Windows Classic/Business/Professional etc that has all that legacy support baked in - and a lean, modern OS for the average user or new business startup that doesn't need all the legacy support but wants a modern fast OS?

Even though you can enable the CoPilot preview for free in win 11, MS is really trying to convince you of a $20 a month subscription for CoPilot Pro. That will be quite different from whats bundled into Apple's upcoming OS's at WWDCC 2024.

 

[Squirrrrel]

With the quality of Apple's software these days, lawyers would be an improvement. Have you tried finding a setting in System Settings on a Mac without giving up and using the search bar?

Although the Settings menu is now a mess, the best thing to ever happen to macOS is having instant access to every setting on the entire computer with the Spotlight search bar. I have no reason to ever try and find a macOS setting without the search bar now. But yeah, it looks like Apple threw a grenade at the previous System Settings UI.

 

[cycomiko]

and likely barely able to run an iteration of teams.

 

[MrMaxwell]

New Windows releases are just XP dressed up, while new macOS releases are just OSX dressed up...

But: OSX rocked and XP sucked hard

Am I wrong?

 

[ttyRazor]

I don't think that's really true. They half-assedly tried it with Windows RT 12 years ago, half-assedly tried it again with a single product (Surface Pro X) in 2022, and haven't really done anything other than that.

This has widespread industry support out of the gate, and major apps like Chrome and Spotify have begun releasing ARM versions of their software in the last 2 years.

They’d probably still be struggling with it if Apple hadn’t shown them that the way to get everyone excited about ARM adoption was to beat the pants off of previous intel models, not just make a low end budget also-ran like every other time.

 

[DFZD]

CoPilot is just an interface to ChatGPT. So in that sense this product line just reminds me of Rabbit and Steve Jops' Golden Words to Dropbox's Founder - "This is just a feature, not a product."

 

[Tuck_]

It's an enticing offering but the prices, at least in Canada, are way too high. Might as well just get a MacBook Air instead for just a little bit more.

Their ram prices are also absurd. Sorry Microsoft, you aren't apple.

 

[Corefile]

Microsoft has always acted like this. Remember back int he '90s when "push technology" was all the rage and they had to shoehorn Active Desktop into windows before PointCast ate their lunch?

I remember they installed that PointCast trash on our 200mhz Pentium desktops back in 1997. OMG what a piece of junk.

 

[pdoherty]

Am I seeing right, of all the systems being released, only 1 from ASUS has a 40+ NPU TOPS and that requires dual-fan cooling…



Whereas every M4 iPad Pro made offers 38+ NPU TOPS. Which doesn’t mean much more than they, just like Intel, have to juice their processors wattage to come within the range of Apple’s performance per watt. I believe that competition is good, but only if the competition… competes.

If they outperform the Apple while getting better battery life who cares who is getting the most power per watt?

 

[Cesar Battistini]

Apple really needs to use Time Machine with iCloud, and do something similar to this.

 

[Cesar Battistini]

You literally described power per watt hahahahahah

 

[iObama]

They’d probably still be struggling with it if Apple hadn’t shown them that the way to get everyone excited about ARM adoption was to beat the pants off of previous intel models, not just make a low end budget also-ran like every other time.

Haha, that's probably true! Regardless, I'm excited that PC laptops won't be so damn hot with terrible battery life.

Competition is a good thing!

 

[SVTmaniac]

Apple had recall first! We have been recalling all our deleted photos ever since 17.5.

 

[brofkand]

New Windows releases are just XP dressed up, while new macOS releases are just OSX dressed up...

But: OSX rocked and XP sucked hard

Am I wrong?

The releases of OS X before Snow Leopard were riddled with bugs and inconsistent UI issues.

Windows XP was rather stable in my experience.

To me, OS X Snow Leopard and Windows 7 were the pinnacle of desktop operating systems. Apple has been spinning their wheels since.

 

[actcyclist]

Used windows for work since 1995. I spend a lot of time looking for things saved in various “my computer” files and network files and now AI might help except I’ll be retired and don’t care.