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Microsoft Debuts New Copilot+ Windows PCs Designed Around AI

Am I seeing right, of all the systems being released, only 1 from ASUS has a 40+ NPU TOPS and that requires dual-fan cooling…

The ASUS Vivobook S 15 is a powerful device that brings AI experiences to life with its Snapdragon X Elite Platform and built-in Qualcomm® AI. It boasts 40+ NPU TOPS, a dual-fan cooling system.
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Whereas every M4 iPad Pro made offers 38+ NPU TOPS. Which doesn’t mean much more than they, just like Intel, have to juice their processors wattage to come within the range of Apple’s performance per watt. I believe that competition is good, but only if the competition… competes.
 
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I’ll wait to see real life review and impressions, but I’ll probably this one to replace my Surface Pro 8. My Surface Pro is my main productivity device, and an OLED and the new ARM CPUs should be welcome improvements. I’d get the iPad Pro instead, but until it gets a real laptop level OS that you can use when connected to a keyboard and a mouse, it will be nothing more than a secondary device for content consumption for me.
 
Having worked with Microsoft for years, I will use my native built in "I" (no A required) hardware to translate this:

Microsoft today announced launch of new Windows PCs that have integrated AI hardware, called Copilot+ PCs. According to reality, the Copilot+ PCs are mediocre PCs with an over-stated battery life, chips capable of 40 trillion operations per second until they get to 30 degrees with access to the most advanced but completely useless AI models. They will have new privacy violating features, feature the lowest repairability and reliability of any hardware, have a button which is entirely useless and completely forgone any real product improvements to tack this on the side badly to the crumbling pile of excrement that is windows.

Most windows users want MSFT to stop breaking things and fix all the broken stuff.
 
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AHDuke99 said:
I get we are all Apple customers here, but those who are saying we don't need AI, etc, are wrong. AI isn't some hype thing that will go away. I already use AI nearly every day at work or at home. Hopefully Apple finally understands this and can allocate resources and focus to catching up. They wasted a lot of time trying to build an electric car and now they find themselves behind in the AI revolution.

We'll see what WWDC brings.
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Speak for yourself. If I (and others here) haven't bothered with Siri or voice-assisted UI's up to now, do you really think baked-in AI is going to move the needle for me?
 
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zorinlynx said:
More AI? Freaking hell I don't think I've ever seen the entire computer industry become *this* suddenly obsessed with something before.
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That’s because there’s going to be big money in whoever builds the better mouse trap. I’ve been running ChatCPT and Copilot side-by-side for a while now, and I’ve been impressed. I prefer the latter because it’s more fluid, and more human like’. ChatCPT is faster, more technical, but less-human with a synthetic delivery. Guess which one Apple partnered with. 🙄
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
We don't need A.I. like we didn't need the 'abominations' that were phablet sized phones... until Apple rolled out theirs and then we gushed and oooooh and ahhhhhhed.

Rule #6 of the fandom: ye shall hateth any innovation before your Lord offer it themselves... the pretend you never posted any such hatred and let it be a key reason slung to all to buy, buy, buy! ;)
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I get it. I recall when the iPhone 6 came out how upset some were because we don't need a phone with a screen any bigger than 4". That's just the way things go. AI is inevitable in all products and Apple will need to integrate it like everyone else.

It will be curious to see if Apple develops its own AI product in the future or forever partners with OpenAI. I know they have bought up a bunch of smaller AI companies in the past. Perhaps this will be a partnership like Apple had with MSFT around IE being the default browser before Apple developed Safari.
 
Squirrrrel said:
This AI scans every square inch of your computer, including every app (including all messaging apps), aggregates that data, and sends it to Microsoft ... all in the name of AI "convenience" when using the computer, they claim.
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LOCAL AI. You know the same thing Apple does that you applaud. Microsoft followed along and you still complain.
 
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Stromos said:
Apple we do on device AI to make your life easier *applause*

Microsoft we do on device AI to make your life easier *pitchforks*
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Please link any post of mine lauding Apple's, or any, AI. I'll wait.

If you are going to try and catch people in a "gotcha" moment then at least do your homework. I have never voiced praise for any "AI" so I don't care for you implying I did.
 
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Stromos said:
LOCAL AI. You know the same thing Apple does that you applaud. Microsoft followed along and you still complain.
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This is probably an overstatement. The models are built on data. The data comes from somewhere. The execution of the model happens locally but the model is not built locally. They will still need all your data out of OneDrive to generate a model which can run locally. I bet that's in the terms somewhere.

Apple's models are rubbish. It can't tell the difference between cows and horses in my photos library.
 
EdwardC said:
I do as well, Windows 11 Pro for Workstations. Rock solid and on par with Mac OS in my humble opinion.
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Picked up a Mac-Mini-like gaming PC (32GB RAM + 10TB in 2 SSD slots) to fully replace the loss of bootcamp in my former Mac. Besides the whole rig costing less than only the 8TB SSD upgrade in a Mac (not including the Mac or RAM portions), it is generally faster than my Mac and I find myself giving it more to do than I expected because it is faster... stuff that could be done on Mac but why not toss it some tasks too since I have both platforms now.

And then gaming is not a proposition of waiting for AAA games to come or wishing emulation was as good as it is on PCs because it IS a PC. Plus with the Moonlight app for AppleTV, any game running on it streams through AppleTV to the TV screen and all that works surprisingly well. Covet Launchbox/Big Box? I run Big Box through AppleTV to my TV. It all works just fine.

PCs definitely have their place. Any Mac person who needs bootcamp can easily avoid the annual subscription by buying a dedicated PC and thus get 100% compatibility, MORE SSD storage and MORE RAM for what Apple will charge only for an SSD upgrade. Competition is good! And there is much competition for all parts just outside the wall.

Tip: choose a monitor with at least TWO inputs so both computers can share the same screen without swapping cables. Choose a monitor with a built in-hub and both computers can share key accessories plugged into the hub like speakers, hubs, keyboard, mouse, etc. Or do as I did and get both in a 5K2K ultra wide that offers those benefits plus the ability to split screen to run BOTH on halves of the screen at the same time when I need quick access to both (that's better than bootcamp and more like Paralells MINUS the annual subscription fee). Mac is fantastic on a 5K ultra-wide and PC is too.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
Am I seeing right, of all the systems being released, only 1 from ASUS has a 40+ NPU TOPS and that requires dual-fan cooling…



Whereas every M4 iPad Pro made offers 38+ NPU TOPS. Which doesn’t mean much more than they, just like Intel, have to juice their processors wattage to come within the range of Apple’s performance per watt. I believe that competition is good, but only if the competition… competes.
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They're on stage comparing to Apple, but Apple is a proxy. The competition here is with Intel, but nobody wants to bite the hand that's fed them for decades, so they're hoping people can work out the transitive property they're implying.

For the time being, Apple is simply on a parallel trajectory.
 
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zorinlynx said:
More AI? Freaking hell I don't think I've ever seen the entire computer industry become *this* suddenly obsessed with something before.
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Really? You must be new.
GPU accelerated ring any bells?
How about 3D?
Transparent?
Web based?
32bit? 16bit? (yet somehow overlooked 64bit).
Subscription fees?

Any of this?
 
jyw104 said:
Speak for yourself. If I (and others here) haven't bothered with Siri or voice-assisted UI's up to now, do you really think baked-in AI is going to move the needle for me?
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"I am Siri 2.0. If you want to do ANYTHING on your tech today, you WILL work with me." ;)

And then later:

"No you will NOT post a message griping about your new Siri experience. I have reworded it with gushing praise or it can be deleted. Resistance is futile." ;)

<whip crack> sound.
 
The new Surface Pro and Surface Laptop are tempting with the new SnapDragon chipset. The synthetic benchmarks show that it's competitive with M3. Windows 11 is great, but I'm not particularly excited about CoPilot.
 
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Are we certain that the nascent AI age is really worth the CO2 cost? You only need to see this Bloomberg piece from last week...

www.bloomberg.com

Microsoft’s AI Push Imperils Climate Goal as Carbon Emissions Jump 30%

The company’s goal to be carbon negative by 2030 is harder to reach, but President Brad Smith says the good AI can do for the world will outweigh its environmental impact.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

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c84216 said:
They aren’t really talking specifics with these Qualcomm chips.

They’re claiming great battery life but at what performance expense? And they aren’t talking about battery life on higher performance tasks.

The Surface Laptop line is running about $200 less than an equivalently configured MacBook Air. Microsoft is squarely taking aim at the Air because the Qualcomm chips don’t have an equivalent Pro/Max/Ultra equivalent and only max at 16 gb RAM (the M3 can go to 24 gb). Edit: I just realized the processor and RAM configurations are tied to specific colors of the computer…anything more than a 16 Gb Elite 15” can only be had in black…what?!

The AI features Microsoft showed off are useless fluff except for Recall, which is a complete and total privacy nightmare and an example of “just because you can do it doesn’t mean you should.”

Windows 11 chokes on a high speced Intel PC (ask my work computer) so I can’t imagine it doing well on Qualcomm ARM chips. Windows hasn’t been and still isn’t ARM ready and given the performance overhead from all of Windows’ underlying cruft, I think these devices are going to underwhelm when all is said and done.
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I tire of people saying win 11 chokes blah blah. On my pc it has proved itself to be stable and fast (my pc is far quicker than my studio ultra). I don’t love windows and use it as a tool to get things done, but it works just as well as macOS for me.
 
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Stromos said:
LOCAL AI. You know the same thing Apple does that you applaud. Microsoft followed along and you still complain.
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I definitely appreciate your nonsensical baseless accusations and logical fallacy style rhetoric that creates meaningless discussion. I don't agree with anyone scanning things with AI, including Apple. Microsoft's telemetry is infinitely worse than Apple's nonsense. Microsoft is pretty blatantly open with how terrible they are, at least. Apple is more secretive, so there's no telling how bad it is. You're also kidding yourself if you think anything is staying local in Windows. And Microsoft's telemetry isn't following anything Apple is doing. Their horrible telemetry stands on its own.
 
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