Microsoft DESERVES TO DIE! (meaculpa)

[Virginaustralia]

Windows 8 buggy? With all the 3rd party bloatware that come pre installed on most machine it's a possibility, but not microsoft's fault.
Just because you don't like something, or are not good at using it does not make it a bad product. Try to be more objective

No i removed all bloatware its just buggy. For example every couple of times i start up the lock screen doesnt show up, just the blank background. It randomly deselects the password box when im typing. lots of other stuff

Windows 7 is awesome. Windows 8 is the worst possible thing ever.

True

 

[Born Again]

We can all chip in :

 

[Benguitar]

I'm not a fan of Windows, I never have been. Not because of Apple's trendiness, but because of stuff like this, disk partitioning, backup reliability, drivers and etc.

I might sound like I'm drinking Apple's coolaid, but I really think they do make a better product than all of their competitors, for about 95% of workflows out there.

The remaining 5% is divided up between Windows and Linux, but at that rate, Apple has bootcamp = problem solved.

I recently had a huge issue with Windows 8 Professional and ProTools 11, and I would in my experience highly advise against Windows 8 and ProTools.

 

[PracticalMac]

Yes, considering that you are saying that you can't get Japanese input on non-Ultimate/Enterprise Windows, that is exactly what I was saying.

Windows is not the problem here.

I did not say I didn't get Japanese, just not the Kanji, however...

I discovered the reason why.

My test word "Tokyo"was the cause of my grief.
I bet its second nature to you, SaSaSushi, but I forgot to add the U.
Kept trying Tokyo, even TokyoU, but I should have entered ToUkyoU.
Similar for OOsaka and KyoUto,

When I did the common English spelling and hit spacebar, I only had Kana, no Kanji of any kind listed.
On a Mac it would offer up Kanji alternatives, even if not what I wanted.
I must have been expecting more, so it surprised me when it only gave me only kana options.

Thanks for making me take a second look.


As for buying Pro, the sales guy I asked did not mention the full language support.

PS: Have a Win7 at work that refuses to update. Goes though the motion, but then reverts to previous state. IT tried to fix it too, nada. We decided to leave it be, it has specialized software we did not want to risk with OS reinstall. It made me a bit leery of Win7.

 

[SaSaSushi]

Thanks for making me take a second look.

問題を解決してよかった。

Glad to hear you got it sorted out.　

 

[monkeybagel]

Actually in 8.1 some form of the start button is coming back. There are already shareware third party start buttons that make Windows 8 behave more or less as Windows 7. I am running 8 now and it no longer bothers me - 8 boots directly into the desktop.

I wish. It is only the Windows "flag" in the bottom left. Does nothing of the like compared to the Start button/menu in 7. There are continuing to listen to customer feedback, and do right the opposite.

 

[Giuly]

You think Microsoft is bad? Try Google.

Lately they're forcing you to install Flash to watch YouTube videos - even if you switch your User Agent to iPad (which used to work fine), or are part of the HTML5 beta. Heck, you can even hear and see the video playing in the background before the "This video is not available" popover appears.

 

[roadbloc]

At least Microsoft support their software for longer than two years. Apple, Google and Microsoft all have their +'s and -'s. Get over it OP.

 

[MJL]

People's memory is short or perhaps those who are making the fore mentioned remarks were not around in the 1990's when Microsoft bailed Apple out. Apple was going under which would have been bad news for Microsoft because then the company would have been broken up because being a "monopoly". They needed a competitor with (if memory serves right) of at least 4% of market share. So if it was not for Microsoft then Apple would not have been around now.

 

[maflynn]

Microsoft is starting to hit on all cylinders imo. Their win8 phones are picking up traction and they're tweaking win8 to be more desktop friendly. I really liked what they did with win7. Overall they're moving in the right direction.

I think wishing a corporation would die seems a bit extreme. This isn't the 80s where Mac users hated windows like some sort of religion.

 

[Pompiliu]

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$129 MORE just so I can write in different languages????

Yeah, $129. You don't want to pay? Good then, use Linux, it's free.

 

[maflynn]

Yeah, $129. You don't want to pay? Good then, use Linux, it's free.

You misunderstood that post. He already paid for win7 and he needed to pay 129 more to upgrade professional to ultimate. He's not complaining about paying for windows but rather paying an exorbitant amount for what he considers basic needs.

 

[PracticalMac]

Yeah, $129. You don't want to pay? Good then, use Linux, it's free.

I would, but a number of software I need do not run on it.
And support is much more DIY, which I do not have time to.
(not saying Linux bad, I just can't use it)

You misunderstood that post. He already paid for win7 and he needed to pay 129 more to upgrade professional to ultimate. He's not complaining about paying for windows but rather paying an exorbitant amount for what he considers basic needs.

TY
Although the point is, its standard on other platforms at the basic level, yet an expensive add on for Win7

 

[MacBH928]

I just bought a win8 laptop (Toshiba) for the family. Although I am surprised by the super low prices of laptops today (my iphone probably costs more) I can't
believe how stupid it was to run Win8.

First they insisted to have an e-mail(or Microsoft email exactly) to be able to log into the computer. Second there was no way to cancel reverse scrolling that is on by default in Win8 . Third , I launched Windows Update and for about 45min it downloaded 0% . The fix? There was 65 updates so I had to choose 5-7 updates each time , it would start downloaded , install, then I must restart. I had to repeat the process 4-5 times. Fifth, Although I turned automatic log-in on(no need for passwords on restart) there was still a log-in screen when waking up the computer from sleep! It had some sort of complex settings to cancel the required password login after waking up from sleep.

All in all, it took me something like 3.5 hours to setup the Win8 machine including the researching to fix issues online.

In the year 2013 , and after a decade of Apple giving us worry free OS (including iOS) , I am not sure how is Microsoft is still getting away with this crap.

Some people might still like windows because they are probably some sort of programmers/technicians that can figure out their way around Windows, but for the rest the people its horrible. I have been using computers daily for the past 15+ years and it was too difficult for me, imagine what would your average Joe would do.

I know Windows is going no where with its huge install base and lots of organizations/schools/companies/governments investing thousands and thousands of dollars into its license , but Microsoft should seriously start killing this horrible OS.

They should start fresh with a new OS for the future, something worry free and less complex. Something that OEMs has certain standards to meet for their device to be supported by the OS, so we do not have to go web hunting for drivers and fixing glitches/issues for every hardware piece we connect to Windows.

Apple made the transition from OS 9 -> OS X and its a completely different OS even if you think it looks fairly the same. Microsoft should do the same.

I probably spent more time setting up a win8 laptop yesterday than trying to fixing my mac in the past 3 years. It exactly reminded me why I made the switch over a decade ago.

Sorry I just had to let off steam

 

[roadbloc]

First they insisted to have an e-mail(or Microsoft email exactly) to be able to log into the computer. Second there was no way to cancel reverse scrolling that is on by default in Win8 . Third , I launched Windows Update and for about 45min it downloaded 0% . The fix? There was 65 updates so I had to choose 5-7 updates each time , it would start downloaded , install, then I must restart. I had to repeat the process 4-5 times. Fifth, Although I turned automatic log-in on(no need for passwords on restart) there was still a log-in screen when waking up the computer from sleep! It had some sort of complex settings to cancel the required password login after waking up from sleep.

You must be doing some things wrong somehow. I have 4 machines running Win 8 and none of them have trouble with any of what you mentioned there. All of my accounts are offline, I haven't even noticed reverse scrolling (none of my installs used it by default) and installing updates and auto-login work fine.

 

[g35]

I probably spent more time setting up a win8 laptop yesterday than trying to fixing my mac in the past 3 years. It exactly reminded me why I made the switch over a decade ago.

Sorry I just had to let off steam

For a counterpoint to this, I have been using Windows computers since 1996 with one hickup: a hard drive failure in 2000. Since using Windows XP in 2005, I can count on two hands the number of "crashes" (OS lockups requiring a reboot). I have never had a "logic board" fail, hard drive fail, or other component. I had 2 or 3 viruses back in the Windows XP days (all at the same time), but none since. Since 2000 I have never ever lost data due to using a Windows computer, except for that time I forgot to include a few folders in a backup.

I am not a computer expert, though I can follow instructions if someone types them on a forum or from a YouTube video.

Windows, for me, has been incredibly stable and reliable. It's still worse than OS X, in my opinion, for features and pleasure to use. The battery life is worse and it's a pain to install drivers when installing a fresh OS. But it's also nice to get a stable and reliable new 13" computer for $500.

 

[MacBH928]

@roadbloc

I am not doing anything wrong, this laptop is brand new. I just flipped it on open. I just did the updates and disabled the password requirements.

How do you take your account offline? Why does it need to be online any way?


@g35

I noticed Windows does not crash like it used to be in Win98. It might be stable but configuring the machine is something from hell. It should not be this complex. Just to give you an example, it took less time to connect my MICROSOFT mouse to my macbook than it took to do on a Win7 machine!

There is all this drivers stuff, viruses scanners, trojans. All the stuff you don't have to deal with on an Apple machine. Another problem is I noticed software on Windows tends to install itself in bundles. I downloaded Adobe Acrobat and installed along with it McAfee Virus Scanner! Whats with that? I know you can disable it from the options but its a nuisance having to deal with it.

Though I do tend to agree that a $500 laptop is very very nice. I was amazed at the prices in the shop. On the opposite side, it was very confusing because all brands were priced similar, looked similar, and you can't tell the old models from the new models. You just have to go on the specs like i3 or i5 or 4GB ram or 6. You can't tell what has a better screen or reliable hardware.

 

[G51989]

I noticed Windows does not crash like it used to be in Win98. It might be stable but configuring the machine is something from hell. It should not be this complex. Just to give you an example, it took less time to connect my MICROSOFT mouse to my macbook than it took to do on a Win7 machine!

Then your doing it wrong, every Windows 2000 and up machine will pretty much automatically recognize any USB Mouse or keyboard by default, I think my ME machine did was well.

There is all this drivers stuff, viruses scanners, trojans. All the stuff you don't have to deal with on an Apple machine. Another problem is I noticed software on Windows tends to install itself in bundles. I downloaded Adobe Acrobat and installed along with it McAfee Virus Scanner! Whats with that? I know you can disable it from the options but its a nuisance having to deal with it.

Your doing it wrong, I've been using Windows and Apple machines for a very long time, and can't say I've had virus issues or trojans with any of them. And no, software in Windows will not install itself in bundles by default, during the installation process in something like well any free Adobe program these days, it will ask if you want to install an add on like that. Simply uncheck the box.

You don't need McAfee Virus scanner, uninstall it. You didn't have to deal with it, you gave it permission to install.

Though I do tend to agree that a $500 laptop is very very nice. I was amazed at the prices in the shop. On the opposite side, it was very confusing because all brands were priced similar, looked similar, and you can't tell the old models from the new models. You just have to go on the specs like i3 or i5 or 4GB ram or 6. You can't tell what has a better screen or reliable hardware.

Most PC's and Macs are made of the same stuff, you really only get into PC land junk when you go sub 400 dollars these days.

 

[MJL]

....There is all this drivers stuff, viruses scanners, trojans. All the stuff you don't have to deal with on an Apple machine........

Congrats on buying the Apple marketing hype. To date Apple has not experienced a lot of these pests primarily because their market share is so small that someone is not going to spend their time on trying to do that: lets face it why bother if there is a market that is twenty times as large? Similarly the malware producers will now focus on the smart phones - far more participants in that eco system.

The "swipe to pay" will be the next biggest rip off - just walk past someone with your mobile device and you will swipe their payment details, wonderful, even more chance for the criminal to rip someone off. And who is pushing this? Yes you got it, your beloved Apple.

Windows is secure and imho it is more secure than OS X in a business environment. But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion although listening to those supporting Apple it seems that only their opinion is correct.

Peace to all.

 

[MacBH928]

@G51989

I didn't say the mouse didn't work, I said it took shorter time to work on my macbook than the new Windows lapotp. I did nothing ,just connected it.

@MJL

not sure why you made this into an Apple vs Microsoft thing. We all know that Microsoft has a higher percentage share of the PC market. Just like Toyota has more market share over something like a Ferrari . Either way, if you are happily using Windows be my guest. As for me, I have seen too much trouble of this OS over the years even though its been much much better recently.

 

[MJL]

@G51989

I didn't say the mouse didn't work, I said it took shorter time to work on my macbook than the new Windows lapotp. I did nothing ,just connected it.

@MJL

not sure why you made this into an Apple vs Microsoft thing. We all know that Microsoft has a higher percentage share of the PC market. Just like Toyota has more market share over something like a Ferrari . Either way, if you are happily using Windows be my guest. As for me, I have seen too much trouble of this OS over the years even though its been much much better recently.

Can not (under)stand those who always seem to think that Apple has no malware and windows has plenty. For performance reasons I ran XP SP2 onwards all the way to Vista SP2 without any real time anti-malware software but with a good SIF and NAT firewall and despite repeated checks in the weekends never got anything. I suspect that has everything to do with browsing habits.

For business purposes Windows 7 is a very good OS however I am afraid that Windows 8.1 will overshadow Windows ME - it is totally and utterly unsuitable for a business environment. No wonder Steve Ballmer was given his marching orders by the board. My development machine is running 8 but the production machine will not be upgraded until they sort out the mess on smart search and storing in the cloud - I cannot and will not store the companies data in the cloud.

 

[roadbloc]

How do you take your account offline? Why does it need to be online any way?

Online accounts are for them who would like to sync their settings across all of their PCs. When I was asked to create an account, I simply clicked the Offline option when asked for a Microsoft ID to sign in with. It isn't hard.

You can even switch Online accounts to Offline. It is in settings, under the user tab. Is it really that hard to find?

 

[MacBH928]

@MJL

SIF and NAT firewall. This is exactly the point. You have to understand that most people do not understand these terms or how to operate them. Consumers should not have to deal with this. No one wants to go through computer security courses just to browse the web. I have been using computers for a very long time and I am considered tech savvy, I still do not know what SIF is! I have seen people out there that are not sure when they have to double click or just click once using a mouse.

This is exactly why I said , you guys probably know your way around the system well that you can operate it the way you want. Many others, have to research many things before being able to just use the device. I had to google restarting Windows 8 for gad's sake. It was hidden in the Metro GUI in a small dash at the bottom of the screen.

Computers should not be so complex today. They should be like a phone, TV, or a stereo. You open it , turn it on and it works. No complex setups. This is how I feel it should be and this is what I experience using Apple devices (for the most part).

@roadbloc

i am sorry, I do not know what "local account" means. It should have said "offline" . The other part is , if this was my only problem then I might have looked harder but as I mentioned there were many issues including the windows update not working, having to do multiple restarts with new updates on each restart, I mentioned all of this above. It was very hectic.

If it makes you feel better, setting up the laptop to WiFi was a smooth process. In fact the smoothest ever on any Windows machine, it searched for the router, entered the password and thats it! usually I had to go to that ugly control panel with multiple menus.

 

[printz]

Online accounts are for them who would like to sync their settings across all of their PCs

And that's silly, because what that syncing does for me is keep the same wallpaper and lock screen on my laptop as on my desktop. Purely visual stuff

 

[Frisco]

Yeah Microsoft stinks--they want your money. We already know this, but sorry to hear about your issue. Companies are greedy--and they will squeeze every last dime out of you.

I look forward to a more competitive future without the Googles, Apples and Microsofts of the World.