It follows directly as chrome wouldn’t exist without Apple’s WebKit and Android, in it’s current state, wouldn’t exist without the iPhone.
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Pretty much. Chrome was forked from WebKit. No WebKit, no Chrome. And Android looked VERY different, more like a Blackberry replacement prior to the iPhone being shown off. If there was no iPhone, Android would likely still ship with a keyboard.
Does it really matter at this point? Google has created a superior web engine even if it was forked off of WebKit. It makes very little sense for Apple to continue developing Webkit, it would make sense for them to move to Chromium and redirect their resources in other areas.Pretty much. Chrome was forked from WebKit. No WebKit, no Chrome. And Android looked VERY different, more like a Blackberry replacement prior to the iPhone being shown off. If there was no iPhone, Android would likely still ship with a keyboard.
It makes perfect sense because enterprises see Chrome browser that uses cloud based web cache as unusable on their intranets.
No it does not their are ways to stop caching in Chrome. In addition I can see corporations asking for greater control over settings and would most likely get it in a future update.
Well, yes, in the context of the OP’s mention of Apple being partially responsible for point one when Apple’s responsible for all three to some degree.
Again Chromium has a real serious problem of writing to SSD like crazy with its cache files and given that shortens the life of your SSD "superior web engine" doesn't really apply. If Chromium truly was "superior" it would cache files in RAM and not write to the SSD like crazy:
Well you can't change the fact that Edge, Chrome , and Brave are like 90% the same. They are modified versions of Chromium which you can download and use.
Are you sure the speed of Edge is not just a placebo effect? You can do testing with some tools like this .
Simply put people are ignorant . Even I did not know that they can even track your mouse movements.
That is not excessive it is right around other web browsers data cache storage even though it uses a little more space. In addition if Apple does not like the default cache setting they can change it when they are designing the browser if they go the Chromium route. In addition if the cache settings were killing SSD’s early you would hear people complaining about this issue considering a lot of computers are using SSD’s for storage.
Pretty much. Chrome was forked from WebKit. No WebKit, no Chrome. And Android looked VERY different, more like a Blackberry replacement prior to the iPhone being shown off. If there was no iPhone, Android would likely still ship with a keyboard.
It was Google's rapid growth and eventual dominance in the search engine market that allowed them to promote and become a major player in the browser market regardless of where the browser engine may have originated.
Making Android OS open source and attractive to global smartphone OEMs is what helped Android succeed regardless of what form factor phones eventually took on. In this case, I think Microsoft's poor execution of Windows Phone OS helped Google/Android more than anything Apple did.
The iPhone would be blackberry without YouTube and maps at launch. Apples entire iPhone 2G marketing campaign was centered around that it could use Google products.
Maybe Google should have pulled an Apple at the time and kept native Google apps like Maps and YouTube exclusive to Android. Would have possibly killed Apple.
A browser installed on 75% of desktops overtakes the browser pre installed on 15% of desktops, 30% of all mobile phones, and 38% of all tablets
"right around other web browsers data cache storage"? Say what? The lowest browser on the graphic, Brave, clocks in at 2.456 times what Safari writes and that adds up over time.
Regarding the "cache settings were killing SSD’s early you would hear people complaining about this issue considering a lot of computers are using SSD’s for storage" go on YouTube and look at the video when this whole thing got attention when someone noted wild writes to the M1 SSDs. In fact, the picture I used came from one such video and they all basically say the same thing I am - avoid Chrome specifically and Chromium browsers in general if you want to save your SSD.
If it was so easy to fix Chromium so it didn't write to SSD at over 2.4 times that of Safari then why hasn't anybody done so? It's open source. Clearly the fork has created some issues that Webkit doesn't have.
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The flaw with that line of thinking is in 2007 no one was really expecting the smartphone market to become what it is today. Heck, the Android OS didn't even come into being until 2008. More over since Maps and YouTube were browser based there was little Google could have done to make them exclusive to Android.
There is absolutely no problem with that line of thinking. At most these things are mutually enriched. Back in 2007 there were already plenty of smartphone options. Apple happened to make an extremely good one, backed by its brand presence and a legendary man. A man whose track record was richer then Apple itself.
With all merit it granted the company the opportunity to be a trillion dollar company and again with great merit to the staff that took it.
No one owes anything to Apple more than to any other company.
PS: The thing I liked most about SJ was his capacity to detach himself from his creations even though no one probably was more genuinely passioned then he was. More so than his creations fans. Once he said to a passioned user disappointed about something, and given the context I believe he was being honest in thought: “it’s just a phone” … the bottom line.
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I think Google playing hardball with Microsoft over the YouTube app back in 2013 or so contributed to the Windows Phone eventual demise.
It was not just YouTube. All Google apps. Spotify, Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp and many many other digital services that did not came in support of the WP venture. There are historical reasons for this … the same kind of reasons that Apple is now giving others not to play along in the next venture as they did with iOS.
Well, if the last 5-6 years has taught us anything, it's that people are pretty stupid and unaware of how they are being scammed. ?♂️
Chrome that exists today would NOT exist if WebKit wasn’t there to fork from. Something ELSE might exist, but not Chrome as it exists today. Same for Android, whatever might have existed without Google’s CEO sitting on Apple’s board would not be the Android that exists today.
No, the marketing campaign was centered around “An iPod, A Phone, and an Internet Communicator”
I guess you could say that Google DID pull an Apple, because they didn’t provide native Google apps like Maps and YouTube. Apple provided those because there wasn’t an App Store. So, we have history to go on to see what would have happened if Google didn’t provide those apps. Looks like the iPhone did pretty well
True. I was just responding to the comment that more specifically talked about the YouTube app. At least among Google apps, YouTube seemed to be the biggest app (or lack of app) issue for Windows Phone.
Google's dominance in search helped put them in a position to develop a browser as well as buy Android and move into the smartphone/mobile OS business. These would've/could've happened with or without Apple. As I had stated, I think you are giving Apple way too much credit or blame as several different factors have lead to Google's dominance in browsers and OS.
Oh, so it’s only a coincidence that Chrome just happened to occur after several years (since 2005) of Apple working on WebKit? They had their own renderer ready to go just decided to go with WebKit because… reasons? And, though Google had been working on Android since 2005, that switch between looking like a Blackberry phone to looking like the iPhone between 2007 and 2008 would have just naturally happened anyway without the iPhone? I mean, multiverse theory says that anything that can happen has actually happened in some universe out there, so, I guess you’re not wrong.
It just didn’t happen in THIS universe.
In this one, Apple’s the reason why the leading browser today is based on a fork of WebKit and the leading phone OS is an iteration of the all screen, no keyboard first iPhone.Oh, so it’s only a coincidence that Chrome just happened to occur after several years (since 2005) of Apple working on WebKit? They had their own renderer ready to go just decided to go with WebKit because… reasons? And, though Google had been working on Android since 2005, that switch between looking like a Blackberry phone to looking like the iPhone between 2007 and 2008 would have just naturally happened anyway without the iPhone? I mean, multiverse theory says that anything that can happen has actually happened in some universe out there, so, I guess you’re not wrong.
It just didn’t happen in THIS universe.
If WebKit hadn't existed, Google would've likely found other ways to get into the browser game. Perhaps they could've modified Trident/MSHTML, Gecko or created a whole new browser engine. Besides, this discussion was not about Google simply having a web browser but rather Google having the #1 used web browser with about 63% of the worldwide market. We can’t "thank Apple 100% for that" as you put it. My point was you were giving Apple way too much credit/blame.
As far as Android goes, the basic form factor that smartphones eventually adopted didn't necessarily change the potential success Android OS would end up having. Android's success has been due to a number of things and, like with the Chrome browser, we can't "thank Apple 100% for that". My point, again, was you were giving Apple way too much credit/blame.
WebKit itself is a fork of KHTML and KJS (both the products of KDE). Those were forks of other projects. At all stages, a lot of companies and organizations have been involved in the development of the code. Even with WebKit, Apple was the primary developer but numerous other companies contributed (including Google). Yes, if you remove Apple from the history of Chromium, WebKit, Blink, etc. things would be different. But that is true of lots of companies.Oh, so it’s only a coincidence that Chrome just happened to occur after several years (since 2005) of Apple working on WebKit? They had their own renderer ready to go just decided to go with WebKit because… reasons? And, though Google had been working on Android since 2005, that switch between looking like a Blackberry phone to looking like the iPhone between 2007 and 2008 would have just naturally happened anyway without the iPhone? I mean, multiverse theory says that anything that can happen has actually happened in some universe out there, so, I guess you’re not wrong.
It just didn’t happen in THIS universe.
Tech is collaborative. Tech is built on previous work. It seems funny this even has to be said on a forum where we often hear "Apple doesn't do things first. It waits for technology to mature and then does it best."