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but I LIKE Vista.... (starts to tear...)

In Germany, appropriately pronounced: Fista [Fih-stah]

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2. Because you have a BIOS on the card, and Apple uses UEFI. Your PC 4850 won't work in a Mac Pro, unless you flash it with a Mac ROM. If you do so, it runs on a hackintosh without additional kexts - in theory. Because the BIOS can't initialize the cards and you'll end up with a black screen.

No, flashed cards still require custom kexts. Otherwise Quartz does not function correctly.
 
WP7 is going to be a failure... and in other news: Air found to be breathable!

Everyone knows that MS is a 1 (or 2) trick pony. So bringing up MS failures is like a bragging about how much smarter u are than a retard.

And the inmates (wintrolls) have been attempting to run the asylum here, for quite a while.
 
Of course it runs slower. The same way that DOS runs a LOT faster than any Windows. It was meant to be next generation and thus added graphical overhead and ease of use features that take more power. The expectation is that the computers that it runs on would have more power. Nobody expected the sudden craving for underpowered computers like netbooks and tablets, so Vista looked like a resource hog.

Vista is world's better than XP as long as you don't try to run it on a Netbook. The problem was that these underpowered computers should be running a different OS. It's like trying to run Snow Leopard on the iPad.

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dude my computer is a pentium 4 with a gig of ram. im running win 7 ultimate. it actually runs pretty well. (not as good as leopard does) i tried to put vista on it b4 win 7. it wouldnt even install because vista was so bloated. vista is super resource hungry. if a newer version can run on it but an older one cant, thats sayin somethin dont you think?
 
dude my computer is a pentium 4 with a gig of ram. im running win 7 ultimate. it actually runs pretty well. (not as good as leopard does) i tried to put vista on it b4 win 7. it wouldnt even install because vista was so bloated. vista is super resource hungry. if a newer version can run on it but an older one cant, thats sayin somethin dont you think?

It most certainly does, hence the 67% of the Window's market share who chose to stay with, and/or return to XP.

Funny how MS catered to the "Laptop Hunter's" crowd with their ads, yet didn't realize that having to purchase a new system with more RAM just to run the OS, wouldn't appeal to their target demographic.

Trying to draw a corollary between Vista and the iPhone 4, as if they were remotely comparable, hardly reduces the magnitude of their own debacle.
 
Surely, you're aware that Apple offers Onsite repair for desktop computers: Request that a technician come to your work site

We've had them come twice, during the past seven years.
Probably nice if you live next door to One Infinite Loop but Apple sells computers worldwide. My experience here in Scandinavia is that the only product they repair onsite is Mac Pro, and only if you live within a certain distance to the nearest Premium Reseller. No iMac or MBP repairs onsite. Those will have to be dropped off or sent in, and the procedure is that they don't order parts until they've determined what's needed. With my iMac this took 3 weeks. The second time they had it for 2 weeks before determining that nothing was wrong, which was incorrect (the power supply was faulty just like before the 1st repair). After that, Apple Sweden finally agreed to let me send it in to some more, er, professional repair shop they had a contract with. They found the problem that the first place missed and it was back at my doorstep after 2 days and has been working fine since. Had Apple agreed to the send-in option from the beginning I would've been a happy customer instead of a rabid one. Since competitors like Dell offer NBD onsite service regardless of computer type (laptops included) in my neck of the woods, the least Apple should do is offer send-in repairs directly, not as a last resort. Great computers, service from hell*.

* = may vary depending on region, which it shouldn't - AppleCare sure costs the same no matter where you live.
 
It most certainly does, hence the 67% of the Window's market share who chose to stay with, and/or return to XP.

Funny how MS catered to the "Laptop Hunter's" crowd with their ads, yet didn't realize that having to purchase a new system with more RAM just to run the OS, wouldn't appeal to their target demographic.

Trying to draw a corollary between Vista and the iPhone 4, as if they were remotely comparable, hardly reduces the magnitude of their own debacle.

What debacle? The only people who were complaining were the ones with underpowered hardware. The vast number of vista installs were on hardware that had the vista sticker on it, and it ran just fine.
 
What debacle? The only people who were complaining were the ones with underpowered hardware. The vast number of vista installs were on hardware that had the vista sticker on it, and it ran just fine.
Yeah, but it was a while before those Vista-approved machines came out. I bought a Dell CoreDuo laptop about 5 months before Vista came out and it had more than enough juice to run it, but took something like 2 months before I had working Vista drivers for everything. There were 3 or 4 components that had horrible Vista drivers from the beginning... the Intel WiFi adapter, the NVidia card, the smartcard reader, all were unstable or totally kaputt for a few weeks there. Not a total showstopper though, Vista introduced a completely new driver model which hadn't happened for many years so it was a bumpy ride during the transition.
 
Not a total showstopper though, Vista introduced a completely new driver model which hadn't happened for many years so it was a bumpy ride during the transition.

Exactly, that's what people dont understand. Vista did a lot of things completely different than XP, and along with the higher system requirements and the huge number of different configs out there pretty much guaranteed that some people were going have a less than good experience.
 
Exactly, that's what people dont understand. Vista did a lot of things completely different than XP, and along with the higher system requirements and the huge number of different configs out there pretty much guaranteed that some people were going have a less than good experience.

That about says it all.

It was quite a revelation, for many, that on a new machine, XP was faster, less convoluted, and allowed users to allocate resources such as memory and processor power more toward running applications.
 
Exactly, that's what people dont understand. Vista did a lot of things completely different than XP, and along with the higher system requirements and the huge number of different configs out there pretty much guaranteed that some people were going have a less than good experience.
The revamped driver model was an absolute necessity, since it moved stuff from kernel to user mode meaning that the likelihood of BSoD issues was greatly reduced. But since it was a massive structural change it didn't come without initial problems. Both drivers and software had lots of compatibility issues. Mac users should be no strangers to that kind of situation... Mac OS X 10.0 wasn't exactly rock solid, it was more proof of concept than a viable platform. It was fun playing with though. At work we sacrificed an iMac G3 as an OS X guinea pig and stopped by sometimes to move the mouse cursor back and forth over the dock to look at the funky animation.
 
That about says it all.

It was quite a revelation, for many, that on a new machine, XP was faster, less convoluted, and allowed users to allocate resources such as memory and processor power more toward running applications.
Sorry, but that's a load of doo-doo. XP was faster because it's old and simplistic. That's like arguing that Leisure Suit Larry 1 is a blazing fast game compared to Doom 3.

XP had (and has) an antiquated desktop graphics engine that uses absolutely zilch of the GPU resources unless you're playing a game that invokes DirectX or OpenGL. The CPU had to carry the entire load.

As for memory handling, XP was lousy at this because open applications you hadn't used for a while got pushed back so far into memory that by the time you wanted to return to that application it was all in the swap file and had to be painstakingly retrieved, usually so slowly that you'd see the window slowly being redrawn piece by piece. In Vista and Win7 this behavior has been eliminated.

Also, when Vista was new, countless morons failed to understand how SuperFetch works. They'd go "oh no, Windows uses a whole GB now, I have to buy more memory!" Then they'd put in more memory and go "What? Now Windows uses TWO GB! I have to buy even more memory!". XP would just leave the RAM sitting there idle which is a terrible waste of resources. Vista uses unclaimed RAM to speed up application launch by filling it up with the SuperFetch cache. The split second an application asks for more memory, the cache is jettisoned. Applications start up fast as **** and if there's one Windows feature I'm missing in OS X, it's SuperFetch. Starting apps in SL is slow, agonizingly so if we're talking big hogs like Photoshop or Flash.
 
Sorry, but that's a load of doo-doo. XP was faster because it's old and simplistic. That's like arguing that Leisure Suit Larry 1 is a blazing fast game compared to Doom 3.

XP had (and has) an antiquated desktop graphics engine that uses absolutely zilch of the GPU resources unless you're playing a game that invokes DirectX or OpenGL. The CPU had to carry the entire load.

As for memory handling, XP was lousy at this because open applications you hadn't used for a while got pushed back so far into memory that by the time you wanted to return to that application it was all in the swap file and had to be painstakingly retrieved, usually so slowly that you'd see the window slowly being redrawn piece by piece. In Vista and Win7 this behavior has been eliminated.

Also, when Vista was new, countless morons failed to understand how SuperFetch works. They'd go "oh no, Windows uses a whole GB now, I have to buy more memory!" Then they'd put in more memory and go "What? Now Windows uses TWO GB! I have to buy even more memory!". XP would just leave the RAM sitting there idle which is a terrible waste of resources. Vista uses unclaimed RAM to speed up application launch by filling it up with the SuperFetch cache. The split second an application asks for more memory, the cache is jettisoned. Applications start up fast as **** and if there's one Windows feature I'm missing in OS X, it's SuperFetch. Starting apps in SL is slow, agonizingly so if we're talking big hogs like Photoshop or Flash.

Applications in Linux using WINE launch faster than on Windows, there's something incredibly wrong with that.
 
The principles(philosophies) that UNIX was founded on don't agree with SuperFetch.

Applications in Linux using WINE launch faster than on Windows, there's something incredibly wrong with that.
I know this >.< much about Linux/Unix... what principles? Is it morally wrong under Unix, er, "law" to preload frequently used applications or parts thereof?

Oh well... it will be a non-issue once SSD becomes ubiquitous, but for now it's kind of a bummer. I'm still stuck in my old Windows workflow where I click on Adobe CS application icons left and right and windows come flying in, when I do the same in OS X I have to stare at this peculiar frog pond with icons bouncing up and down for minutes. When will a 500 GB SSD be under $500? 2 years? 5 years?
 
I know this >.< much about Linux/Unix... what principles? Is it morally wrong under Unix, er, "law" to preload frequently used applications or parts thereof?

Oh well... it will be a non-issue once SSD becomes ubiquitous, but for now it's kind of a bummer. I'm still stuck in my old Windows workflow where I click on Adobe CS application icons left and right and windows come flying in, when I do the same in OS X I have to stare at this peculiar frog pond with icons bouncing up and down for minutes. When will a 500 GB SSD be under $500? 2 years? 5 years?

I removed that as it wasn't completely true, it borders the edge but it doesn't really. (if that made sense)
 
Applications in Linux using WINE launch faster than on Windows, there's something incredibly wrong with that.

That's easy, since WINE is a subset of Win64 - it's easy for it to be faster.

Also, be sure to control for cache effects (launch the app 6 times on each OS, with a reboot between each test for example). Then launch 6 times in a row without rebooting. Compare.

Also, unit tests might have the problem of "not seeing the forest for the trees". A bunch of isolated tests might show one thing, but the performance of your typical workflow might show another. (Windows prefetch in particular will show up here.)

I've got to get more memory for my 12 GiB home system - it's spending too much time going to disk lately. RAMmap (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ff700229.aspx) is my friend.
 
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