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I've never said otherwise... ever! Stop putting words into people's mouths.

Fair enough, u didnt say it.

Do you think the vast number of apps that are available for iphone is an advantage against android?

Out of that list you said explicitly, Macs do not use standard Intel/nVidia chipsets.

Oh please. Of course intel chipsets that are used in macs are exactly the same as the ones used for PCs. If they werent then hackintoshes wouldnt exist. and nvidia gpus are just PC parts that have been reflashed. nvidia building custom gpus for mac desktops... LOL
 
Fair enough, u didnt say it.

Do you think the vast number of apps that are available for iphone is an advantage against android?

I don't know any android apps to compare, android is non existent down-under. Therefore off my radar.

Though if you want an android media player that doesn't suck, try songbird.


Oh please. Of course intel chipsets that are used in macs are exactly the same as the ones used for PCs. If they werent then hackintoshes wouldnt exist. and nvidia gpus are just PC parts that have been reflashed. nvidia building custom gpus for mac desktops... LOL

So the reason why the hackintosh community try so hard to make software which emulates an Apple environment, and make all the hacked kexts... is because they're the same hardware? Get out of here. I don't believe that for one second :rolleyes:
 
I don't know any android apps to compare, android is non existent down-under. Therefore off my radar.

Though if you want an android media player that doesn't suck, try songbird.




So the reason why the hackintosh community try so hard to make software which emulates an Apple environment, and make all the hacked kexts... is because they're the same hardware? Get out of here. I don't believe that for one second :rolleyes:
i7 and Xeon PCs use ICH10R, so does the Mac Pro. Only thing you need is emulate the UEFI, the rest runs Vanilla. Maybe throw in some Audio kext and a Video enabler. The reason why people write kexts is because Mac use a narrower range of PC hardware, IBM-compatible PCs use much more then ICHs and a couple of nVidia chipsets. AMD systems are whole lot different then the Intel stuff Apple uses.

New Intel PCs are basically the same as Macs in terms of parts, only cheaper and faster but running Windows or some sort of Linux or Solaris. I don't know how Apple is to overcome that, Mac OS X runs on cheap essentially identical PCs, the only advantage is the out-of-the-box experience, a aluminum enclosure and the iMac all-in-one concept.
And "Server grade" can by achieved with PC hardware, too. WD server grade grades cost as much as Caviar Black ones, are basically the same. Intel i7, basically the same as Xeon for single processor setups. keeps EEC ram to the list, which nice-to-have-but-not-necessary in a workstation.
 
What ever the vast quality of apps available for OSX is, PCs have more. Furthermore cross platform apps usually run better on PC and there often many apps that dont even exist for OSX.
And a Mac can run the whole lot - imagine that. :rolleyes:

Yet, I still prefer FCS, Logic Pro, Finale 2010 (OSX) to any Windows offerings.

Actually, yes. Its a very nice machine, but overpriced.
You get what you pay for - Server Grade processors, RAM, drives, and solid build quality, made to last.

Try pricing a similarly spec'd Dell Work Station with Server Grade Parts, and the price difference is minimal.

LOL Ive seen lots of PCs with far cooler looking interiors. You do realize there is an entire cottage industry devoted to making the interior of PC cases look cool right?
cool ≠ great architecture, design, and layout.

LED lights don't make it any easier to open the case, swap out drives, RAM, etc.

So? It's still overpriced PC server grade parts in a nice looking case.

Generic PC parts ≠ Server Grade parts.
 
i7 and Xeon PCs use ICH10R, so does the Mac Pro. Only thing you need is emulate the UEFI, the rest runs Vanilla. Maybe throw in some Audio kext and a Video enabler. The reason why people write kexts is because Mac use a narrower range of PC hardware, IBM-compatible PCs use much more then ICHs and a couple of nVidia chipsets. AMD systems are whole lot different then the Intel stuff Apple uses.

New Intel PCs are basically the same as Macs in terms of parts, only cheaper and faster but running Windows or some sort of Linux or Solaris. I don't know how Apple is to overcome that, Mac OS X runs on cheap essentially identical PCs, the only advantage is the out-of-the-box experience and a aluminum enclosure.

If thats true then why is a kernel hack needed to get USB working reliably?

Why is a kext still needed if you run a 4850, which mac OSX has drivers for?
 
If thats true then why is a kernel hack needed to get USB working reliably?

Why is a kext still needed if you run a 4850, which mac OSX has drivers for?

1. I'm refering to Socket 1366, which is bound to the ICH10R. Even on Mac, and so is Xeon which is a i7 with more QPI-lanes to connect more processors to each other. If there exists such a thing (more likely a non-compilant ACPI DSDT, as Mac OS X is very strict on that), this is most likely BIOS/ACPI related.
2. Because you have a BIOS on the card, and Apple uses UEFI. Your PC 4850 won't work in a Mac Pro, unless you flash it with a Mac ROM. If you do so, it runs on a hackintosh without additional kexts - in theory. Because the BIOS can't initialize the cards and you'll end up with a black screen.
 
Not to mention DDR3 ECC SDRAM and Xeon chips.
I think you're getting your notes from Apple's product pages.

Toggling on ECC on Bloomfield isn't something to stand in awe of since it has an Apple logo on it. How much radiation does your Mac Pro need to withstand?
 
Perhaps you ought to tell that to Dell.
I avoid purchasing prebuilt Windows machines for myself. It's much more difficult with a notebook though.

What about Dell?

I'm expecting someone to draw up a Dell workstation with a single Xeon DP processor and complaining how expensive it is.

Do you want me to be more materialistic?
 
And a Mac can run the whole lot - imagine that. :rolleyes:

Well of course a mac can run windows apps. A mac is built from PC parts, duh :rolleyes:

You get what you pay for - Server Grade processors, RAM, drives, and solid build quality, made to last.

Try pricing a similarly spec'd Dell Work Station with Server Grade Parts, and the price difference is minimal.

mac pro hasnt been updated in years. dell workstations use the latest parts and the mac pro is still more expensive lol.


cool ≠ great architecture, design, and layout.

LED lights don't make it any easier to open the case, swap out drives, RAM, etc.

Great architechture? It's a freakin computer case! Easier to open the case??? are u kidding me? Ok fine I'll bite. It's easier to remove the mainboard from a PC, power supply, optical drive, etc.. :cool:

Generic PC parts ≠ Server Grade parts.

LOL!!! So exactly what are these "sever grade parts?"
 
Are you implying that home brew boxes are offered comparable coverage to prebuilt machines?
Ask someone that owns video card with a double lifetime warranty.

If you need on-site next business day then you need on-site next business day.

There is no wealth like knowledge and no poverty like ignorance.
 
Ask someone that owns video card with a double lifetime warranty.

If you need on-site next business day then you need on-site next business day.

Hassle free = hassle free.

Time is valuable, from this POV - waste enough of it, and all the 'knowledge' will only keep you in the ghetto.
 
Hassle free = hassle free.

Time is valuable, from this POV.
Ask Apple to offer 3 years next business day on-site standard on their forgotten workstation then.

I hated wrestling with Apple reps. They'd discount on support but never on hardware. You still had to cough up the money.
 
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