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Mouse/trackpad support!

If Apple wants to people add more ways for people to take iPad Pro seriously as a laptop replacement, they should let us use pointing devices on the plane of the surface the keyboard is on. It's basic ergonomics. Seems like every reviewer has complained about being forced to use the touchscreen. Without an alternative, Apple has painted itself into a gorilla arms corner.

They could theoretically make all iPads compatible with all BT mice/trackpads, or, more likely, they could support only iPad Pro talking to Apple peripherals.

My Samsung NotePRO 12.2 has had mouse/trackpad support for years. I often use a BT keyboard but using a Samsung BT Mouse or Apple Magic Trackpad introduces cursor lag, enough that I rarely use it. It's a strange day when Apple's trackpad works okay for a Samsung device but not at all for an equivalent one from Apple.

So it has to work perfectly. They need to nail the execution like they did with the original mac mouse/cursor interaction. I love that story. In 2017, this seems like a good side project for the ProMotion engineers.

It would not break the bank, or strategy, to turn flip this story into a win, which to make this post relevant to the story, would help argue that iPad is as Pro as Surface. I try not to read too much into the Pro moniker, or beat up Apple about throwing the term around and raising the ire of tech geeks. However, the idea of Pro should be to provide sufficient options for different ways of working and ergonomic options. For professionals and prosumers alike.

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Link?

I thought the first iPad was a sanitary product??

Here is a picture of it.

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"As for Microsoft following Apple? 'We don't really look at Apple,' said Gavin."

lol ok, delusional guy

Yeah, awful high and mighty talk from a company that trailed Apple on: iPods, smart phones and their operating systems, tablets and their operating systems, trackpads, high resolution displays and proper DPI scaling, adoption of TB1/2/3, adoption of magsafe-like charging ports...

Just as well, I don't understand why (as far as I can see), such a large portion of MS's marketing is targeting Apple either comparatively or derisively. Are they that insecure ? Come up with some original ideas or apply some ideas to never-before-used scenarios, focus on development and user experience, and promote positively your products instead of focusing on conveying your definition of superiority through negatively promoting Apple.
 
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I have said many times, I use a Surface Pro 3 every day for work and it is crap ! The interface is built for a desktop not touch, icons are small, unresponsive and if you try using touch gestures the display has such poor palm rejection it rarely does what you want.

The layout is essentially a desktop OS which means on the go doing anything is long winded and cumbersome.

The stylus support is limited and the apps available are beyond basic.

The new iPad with a file system in iOS11 offers everything ! Great OS, stability, fluidity, ease of access on the move. Great stylus support and fantastic apps.

I could do soooo much more so much quicker on iOS than Windows. However due to the increased security our I.T team don't allow Apple products as they can't easily place back doors for monitoring.
 
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Windows 10 is just not very good as a tablet OS in my experience on my W10 tablet, and iOS is too neutered for everyday use for me.

I wish one of them would hurry up and fix their weaknesses so I could have a real 2-in-1 device without compromise. It's not even hardware holding them back now, entirely the software. At least Apple finally added a file manager (possibly).
 
I like that Microsoft and Apple use two different approaches to creating a tablet and both are successful.

Me too! Personally, I prefer Apple's way. I do not want macOS to turn into Windows 8+. Windows 10 STILL feels like the desktop environment is secondary. The new Settings is just too big and not enough data as some of the Control Panel counterparts in order to make it better for tablets.
 
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Haters are out in this thread. Apple created a better tablet. Windows created a better laptop. Can't we just leave it at that? The two really don't have anything to do with each other.

Agreed they have both gone in different directions, while I personally don't like Surface devices everyone is different in their use cases, I love my iPad Pro 1st gen and will be updating to the 2nd gen and while some people on here have states they are not laptop replacements I have to dissagree because my iPad Pro has reduced my usage of my MacBook Pro over the past 2 years.

I still use my iMac but I do think the iPad Pro is getting far better at replacing laptops, when IOS 11 comes out it will get even better. That's not to say it's for everyone, there are obviously people who dissagree just like I dissagree with putting a full desktop OS onto a tablet with Touch.
 
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Tit for Tat…. The timing on this announcement says it all.

My job wants me to use Windows, no problem. That’s where my Windows usage ends.

I am a desktop/mobile platform person, so currently, neither of these would be my primary machine.

If Surface works for you, great. If it does not, that’s fine too. Apple turned this gal into a believer with the new iPad Pro, it is helping me create in ways I was not sure I’d ever do again. I love that.
 
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I'm sure the surface wouldn't exist in it's current state today without the iPad
But whether true or not, they appeal to mostly different markets with a bit of overlap
 
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Where is a "True" professional tablet? Can I run 10 VMs on any tablet? Can I work on heavy 3D modeling? 4K or 8K footage?

This really needs to stop. Pro in a product name JUST MEANS better than the base model. THAT....IS......ALL.... Why are people thinking that JUST HAVING PRO in the name, means it will have the performance equivalent to 18-core CPU, 128GB of RAM, triple SLI of Quadro graphics cards, 10TBs of storage, and more? There ARE Pros that need that performance. People get SO WRAPPED up in stupid product names it is ridiculous!

PS4 to PS4 Pro. Can I run 10 VMs on PS4 Pro? Can I edit 4K or 8K footage? Can I do 3D modeling? BUT BUT BUT IT HAS PRO IN THE NAME!!!!

I seriously believe that EVERY SINGLE COMPANY should be banned from using the term Pro. The fact that SO MANY PEOPLE overreact to JUST A NAME is scary.

There can NEVER be a truly professional tablet or laptop according to some people. Not until we can have 18 cores, 128GB of RAM, triple dGPUs, 10TB of Storage. But when that happens, we will be on 32+ cores on the desktop and it will not be considered Pro then.

Agreed, it might be better to ban the suffix, through an amendment to the Geneva Convention, rather than have to buy a muzzle for every tech professional with an axe to grind.
 
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As a laptop replacement, I think the Surface still wins at the moment due to its ability to run any windows program: Apple are certainly pushing the iPad Pro forwards but for a lot of people the option to replace their laptop with one simply isn't there due to the limitations of of iOS

As a tablet, however, the iPad is so far ahead of Surface it's unreal - Windows on a tablet interface is a very suboptimal experience (I speak from the experience of having had a Surface Pro, Surface Pro 2 and Surface Book)

For me, this is a quandary that will probably never be resolved: I can't do without a laptop class machine as I'm a developer and I can't ever see Apple turning the iPad Pro into a true laptop machine (it's simply not their vision for the future of computing for the masses), so for the foreseeable future I'll keep both around :)

Plus the Surface can run VMWare or Parallels which would let you run Mac OS.
 
Agreed they have both gone in different directions, while I personally don't like Surface devices everyone is different in their use cases, I love my iPad Pro 1st gen and will be updating to the 2nd gen and while some people on here have states they are not laptop replacements I have to dissagree because my iPad Pro has reduced my usage of my MacBook Pro over the past 2 years.

I still use my iMac but I do think the iPad Pro is getting far better at replacing laptops, when IOS 11 comes out it will get even better. That's not to say it's for everyone, there are obviously people who dissagree just like I dissagree with putting a full desktop OS onto a tablet with Touch.

Yeah I might be selling my Macbook Pro 2016 system. It got it for FCPX primarily as my 2010 Mac Pro is just getting too old now. I can take the money I get from the Macbook Pro and get an iMac.
 
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Way back when it was first released they all got some & tested them, can't find a more updated article sadly:

https://9to5mac.com/2015/09/29/pixar-ipad-pro-pencil/
http://www.cultofmac.com/390641/pixars-animation-teams-raves-about-ipad-pro-test-drive/

Though generally it's well known that Pixar and Disney are pretty darn close to Apple and Apple products anyway. They've even got a building named after Steve Jobs. Lot of history and a lot of collaboration over decades.

They all use Macs and iPads there, except for the big ol' server farm rendering jobs which'll need seas of Xeons and terabytes of RAM on a Linux distro. But with regards to the front end and the designs/rough editing/graphics/drawings, it's all on Apple stuff.

Thats a big assumption mate
 
Thats a big assumption mate

It reads that way, granted. But they do use almost exclusively Apple products at Pixar, iPad Pros included... it's well known/common knowledge! I just wish I had a citation or a friend who worked there to back me up :p

But I know t'internet rules. No citation, might as well be talking out of my rear. Hopefully somebody here can help back me up... please! :D
 
Agreed they have both gone in different directions, while I personally don't like Surface devices everyone is different in their use cases, I love my iPad Pro 1st gen and will be updating to the 2nd gen and while some people on here have states they are not laptop replacements I have to dissagree because my iPad Pro has reduced my usage of my MacBook Pro over the past 2 years.

I still use my iMac but I do think the iPad Pro is getting far better at replacing laptops, when IOS 11 comes out it will get even better. That's not to say it's for everyone, there are obviously people who dissagree just like I dissagree with putting a full desktop OS onto a tablet with Touch.

I agree. I sold my MacBook and my only two computers are my iPad Pro 10.5 and my iPhone 7 Plus. Anytime I bring this up though, everyone turns it into an argument. Works well for me.
 



Microsoft executive Ryan Gavin this week suggested Apple released the iPad Pro in response to its Surface devices, per Business Insider.
"When Surface initially launched, everyone was skeptical, including them," said Gavin, general manager of Surface commercial devices at Microsoft. "And then they followed, and the iPad Pro is a clear example of that."


As for Microsoft following Apple? "We don't really look at Apple," said Gavin.

Article Link: Microsoft Executive Says iPad Pro Was Apple's Response to Surface

Yes, of course... They are following us (with a device that took years to develop), but we never, never follow them... *Looks away quickly from new locked down, walled garden, pretty MacBook competitor they just launched*.

Most likely neither company is really following the other.
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I agree. I sold my MacBook and my only two computers are my iPad Pro 10.5 and my iPhone 7 Plus. Anytime I bring this up though, everyone turns it into an argument. Works well for me.
I totally understand that. I'm a teacher, and I don't really need anything but an iPad pro myself.
 
"Microsoft Executive Says iPad Pro Was Apple's Response to Surface".

Of course. But the real response would be a true Mac tablet.
 
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