OS Neutral Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024

[avro707]

Has there been an update in the recent 2-3 week?

I will continue to play FS2020. It will probably be a few months before FS2024 is stable enough for the A380 to be made compatible.

At least a couple. The updates are fairly frequent.

It doesn’t give any crashes to desktop for me.

On the flip side, the realism is pretty impressive

I know it’s not an official Airbus approved thing but this A380 is a damn good advertisement for them. What an impressive plane it is. The systems for me are most impressive and to me (not a real airliner pilot) well thought out and easy to use.

 

[Huntn]

At least a couple. The updates are fairly frequent.

It doesn’t give any crashes to desktop for me.



I know it’s not an official Airbus approved thing but this A380 is a damn good advertisement for them. What an impressive plane it is. The systems for me are most impressive and to me (not a real airliner pilot) well thought out and easy to use.

I have no hands on exposure to this flight sim, but that was the weakness of flight sims back around 2000, over simplified systems. Yet, I remember playing an F-16 sim that was fairly complicated as to be too much work to execute a mission and be fun, at least for me. So there is a balance to be achieved.

 

[avro707]

I have no hands on exposure to this flight sim, but that was the weakness of flight sims back around 2000, over simplified systems. Yet, I remember playing an F-16 sim that was fairly complicated as to be too much work to execute a mission and be fun, at least for me. So there is a balance to be achieved.

This one is very close to the real one, so obviously Airbus got it right to start with.

 

[avro707]

The Concorde would be cool! Not ex - just enjoying my days off. But the pics remind me that I'll be back on the road Sunday night. On the flip side, the realism is pretty impressive. Right down to the crappy airplane coffee.

It was a lovely machine. I had a very good one in Flight Sim X all those years ago. It was basically study level. Tricky for newcomers (especially the Delco Carousel IV-AC INS) but once you learned the systems it was a pretty easy / logical plane.

It was great for fast trips around the world.

What it also showed you very clearly was the impact of weather conditions on aircraft performance. Hot conditions (above ISA) would mean you ended up stuck in the low FL500 region, while cold conditions (far below ISA) would often see you up at FL590-600 and occasionally with the ALT HOLD come on at 60,000ft.

Temperature changes would have obvious effects as well, colder temps increased climb performance, Warmer decreased it, you might even descend a little bit. But the general trend was through the flight you’d slowly drift upwards at M2.01 as fuel load reduced.

Really warm conditions would bring the TMO limit (127C) with its associated very noisy “warble” warning tone.

It’s quite a throwback in modern Airbus planes that they still have the “cavalry charge” which was also in Concorde. The “gong” I believe didn’t carry over, that was the master warning sound - an infernal “bing…. bing…. bing….”

I had all the manuals for that plane as well. Favourite takeoffs were JFK Canarsie Climb, also out of Barbados which was full power straight out over the ocean.

The Bay of Biscay loops were also fun, I had the plans for those of both BA and AF.

Even doing holding patterns was more interesting because you didn’t have modern computers to do it for you, it was all using timing of the outbound and inbound legs and the heading hold selector.

I never managed to match Tim Orchard’s IRL 2:52 JFK-LON time, it wasn’t for lack of trying. I never got the appropriate weather conditions for it. 2:57 was my best.

 

[Huntn]

This one is very close to the real one, so obviously Airbus got it right to start with.

I'm referencing actual systems in the aircraft that function like they would in the aircraft, as compared to how they work in the simulation. I could see this simplified greatly and doubt that the modeling of the aircraft in this kind of an all encompassing simulation would be that in-depth, or it would be more generalized.

Years ago, I flew an X-Plane DC-9. and it's performance seemed to be very close to the actual aircraft. But that is a simulation that actually uses airfoils to calculate performance to some degree vs having a chart of values assigned. And all the systems were bare bones affairs. With MSFS2024, I'm ignorant of how it works.

 

[avro707]

I'm referencing actual systems in the aircraft that function like they would in the aircraft, as compared to how they work in the simulation. I could see this simplified greatly and doubt that the modeling of the aircraft in this kind of an all encompassing simulation would be that in-depth, or it would be more generalized.

Time for you to try either the Fly By Wire Sim A320 or A380 or the Fenix A320 then tell me if you think they are dumbed down or not.

For guidance you can watch the Lufthansa A380 on YouTube with Jurgen Raps flying it - that’s a good starting point for the real thing and learning a bit on how it works.

 

[avro707]

The A400M (default) in MSFS 2024:

Interesting, it has some similarity to the A380 at first glance. Other things too - although I have little knowledge of the A400M to be honest.

Integrating the LIDO charts is also quite nice.

But the blurry scenery and runways are unacceptable. This is the problem of streaming all this information.

 

[Huntn]

Time for you to try either the Fly By Wire Sim A320 or A380 or the Fenix A320 then tell me if you think they are dumbed down or not.

For guidance you can watch the Lufthansa A380 on YouTube with Jurgen Raps flying it - that’s a good starting point for the real thing and learning a bit on how it works.

I’ll be honest, retired 10 years+, I’d have to go back to class to learn Airbus systems, if this simulation has something equivalent to the Airbus flight sysytem.

 

[Glideslope]

I have no hands on exposure to this flight sim, but that was the weakness of flight sims back around 2000, over simplified systems. Yet, I remember playing an F-16 sim that was fairly complicated as to be too much work to execute a mission and be fun, at least for me. So there is a balance to be achieved.

Typical ELINT guy.

 

[GrandCiel]

Components for a Windows PC I am building start arriving this week. I used to build one every few years but the current build has lasted 8 years. I owned Microsoft Flight Simulator Deluxe Edition for PC years ago. The Copyright on the box is 2006.

I’m building the PC for extensive photo editing, batch processing as well as 4K video editing. I’m thinking my configuration should handle the game well. It might be fun to test what it can do with this game.

What are some of the better recommendations for accessories for the best experience? I probably have a few accessories in storage somewhere but they could be 18 years old. I would probably start with smaller prop planes and if it holds my interest, move on to jets and large passenger airliners. As you can see from the PC components below, I didn’t go cheap.

Intel Core i9-14900KF 3.2 GHz 24-Core LGA 1700 Processor, ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 DARK HERO LGA 1700 ATX Gaming Motherboard, ASUS GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER, G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal DDR5 RAM 96GB (2x48GB) 6400MT/s CL32-39-39-102 1.35V, a few Samsung 4TB 990 PRO PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 Internal SSD’s etc. with a Dell UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor - U3224KB and NEC MultiSync PA272W.

Thank you.

 

[Macalicious2011]

I have uninstalled FS2024 and requested a game pass refund. I will resume playing F2020. 2024 is too unfinished and need 3 more months of patches and bug fixing.

Components for a Windows PC I am building start arriving this week. I used to build one every few years but the current build has lasted 8 years. I owned Microsoft Flight Simulator Deluxe Edition for PC years ago. The Copyright on the box is 2006.

I’m building the PC for extensive photo editing, batch processing as well as 4K video editing. I’m thinking my configuration should handle the game well. It might be fun to test what it can do with this game.

What are some of the better recommendations for accessories for the best experience? I probably have a few accessories in storage somewhere but they could be 18 years old. I would probably start with smaller prop planes and if it holds my interest, move on to jets and large passenger airliners. As you can see from the PC components below, I didn’t go cheap.

Intel Core i9-14900KF 3.2 GHz 24-Core LGA 1700 Processor, ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 DARK HERO LGA 1700 ATX Gaming Motherboard, ASUS GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER, G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal DDR5 RAM 96GB (2x48GB) 6400MT/s CL32-39-39-102 1.35V, a few Samsung 4TB 990 PRO PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 Internal SSD’s etc. with a Dell UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor - U3224KB and NEC MultiSync PA272W.

Thank you.

Buy a used or cheap Thrustmaster sidestick. Play the game for a few weeks or months to learn what type of planes and flights that you prefer. Thereafter buy more expensive accessories for those uses cases.

Epic build btw!

 

[diamond.g]

I have uninstalled FS2024 and requested a game pass refund. I will resume playing F2020. 2024 is too unfinished and need 3 more months of patches and bug fixing.


Buy a used or cheap Thrustmaster sidestick. Play the game for a few weeks or months to learn what type of planes and flights that you prefer. Thereafter buy more expensive accessories for those uses cases.

Epic build btw!

you don't normally subscribe to gamepass?

 

[avro707]

have uninstalled FS2024 and requested a game pass refund. I will resume playing F2020. 2024 is too unfinished and need 3 more months of patches and bug fixing.

On the official forums people are still fed up with 2024 and I didn’t buy it in the first place. It is too unfinished and full of problems.

 

[Macalicious2011]

you don't normally subscribe to gamepass?

No. I only subscribed to try FS2024 before I buy. I also got game pass refunded.

On the official forums people are still fed up with 2024 and I didn’t buy it in the first place. It is too unfinished and full of problems.

I should have picked up the red flags leading up to launch:
-No console gameplay footage.
-No press reviews of the full game in the lead up.
-No early access.
-Alpha test a month before launch. lol, who does an alpha this late? It should have been a test of the release candidate.

Playing 2020 and 2024 back to back, the difference is night and day. In the former, everything just works. Sure the lighting and grass detail is better in 2024 but that’s not worth putting up with all the bugs and unfinished features for. My mental health deserves better.

 

[avro707]

What would be great is the architecture improvements (multi core CPU support) applied to FS2020.

 

[diamond.g]

Are they still updating 2020?

 

[avro707]

Are they still updating 2020?

I did have an update a few weeks ago, just a small one.

 

[Macalicious2011]

Are they still updating 2020?

There will be a world map update in Q1. That might be the last one for 2020. Not a big deal as there are lots of downloadable third party options.

 

[avro707]

This is the A380 in action - using a Mac Pro 2019 / 28 core 2.5ghz and W6800X 32GB:

Although I have dual W6800X Duos they do nothing for Flight Simulator, they work they same as a standard single W6800. One GPU works hard, the other three have a holiday…

I won't go to MSFS 2024 until I know it runs solidly and the A380 runs properly in it.

I was really hoping to move over to 2024 quickly for the performance improvements on machines with lots of processor cores.

 

[Regulus67]

This is the A380 in action - using a Mac Pro 2019 / 28 core 2.5ghz and W6800X 32GB:

Thanks for the videos. I don't know why, but I enjoy watching how people use a flightsim.
And knowing it is you, with the 7.1, makes it even more exciting 🥰

edit: to top it off, the engine sounds should come from the built in speaker on the 7.1 😂

 

[avro707]

edit: to top it off, the engine sounds should come from the built in speaker on the 7.1 😂

I've got a Bose Soundbar 700 and bass module. So when those engines start up, you hear it AND feel it.

Maybe I can pull off a Melbourne Sydney flight now that I'm getting used to the A380 systems.


On the MSFS 2024 front, Fenix, the addon developer of smaller Airbus single-aisle airliners (also advanced simulations) has their planes running in 2024:

Fenix Simulations

www.fenixsim.com

It's not perfect according to the post on the MSFS official forum but it is working. Seems that given the Fenix plane isn't a fully native addon (I suppose it runs a lot of systems separately), it was less affected by the MSFS changes from 2020-2024.

PMDG on the other hand looks to be some time away.

 

[Regulus67]

Maybe I can pull off a Melbourne Sydney flight now that I'm getting used to the A380 systems.


On the MSFS 2024 front, Fenix, the addon developer of smaller Airbus single-aisle airliners (also advanced simulations) has their planes running in 2024:

I just discovered an app that might be useful for dual GPUs, like the Radeon Pro W6800x Duo.
What do you think?
I have not played games lately, so haven't tested it myself

I tested a $7 app that boosts FPS and resolution in any PC game. It's amazing!

With this simple Steam Store purchase, you can get most of the benefits of Nvidia's DLSS 4 and AMD's FSR even without the latest graphics cards.

www.pcworld.com

 

[dmccloud]

I just discovered an app that might be useful for dual GPUs, like the Radeon Pro W6800x Duo.
What do you think?
I have not played games lately, so haven't tested it myself

I tested a $7 app that boosts FPS and resolution in any PC game. It's amazing!

With this simple Steam Store purchase, you can get most of the benefits of Nvidia's DLSS 4 and AMD's FSR even without the latest graphics cards.

www.pcworld.com

One thing to keep in mind there - any sort of frame generation will also have a corresponding increase in input latency. Nvidia's 50 series has gotten quite a bit of bad press regarding how much their frame generation has affected input latency, in some cases making titles unplayable.

 

[avro707]

I just discovered an app that might be useful for dual GPUs, like the Radeon Pro W6800x Duo.

I have not been using Flight Simulator lately either. I will have to take the W6800X Duos out of the other computer and put them in the machine with Flight Simulator and see how it goes. I've a lot of other things happening at the moment so it will have to wait.

It looks quite interesting though.

I might grab the old RX6600XT 8GB card again and find my Belkin power cables and see how it does with this setup and the normal W6800X 32GB.