I agree with this. I have an i5, gf has the iPad mini, and I have the Surface Pro. and say what you will but the Surface makes the iPad look like a child's toy. not saying it sucks but they need a major overhaul not just with the look of iOS but the feel of it. I will admit win8 on the pro feels extremely fluid with its gesture functionalities and its OS is the best looking one, way ahead of iOS and android. now before you say metro sucks and is ugly, ask yourselves why iOS 7 is going to be flatter and more simplistic, as HTC and Google has done with some of their newer designs.
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Microsoft Inaccurately Depicts Windows Tablet as Larger than iPad in New Comparison Ad
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I agree with this. I have an i5, gf has the iPad mini, and I have the Surface Pro. and say what you will but the Surface makes the iPad look like a child's toy. not saying it sucks but they need a major overhaul not just with the look of iOS but the feel of it. I will admit win8 on the pro feels extremely fluid with its gesture functionalities and its OS is the best looking one, way ahead of iOS and android. now before you say metro sucks and is ugly, ask yourselves why iOS 7 is going to be flatter and more simplistic, as HTC and Google has done with some of their newer designs.
I'm going to go ahead and stick my neck out on this one and probably get hung but oh well... I have both an iPad and an Asus VivoRT. What I gathered from the ad is this. The iPad is meant to be held vertically and the VivoRT is meant to be held horizontally. The iPad has a larger vertical touchspace and the VivoRT has a larger horizontal touchspace and I find myself holding the iPad vertically when browsing the internet, looking at e-mail, or playing games which is what most of us use it for. That just seemed to be common sense when it came to the ad. Or maybe I'm the one who things illogically.
On top of that I will say this. I've used Apple for 15 years now. I've had an iBook an eMac (yeah they actually existed), 12" Powerbook and 3 13" MacBook Pros. I also have had every generation of an iPhone except the 5. Between the iPad 4 and the Vivo RT the VivoRT beats the iPad hands down. For a desktop/laptop OS Apple hands down beats Windows 8. For a tablet OS
Windows 8 is so much better and the way I believe tablets are heading. I like being able to dock my tablet onto a keyboard and turn it into essentially a touchscreen netbook with a full on office suite. I use metro as the tablet interface and when I decide to do productive work I pull up the desktop and have full on Office available (and yes it is the full programs, other then macros) with a almost normal keyboard (The keys are smaller but fully capable but also the dock includes another battery so essentially I can have 14 hours of life on it. When the tablet has battery left and not plugged in it charges the tablet instead of having to keep it in the dock). I know not all Win 8 tablets can do that, even Microsoft's own surface can't do it and that's why I got a VivoRT.
On top of that I will say this. I've used Apple for 15 years now. I've had an iBook an eMac (yeah they actually existed), 12" Powerbook and 3 13" MacBook Pros. I also have had every generation of an iPhone except the 5. Between the iPad 4 and the Vivo RT the VivoRT beats the iPad hands down. For a desktop/laptop OS Apple hands down beats Windows 8. For a tablet OS
Windows 8 is so much better and the way I believe tablets are heading. I like being able to dock my tablet onto a keyboard and turn it into essentially a touchscreen netbook with a full on office suite. I use metro as the tablet interface and when I decide to do productive work I pull up the desktop and have full on Office available (and yes it is the full programs, other then macros) with a almost normal keyboard (The keys are smaller but fully capable but also the dock includes another battery so essentially I can have 14 hours of life on it. When the tablet has battery left and not plugged in it charges the tablet instead of having to keep it in the dock). I know not all Win 8 tablets can do that, even Microsoft's own surface can't do it and that's why I got a VivoRT.
I'm not arguing that one is not larger then the other. The facts are clear. I am saying that there are different ways to compare things. And bigger in one measurement is often not bigger in another measurement. MS chose the diagonal cause it fits their argument. But the backlash for this forced them to remove that from the ad.
They said screen the screen was larger, not the diagonal. Unless you're dealing with a one dimensional "screen", a measurement along one axis is not an accurate measurement of screen size. This is taught in elementary school. They removed it because it was a false statement. As you say, the facts are clear.
I'm an Apple fanboy and have never been a big fan of the iPad. I go from my iPhone to my 11" MacBook Air. If you want to be more productive with your tablet that you want to be more like a laptop then why not just use a laptop? (PC, Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, whatever) If you are truly serious about using a device for business, music, design, whatever then why mess with a tablet in the first place?
I think the demographic Microsoft is looking for is a small minority. People mainly want a tablet for entertainment. It urks me that Apple is adding iOS elements to Mac OS. If I wanted an iPad then I would use an iPad. I guess someday there will be some hybrid system that combines both worlds well but I think it's still a long way off.
It's good to see Microsoft being ambitious and innovative with their metro interface but it isn't intuitive to also throw it on top of non touch systems with Windows 8. Their biggest customer base is PC and they've managed to piss off the majority of them because of this.
This is a shame because it will probably turn off a lot of them from wanting to try Windows 8 on a touch device where the metro interface works well. At least Apple hasn't gone this extreme with Mac OS (at least not yet anyway). I guess I'm part old school and new school and like keeping both worlds separate.
I think the demographic Microsoft is looking for is a small minority. People mainly want a tablet for entertainment. It urks me that Apple is adding iOS elements to Mac OS. If I wanted an iPad then I would use an iPad. I guess someday there will be some hybrid system that combines both worlds well but I think it's still a long way off.
It's good to see Microsoft being ambitious and innovative with their metro interface but it isn't intuitive to also throw it on top of non touch systems with Windows 8. Their biggest customer base is PC and they've managed to piss off the majority of them because of this.
This is a shame because it will probably turn off a lot of them from wanting to try Windows 8 on a touch device where the metro interface works well. At least Apple hasn't gone this extreme with Mac OS (at least not yet anyway). I guess I'm part old school and new school and like keeping both worlds separate.
I think you learn about area in Grade 4 or so.
Edit: Here you go http://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/area.html
"The size of a surface."
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Nothing brings out the indignant fanboys like a totally meaningless article regarding something sneaky that Microsoft has done. I guess everybody has to weigh in for their team. I mean, how dare Microsoft???
It brings out the trolls anyway. It was most likely an honest mistake by Microsoft, I don't really care about that. It's just hilarious (and sad at the same time) to see people trying to dispute facts.
You stated that the way for measuring screen size was not debatable. This is a 13 page thread doing just that. Microsoft should have just left it at 10.1 vs 9.7 as it is in the modified ad and people can draw their own conclusions about aspect ratio. I remember when TV's went from 4:3 to widescreen and nobody advertised that their 32' widescreen had less surface area than a 27" 4:3 set. Screen size has always used the diagonal for measurement and surface area is never mentioned no matter what the product. Microsoft should have left it at that, which they did a few hours after the initial ad.
I don't think many people are disputing the facts so much as pointing out it's a completely pointless thing to argue about to begin with.
Yeah, MS messed up by saying their 10.1 inch screen was slightly larger than iPad's 9.7, and/or scaled the tablets evenly on their little chart. So what? It's an advertisement. They fudge the facts all the time.
Are we as a society so bored that we're willing to dig up pointless minutiae as a way to strengthen our own opinions of our chose brand of whatever? It's ridiculous.
Pathetic.
Stupid.
Dumb.
Pointless.
Idiotic.
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You and I have a different definition of debate. Talking to a wall doesn't qualify. Although I must admit that it's stupid to keep talking to a wall for 13 pages, so this will be my last post.
I agree, as that would be accurate, while still misleading in Microsoft's favor. That's normally what you aim for in advertising.
I remember plenty of discussion about it.
Diagonal and aspect ratio/resolution are always provided. A diagonal without the aspect ratio would be worthless. Area can be calculated from those two quite easily. The diagonal measurement is used most often because people are normally comparing screens of the same aspect ratio, so it allows a person to estimate its relative size. Obviously this breaks down when aspect ratios change, as it did here.
I had the Vivo Tab and it's a piece of crap. It's clunky, the OS is slow as heck on it and it's cheaply built. I'm not a fan of the iPad because I still think Apple is deliberately crippling it (they should offer a pro version) and I actually like W8 on tablets, but using the Vivo as a good example for what a tablet is supposed to look like is like using a mid-90s Ford as a good example for car manufacturing.
Microsoft needs to get its act together and release a tablet that
- has a significantly higher PPI than the current W8 devices
- is lighter
- is FASTER
- is running W8
if they can pull that off, they have a serious contender for the business and pro-sumer sector.
Microsoft needs to get its act together and release a tablet that
- has a significantly higher PPI than the current W8 devices
- is lighter
- is FASTER
- is running W8
if they can pull that off, they have a serious contender for the business and pro-sumer sector.
Measuring screen size as diagonal when the objects are of the same proportions is the perfectly acceptable norm. Nobody is debating that. But choosing this one measurement to compare two essentially differently shaped objects is nonsense. The fact that a bunch of people who obviously don't know better want to argue against this, in spite of being corrected does not make the issue "debatable" any more than someone claiming that green grass is purple makes the fact that 'grass is green' debatable.
If you remember correctly, when when 'WideScreen' TVs debuted, they started on the smaller end of the spectrum. Before they really took off, when someone advertised a 30" widescreen TV, people would quickly point out that that was smaller than one of the 'regular' 30" TVs. I remember hearing a lot of discussions between sales people and customers in various electronics stores where the differences were explained. But side by side, people could see that a 30" 4:3 TV was bigger than a 30" 16:9 TV.
Yeah I remember that, I also remember that nobody claimed that their new 16:9 32" product has a larger screen than their old 4:3 27" one.
Yeah, because the aspect ratios were the same.
Of course they corrected it. It's a valid reason to get sued.
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Except misrepresenting can go up to a certain point, after that it's lawsuit time. There's a limit to how much you can bend reality in an advertisement. Probably Microsoft realised that they can get sued over this and changed it immediately.
And I'd bet that the average consumer wouldn't know the difference unless they compared them side by side.
You must have glossed over most of the thread then. Because there are quite a few people on here who are continuing to argue that the Asus whatever it is, has a larger screen than the iPad. There's a handful of those posts on every page it seems.
Personally, I don't care about the ad. This isn't just a Brand X v Y thread - It's a matter of standing up for mathematical facts! That's worth fighting for.
This isn't just a Brand X v Y thread - It's a matter of standing up for mathematical facts! That's worth fighting for.
Well, if math's at stake, I guess it's alright...
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No I do not remember that TV COMMERCIAL. Please link to the TV COMMERCIAL where you saw this.
Than you
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Actually they also said a larger touchscreen which is not true.
Is it a tv ad or print? I didn't even see it, I'm assuming the author of the story did.
Okay, It's a tv ad. Nevermind, watch is correct. Now I just sound like a jerk. My internet rep took a step back.
You losers have nothing better to do than to chicken fight over < 2 square inches of space? How petty your life is.
Larger is relative. It is larger diagonally, so how they are lying? How many of you have looked at a 4:3 and 16:9 TV and said the 16:9 TV was larger, when in reality the 4:3 was heavier and had more total space. Of course, no die hard Apple fan is going to admit they're wrong.
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You can also have a Chevy 327 that is larger (has more horsepower) than a Chevy 350, yet the 350 is much larger physically. You can have a "bigger" computer that outruns everything on the block, but all stuffed in an USPS Flat Rate box.
Use your own life examples to determine what "larger" is. I'm sure none of you will be able to logically do that as cracked out Apple fanboys.
Finally, how does a 16:9 movie look on the whatever that was vs a 16:9 movie on the iPad? Much better, as it is more symmetrical for the 16:9 movie. Common sense wins. Case closed.
Larger is relative. It is larger diagonally, so how they are lying? How many of you have looked at a 4:3 and 16:9 TV and said the 16:9 TV was larger, when in reality the 4:3 was heavier and had more total space. Of course, no die hard Apple fan is going to admit they're wrong.
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larger Adjective
Synonyms
bigger - major - more - greater
Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary
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You can also have a Chevy 327 that is larger (has more horsepower) than a Chevy 350, yet the 350 is much larger physically. You can have a "bigger" computer that outruns everything on the block, but all stuffed in an USPS Flat Rate box.
Use your own life examples to determine what "larger" is. I'm sure none of you will be able to logically do that as cracked out Apple fanboys.
Finally, how does a 16:9 movie look on the whatever that was vs a 16:9 movie on the iPad? Much better, as it is more symmetrical for the 16:9 movie. Common sense wins. Case closed.
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