I have perspective. Have you read my posts? I think the outcry is funny. It's as if Microsoft robbed people's houses and beat kittens.
I also keep pointing out that the ad's been fixed. So what's the argument now?
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Microsoft Inaccurately Depicts Windows Tablet as Larger than iPad in New Comparison Ad
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I have perspective. Have you read my posts? I think the outcry is funny. It's as if Microsoft robbed people's houses and beat kittens.
I also keep pointing out that the ad's been fixed. So what's the argument now?
Actually............rescaling a competitor's product in a side by side visual comparison, reinforced by statements on which is "larger", is what's
Pathetic.
Stupid.
Dumb.
Pointless.
Idiotic.
Delusional if you don't think Apple or any other company ever engaged in misleading marketing to some degree...
And if that's not what you mean, you make it sound like you do.
Yes, diagonal measurement is used to advertise screen size, and that's fine. BUT, you cannot use diagonal measurement to compare sizes if the two objects you are comparing are not the same shape! The iPad, and this Asus tablet are NOT the same shape!
Saying the Asus has a larger diagonal - is perfectly OK. Saying that the Asus is wider when used in landscape - is perfectly OK. Saying the iPad is taller when used in landscape - is perfectly OK. But none of those measurements alone can be used to compare overall screen size by itself because you have two different shapes of rectangle. The only measurement for 'size' that levels the differences, and is therefore accurate in this case, is area.
Know what I've not even watched the ad, as I seriously don't care I can't figure why people care so much on EITHER side, people just keep re-hashing the same crap move on.
So you felt the same way when Apple went against court order and was too cute/over-reached when they had to issue a specific ad regarding the court case against Samsung in the UK. That was also dumb and appearing desperate - right?
Newsflash - no one cares. The ad was fixed almost immediately. The only people who care are on Apple forums. And they aren't really the primary target market.
I guess you can argue that those that already hate Microsoft have yet another reason to hate them. So what.
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I agree. But you cared enough to post in the thread. Just like me. But in regards to the "issue" - there is none. The general public never saw the ad - or very very few. And it's hardly some monumental mistake. There are at least a billion (ok exaggerating) other marketing and advertising blunders that would come before this miniscule one.
Again, you're not the target user. You are the tech geek. You probably are better off with a Surface. But just because someone is not comfortable using an advanced computing system does NOT mean they are a dummy.
On the level of the tech geek, the reason you don't have real multitasking in iOS is to conserve battery life. Once again most people would rather have 10 hr battery then widgets animating and updating all the time.
All true. And, even though all true, in the world of advertising, msft still could have gotten away with its questionable "larger" claim if it hadn't coupled it with a visual misrepresentation--rescaling a competitor's product. That went beyond "puffing". That was deceptive advertising. That was a no no. To even attempt that was incredibly dumb. Msft shot itself in the foot unnecessarily.
No, it is the standard way screen size is marketed.
Not if the aspect ration of the movie is 4:3.
How something is marketed and how it is measured are two different things. Again, the size of TV screens was marketed by diagonal because it was a convenient, straightforward number to compare when the aspect ratio was the same.
We continue to use it out of tradition, even though it no longer corresponds to relative screen size with devices that vary in aspect ratio.
I consider there to be a big difference between "ever [engaging] in misleading marketing to some degree" and claiming that "Apple does [inaccurate advertising] all the time, everyone else does too."
I'm not attacking you personally I'm just saying you're also taking this too seriously and I've now posted three times (and last) to your alot more than three.
As much as the Apple lovers need to calm down, I think you need to also, go and have a beer and a KK and smell the roses
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...wow. Is this what everyone is getting so worked up about? Man. You people need to take up some hobbies. I mean really. This is pathetic.
Lol, this was an awesome post and illustrates quite handily how utterly stupid people look in scrutinizing this minutiae.
Is this the same ad as the one where Microsoft uses Siri to point out the ipad's faults? I thought that ad was genius and hilarious, can someone find a link to it? It's especially eye opening to see the $699 64gb ipad versus the $449 64gb SmartTab. Nobody will pry my windows tablet from my dead cold hands.
And isn't 10.1 larger than 9.7? I'm terrible at math so I'm sure it's some self inflicted stupidity why I can't figure it out. I understand the resolution is greater on the ipad so you can display more on it, but physically why wouldn't 10.1 be larger than 9.7? I mean we measure Televisions and computer screens diagonally and have pretty much forever haven't we?
edit: I realize that marketing diagonal size is different than actually measuring physical dimensions, so I can agree with that as a discrepancy.
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God, the stupidity of it all.
Samsung's lawyers were there. Do you think they would have stood there with their mouths kept shut if Apple had done anything that was wrong in that situation in court? Seriously? All the people on MacRumors know that evil Apple was pulling the wool over the judge's eyes, and these fine Samsung lawyers didn't notice? Are you saying Samsung's lawyers are stupid? The truth was that in this situation, in the discussion whether Samsung's tablet infringes on a design patent, the width / height ratio doesn't matter. Whether it's 16:9 or 3:2 doesn't make a difference to a design patent. That's why Samsung's lawyers didn't say a thing, because they _knew_ the judge wouldn't have cared.
This confuses me, how people can not understand that people like tablets. This thing called the ipad, it became pretty popular in case you didn't notice. Now combine that with a "real" computer and you have something pretty darn powerful. What's a laptop going to give me? A better keyboard? Even though I don't personally love the Surface Pro, I think they quite handily solved that problem.
Now if you start talking about larger screens, bigger processors, etc etc you just are not comparing apples to apples anymore. Plus even that argument won't hold water anymore as more windows tablets come out you will see a variety of sizes, and also processing power, etc etc, just as much as today you see a huge variety of laptops. Heck there are even a couple of 20" tablets out there now, one of them has the Haswell setup so it should be more than powerful enough for graphics, music, design, etc.
Actually, many people _think_ they are the same because it is the same number, and then they can't figure out why their 30" 16:9 TV seems smaller than their 30" 4:3 TV... Was worse a few years ago when you still had lots of 4:3 programs and the 16:9 TV had massive black bars on the side.
Unfortunately for your dramatic performance, that's not actually what the original post was pointing out as inaccurate.
Not much different than when Apple provided courts "evidence" against Samsung regarding phone sizes and conveniently sized their phones to match.
Not too many people had a problem with Apple doing that. And that was for evidence for a lawsuit.
Two problems with your post:
1) It was tablets, not phones.
2) The document in question explicitly stated that the images had been re-sized, *and* that the size was irrelevant for the comparison being made.
In comparison, here the size was deemed important enough to mention twice as a selling factor *and* only one of the three methods of showing the relative size was correct.
1) Out-of-scale image comparison showing ASUS device has a larger touchscreen (incorrect)
2) Explicit claim that the touchscreen is larger (incorrect)
3) Measured diagonals (correct)
In truth, the touchscreens are quite similar in size, but the ASUS device has a slightly *smaller* touchscreen.
No, as demonstrated in this very article, using simple mathematics, the ASUS device's screen is about 3.5% *SMALLER*. It may be slightly *wider*, but it is significantly *narrower*.
The iPad states an AirPrint printer is required. I don't have one but I've had to setup an AirPrint printer for my relatives who got an ipad. They had a wireless printer before but they could never print to it.
Yes because all tech sites report the screen size by square inches
Let's be realistic, it is the standard in every way
Yes because all tech sites report the screen size by square inches
Let's be realistic, it is the standard in every way
You know what's amusing. For YEARS in the television world - people kept insisting that their standard TVs had a bigger picture vs widescreen.
Sometimes it's not even about the screen size - but how it's used.
IE - if you're playing a movie - what size screen nets you the better/bigger picture?
Yes because all tech sites report the screen size by square inches
Let's be realistic, it is the standard in every way
As I said, we still use the diagonal out of tradition, even though it is not an accurate way to compare relative screen size across aspect ratios.
If two displays have the same *aspect ratio*, then it is indeed possible to accurately compare the two sizes with the single, diagonal measurement. That (and the fact that the diagonal is larger than either the width or height measurements) is why screens have historically been listed by their diagonal measurement.
Anybody who has passed elementary school geometry can see that when you have differing aspect ratios, the only way to determine which screen is larger is to compare their surface area.
Case in point, given three displays, all with the same 12" diagonal, which is largest:
a) 11.958" x 1" (11.958 sq. in)
b) 11.619" x 3" (34.857 sq. in)
c) 10.392" x 6" (62.352 sq. in)
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