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Microsoft Introduces Thinner Surface Pro 3 with 12" Display Starting at $799

HenryDJP said:
You're missing the point entirely.
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What?

That they should have gone after companies that doing so could actually affect them negatively? You got me. They should have gone after Android, so the OEMs that make Android devices could just blatantly not make WP devices. :|

That makes perfect sense.

Tagbert said:
Probably because it is about documents and not videos. 16:9 is awful for documents.
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I know that now.

SlCKB0Y said:
The longer an OS has been in the wild, the more compromised it will get. In 10 years you'll find windows 8 has a much higher ratio
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I'll take conjecture based on nothing for 1000.

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osofast240sx said:
I won't buy Microsoft because between 1990 and 2003 I've went through about 20 laptops and desktops all which have bricked. I've lost thousands of pictures. Since 2003 I purchased one laptop omg is an Apple laptop and it still works!!! I'm DONE with PC hardware!!!!!! Been there done that!!!!
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I didn't know Microsoft sold PCs in that time period. :|

Edit: Also, your Mac is PC hardware.

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osofast240sx said:
the iPad is the best point of sale device out there. It has zero learning curve, perfect for busmiess.
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BWAHAHAHA.

Oh, you're serious that you think there's NO learning curve to an iPad.
 
Michael Goff said:
What?

That they should have gone after companies that doing so could actually affect them negatively? You got me. They should have gone after Android, so the OEMs that make Android devices could just blatantly not make WP devices. :|

That makes perfect sense.



I know that now.



I'll take conjecture based on nothing for 1000.

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I didn't know Microsoft sold PCs in that time period. :|

Edit: Also, your Mac is PC hardware.
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u know what I mean# but I will explain if needed
 
osofast240sx said:
u know what I mean# but I will explain if needed
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You will have to.

There is just about no difference between the hardware in the Surface Pro 3 and the MacBook Air. Just because OEMs used to make crappy hardware back then doesn't mean Microsoft makes bad stuff now.
 
subsonix said:
It's only a compromise if you think that bigger is always better.



True, but the product itself is a compromise, a true laptop or tablet is a more focused product. If you prefer convenience of transportation over user experience, then I guess it's a compromise you are willing to take.
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Exactly.
 
HenryDJP said:
Uh let's not play with each other man. This article is about the Surface Pro 3 unless somehow I misread the article title and it's really about the Samsung Galaxy S5. :rolleyes:
Instead acting so self-righteous (and I'm saying this because you talk as if people don't troll Apple forums) why you don't take a surf to a few Microsoft enthusiast boards or Android enthusiast boards. One mention of Apple products from an "outsider" and people make the most rude responses and throw insults. Same thing I see on CNET. when the article is about Samsung, Android or Microsoft, their fanboys attack anyone that mentions Apple, especially if that person makes valid points. When the article is about a "new tech" product from Apple the then Anti-Apple people troll those CNET articles and they waste no time coming here to troll Apple-related articles.

I just love how people come here and expect MacRumors members to remain civil when others can't be about Apple. There is more criticism about Apple right here on MR but according to you people here don't seem to be allowed to criticize non-Apple products. And newsflash, there are many people that just don't like Microsoft and it doesn't matter what they make, they will be criticized for it.

Actually I haven't even criticized the Surface Pro 3 other than the fact that it didn't have LTE. I thought it was a nice product. It's just not for me. But if you guys expect an Apple enthusiast board (YES, Apple enthusiast) , (this place is called "Mac"Rumors,) to sing the praises of non-Apple products all the time then you're not being realistic.
Even on MR Apple releases a new product it gets tons of criticism for what Apple missed or didn't do or just to criticize for no reason making baseless statements. So if you expect these same people to praise non-Apple products you've registered on the wrong forum.
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Because Apple enthusiasts universally claim to be better than everyone else, and therefore should be held to a higher standard?
 
Ericstephen said:
True. The percentage of iPad users that also use a laptop on a daily basis is under 50%. If you count the number of folks who tote around a tablet and laptop, that number is less than 10%. Very misleading. I'm embarrassed for Microsoft for throwing a slide like that up. Maybe they meant 96% of tech reporters.
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That's not what I see in my frequent travels. I see people using iPads for consumption applications but as soon as they have to do anything productive, like reply to an email with an attachment, the laptop comes out. This is at airports with mostly business folks. But even at Starbucks, I see people with both running simultaneously.
 
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osofast240sx said:
I won't buy Microsoft because between 1990 and 2003 I've went through about 20 laptops and desktops all which have bricked. I've lost thousands of pictures. Since 2003 I purchased one laptop omg is an Apple laptop and it still works!!! I'm DONE with PC hardware!!!!!! Been there done that!!!!
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I hear ya, between 2004 and 2010 I went throu about 18 Apple laptops, ipads and iphones which bricked. I also lost thousands of pictures. I've had a windows laptop since 2001 and it works perfectly, so I won't buy Apple for that reason.

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IbisDoc said:
Because Apple enthusiasts universally claim to be better than everyone else, and therefore should be held to a higher standard?
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Life is simpler if you just ignore him. I hate when the term "troll" is overused, which it is these days. But I think in this case it's perfectly fitting.
 
Michael Goff said:
What?

That they should have gone after companies that doing so could actually affect them negatively? You got me. They should have gone after Android, so the OEMs that make Android devices could just blatantly not make WP devices. :|

That makes perfect sense.
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It makes NO sense. You're talking about what-if's and future possibilities of products and it's so farfetched. "Oh please, don't attack Android because Samsung makes Android phones and they may not want to make Microsoft phones in the future". Gimme a break. :rolleyes:

I'm talking about attacking a company of which you make money from their very own customers. A company whom you have a business relationship with. Uh, there is a large Mac division of Microsoft right inside their headquarters if you weren't aware. ;)
 
HenryDJP said:
It makes NO sense. You're talking about what-if's and future possibilities of products and it's so farfetched. "Oh please, don't attack Android because Samsung makes Android phones and they may not want to make Microsoft phones in the future". Gimme a break. :rolleyes:

I'm talking about attacking a company of which you make money from their very own customers. A company whom you have a business relationship with. Uh, there is a large Mac division of Microsoft right inside their headquarters if you weren't aware. ;)
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Yes, and Apple doesn't give two craps if Microsoft attacks them. Apple customers, by and large, don't give a crap. It's like when Apple attacked Microsoft in the OS X commercials. The two companies are friendly enough with each other that a little back and forth doesn't matter.

It's like you're purposely ignoring reality just so you can be offended. :|
 
Michael Goff said:
You will have to.

There is just about no difference between the hardware in the Surface Pro 3 and the MacBook Air. Just because OEMs used to make crappy hardware back then doesn't mean Microsoft makes bad stuff now.
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My father-in-law just went through two Bricked windows laptops this year. These laptops were purchased from Best Buy. if Microsoft Plans to make superior Hardware, I hope they do make superior Hardware. Right now the best Windows laptop or desktop is a Mac running parallels or Boot Camp!
 
osofast240sx said:
I won't buy Microsoft because between 1990 and 2003 I've went through about 20 laptops and desktops all which have bricked. I've lost thousands of pictures. Since 2003 I purchased one laptop omg is an Apple laptop and it still works!!! I'm DONE with PC hardware!!!!!! Been there done that!!!!
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What bricked on the 20 computers.? Was it the same thing each time? Was it hardware or did Windows mess up 20 separate times? What brands of computers did you buy? I probably would have tried something different too if I bought 20 defective computers in 13 years, probably well before I bought 20. I give you an A for your persistence.
 
osofast240sx said:
My father-in-law just went through two Bricked windows laptops this year. These laptops were purchased from Best Buy. if Microsoft Plans to make superior Hardware, I hope they do make superior Hardware. Right now the best Windows laptop or desktop is a Mac running parallels or Boot Camp!
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You repeating the by-line doesn't make it true. I've used a MBA with Windows, the battery life is crap because of poorly optimized drivers. Also, the fact that two laptops were bricked says what about Microsoft hardware?

It'd be like saying that McDonalds burgers gave me food poisoning, so I won't eat at Burger King. :|
 
I think we all need to take a step back here and consider all the consumers NOT posting here. Like my wife, mother, grandpa etc.

People like this have an iPad because it doesn't have the baggage of a full PC OS. They won't be buying a Surface or a laptop.

The iPad was a success because it's not a full blown computer. The Surface is a niche product for business users toting two devices. It's not for the masses however great it is.
Many people simply don't want to deal with a full OS.

I don't want Windows or OSX on my tablet.
 
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osofast240sx said:
the iPad is the best point of sale device out there. It has zero learning curve, perfect for busmiess.
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So someone who has never seen an iPad or used iOS can pick it up and do anything they need to know without learning about its functions? Say someone wanted to go online and didn't know the Safari was a web browser? Or how to go back one screen there is no back button? Wouldn't that be a learning curve?

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spinedoc77 said:
It was mostly RT. The Pro sells at a 4:1 ratio to the RT model according to IDC. Hopefully RT dies soon.
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I was being sarcastic, I knew the big hit was the Surface RT. He has made some wild claims in this thread, especially the 20 failed Windows computers in 13 years.
 
IbisDoc said:
Because Apple enthusiasts universally claim to be better than everyone else, and therefore should be held to a higher standard?
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Get real. So basically you're saying it's okay for enthusiasts of other brands to criticize Apple because they are held to a lower standard? I assure you I can pull up an abundance of Microsoft and Android lovers who are sitting pretty high on their horse and will turn their nose up at anyone who gives in to the "Apple garden".

And show me where Apple enthusiasts UNIVERSALLY CLAIM to be better than everyone else. Oh, because I use Apple I feel I'm better than the guy that doesn't? Show me. Nothing but a baseless comment.

We're talking about consumers, not companies. Expecting Apple consumers to be held to higher standard is simply ridiculous.
 
osofast240sx said:
the iPad is the best point of sale device out there. It has zero learning curve, perfect for busmiess.
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Except that I can't demonstrate our products and services in it, since they don't run on iOS. So it is completely worthless to me as a sales tool.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
So someone who has never seen an iPad or used iOS can pick it up and do anything they need to know without learning about its functions? Say someone wanted to go online and didn't know the Safari was a web browser? Or how to go back one screen there is no back button? Wouldn't that be a learning curve?

Everything new requires a learning curve but the iPad is pretty simple. My 91 year old grandpa picked it up fairly fast. Isn't this why they've sold so many of them?
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bobob said:
The Type Cover 3 (10.5 ounces) is heavier than a Nexus 7 (10 ounces).
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Menneisyys2 said:
Apples to oranges.
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Perhaps, but I was surprised at just how heavy this one essential accessory is.

A person interested in a Surface Pro 3, might do well to consider a purpose-built ultrabook to get their real work done (for example, a Vaio Touch 11 weighs 1.92 lbs.), and then buy a Nexus 7 for a tablet for lighter use on the side.

When you consider the weight of the Surface Pro 3 at 1.76 lbs - - that makes a pretty heavy tablet for casual use.

As a comparison on the Apple side, how many people who have a one pound iPad Air, would look forward to returning to their 1.5 lb. first generation iPad?
 
bobob said:
Perhaps, but I was surprised at just how heavy this one essential accessory is.

A person interested in a Surface Pro 3, might do well to consider a purpose-built ultrabook to get their real work done (for example, a Vaio Touch 11 weighs 1.92 lbs.), and then buy a Nexus 7 for a tablet for lighter use on the side.

When you consider the weight of the Surface Pro 3 at 1.76 lbs - - that makes a pretty heavy tablet for casual use.

As a comparison on the Apple side, how many people who have a one pound iPad Air, would look forward to returning to their 1.5 lb. first generation iPad?
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Excellent point but the Vaio out of the picture now. :D
 
IJ Reilly said:
Suit yourself, but admit you are making a wild guess.

David Pogue thinks it's quite good.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-surface-pro-3-review-if-you-had-to-be-a-86496376264.html
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Oh I like this bit.

"And by the way, travelers: Remember that laptops and tablets are worlds apart when it comes to air travel. You can use a tablet (but not a laptop) during takeoff or landing. You can leave a tablet (but not a laptop) in your bag as it goes through the TSA scanner machines."

Thankfully they have the resources to endure past mistakes so that they are able to learn from them.
 
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