Yeah, I meant OSX, not Macs. My initial reply was to someone saying that industry doesn't need Windows anymore. The bottom line is that the world runs on Windows and it will not change for a foreseeable future.
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Yeah, I meant OSX, not Macs. My initial reply was to someone saying that industry doesn't need Windows anymore. The bottom line is that the world runs on Windows and it will not change for a foreseeable future.
The post I responded to stated that there was no learning curve, which is not true at all. However simple iOS may be, there is still a learning curve and that was my point.
I don't know what they use at Apple but I know they use Excel. And I highly doubt that their backbone runs on OSX. I'm really curious what softwares/ERPs are available for non-Windows.
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Really?? As far as I know, Numbers don't even has pivot table.
Ok how many of these people who have a laptop and an iPad actively use both? I can tell you I'm one of the 96% but I can't remember the last time I used my PC. I had my PC before I got an iPad, but since then I rarely use it. I would be curious to see stats on how many active iPad and MacBook owners there are that would prefer one device for everything. I still think there are certain form factors that just make sense, and the laptop with a heavy base and lighter display is one of them. It's easier for balancing on your lap, and it provides a better keyboard/trackpad experience. I don't see this as Microsoft reimagining the laptop so much as them still trying to shoehorn a PC into a tablet.
Also as I said in my previous post I find it curious that they're targeting Mac owners and going after Mac price points. I guess they can't really go after Windows OEMs, but the Mac share is small and I imagine the share of Mac owners interested in leaving the platform is even smaller. Something else I don't get is this is the complete opposite of their Windows Phone strategy which is mostly targeting the low end. Quite honestly I think Chromebooks are a bigger problem for Microsoft than iPads or Macs. I don't see Surface Pro 3 taking share away from them. And since Microsoft had a special event just for Surface Pro it seems that's the device they're really pushing, not Surface (RT).
It's not really a wild guess. This is a refinement of a product that is already two generations old and has been nothing but a niche. (He admits as such right at the beginning) This is a nice improvement, but in order to be really successful, a device needs to be really really good at something. This remains both sub-par when compared to a good ultrabook and a good tablet. The ONLY people this appeals to is the tiny minority of users for whom an ultrabook and an ultralight tablet are too much to bear. That's not much of a market to go after.
Yes. MacRumors.com. Not timcookpoppedmycherry.com, not ihatewindows.com.
One can be perfectly interested in news and rumors about upcoming Apple products AND at the same time be interested in other technology as well without getting emotionally attached to any of it.
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It is a compromise regardless of opinion. You are giving up screen size and processing power for portability and battery life. That is pretty much the definition of compromise.
Your point is understandable but to say the world will continue to use Windows and won't change for a foreseeable future is stretching it a bit.
Blackberry was once the ONLY cellular phone to be taken seriously in the business world and look now.
Corporations already have well adopted to iOS, OS X and Android. It's only a matter of time. Microsoft is still struggling to get people to even care about Windows Phone. Besides, don't you think the world would be in a better place if it were OS agnostic? There's absolutely no reason why the world should or needs to be ran on Windows.
You trust the fact that a lot of the reason why Windows dominates is due to companies refusing to change. Case in point, the China Republic refused to use Windows 8. While they are still on Windows, they refused to upgrade.
Banking institutions are still on XP. I've worked at a bank and I know a few friends that work at major banking institutions and they aren't even using Windows 7. But the fact is they are adopting to iOS. They fully support it virtually every bank has an iPad or iPhone app or both. The world is moving away from Windows, but just not quickly.
You wont buy Microsoft because products that were not done or designed by Microsoft in any way, shape or form failed? That is precisely the sort of irrational manufacturer bashing I'm talking about.
It's as you say a compromise regardless of what product you buy, on top of that, it's also a compromise on ports, after market upgrade and keyboard, and on the dual interface software. The usual compromises doesn't go away, but this adds new ones, inherent in the product it self.
It's a very strange argument, as if all compromises are equal and the same.
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They did kind of make a dock. The apple thunderbolt display has a bunch of extra ports on it. However, it is expensive.
Well sure, if a laptop is what you need. For my use, a laptop is a rather poor form factor. The portability does not matter one bit for me 95 % of the time, as it just sits in a dock on my desk. And when I am on the go, I need to carry a remote control for presentations, a notebook/sketchpad for notes and grow another pair of arms to juggle all of that.
Yep, I wouldn't get one for casual use. Just the price would turn me away. That's why I have an iPad.
Migrating from Windows to other OS at the enterprise level is not same as simply changing the phone. Yes, almost all major bank/financial institutions have apps for iOS but the enterprise won't run on iOS and I do not see another OS that can compete with Windows at enterprise level at this time, hence I used the word 'foreseeable future'.
Then again, it adds some features that simply are not available elsewhere. Like said, I need a portable computer, but the laptop as a form factor is poor for me. This, OTOH, is a (near) perfect form factor, so it's a compromise that I'm happy to make.
But what does this version add that the other two did not have, my initial point was that the most defining feature of this, compared to the older ones is the new $799 core i3 option. But is that enough to make this into a new product category, this 3rd time around. It remains to be seen.
It seems like most have ignored the RT version, will regular tablet, or die hard laptop users go for this.
And me calling this an Apple enthusiast forum doesn't suggest any of that. You're taking this too far.
Also, thanks for not answering my question. I asked you earlier why you were still here attacking people? You said you were buying the Surface Pro 3 because that's what you needed. So why are you here attacking people still? And please don't say you're not. Calling people here "Rabid Fools" is very attacking. You seem to have a problem with people preferring Apple over Windows. That's your problem man. It has nothing to do with people not willing to be open tech outside of Apple.
They had to move it because the touch-cover can cover that part of the Surface in some configurations.
And, yeah, the iconic Windows logo is totally the same as a round button. Sneaky Microsoft...!! They should put the capacitive button without any sign or mark on it!
Well, it seems Apple paranoia is finally getting to their customers...
Also, Surface Pro 3 is not a "landscape product". It seems that it can be used very well in portrait thanks to the new screen ratio (1.50:1, o 3:2).
I said from a glance... You cannot even deny that a 2:3 screened tablet with a silver edge/back and a logo/button at the bottom looks like an iPad from first glance. And everything still advertises it as a landscape device with a keyboard attached so I stand by that statement also. It's a desktop OS, no one uses that vertically unless it's a secondary monitor.
The untold downside to the Surface is the low quality touch apps. As a Dell Venue 8 Pro owner, some of the apps that you would use every day are either terrible or nonexistent on the store yet. For instance, Mail has a bunch of issues. One is that hyperlinks in text-based emails are not highlighted, so you can't click them to open a webpage. Another is a lack of unified inbox. Also, i often get errors with gmail. I've had to instead use the gmail web app for email, which is not optimized for touch either. Calendar does not sync with google, so I've had to use the google calendar web app too. That one is even worse for touch.
That said, some apps are pretty good. The built-in news, finance, and sports apps are pretty good. A few others, like the popular youtube app, are perhaps even superior to their iOS counterparts made by google. The Facebook app is also good. Still, a lack of some well-known apps and the utter failure that is Mail will depreciate the platform until fixes arrive.
Wow, I thought Pogue was an Apple guy? He really loves the SP3.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-surface-pro-3-review-if-you-had-to-be-a-86496376264.html
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/microsoft-surface-pro-3-review-if-you-had-to-be-a-86496376264.html
I'd argue that the keyboard isn't essential at all. I am seriously considering buying one to replace the Macbook Air and iPad i use at work, and I wouldn't buy the keyboard. The stylus would provide all the input I'd want away from the desk.
True about Win8 apps. But the benefit / bonus compromise of going with a device running full Windows 8.1 is the access to all Windows x86 based programs that exist, or ever existed. While they might not be touch optimized, they are there. This makes Windows 8.1 (pro) the largest ecosystem in the world.
It has nothing to with the OS. There's not a single thing about Windows that makes it work "better" in the business world. It was a monopoly created by Microsoft and the use of their server tools coupled with Windows helped them to create that. Banking institutions are certainly not remaining on Windows due to preference. It's near impossible to change. That's all. I KNOW. I worked in one for years.
If this ran OS X I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Let's have an iPad that runs a REAL operating system!
Why not stylus support?
Why not USB?
Why not a card slot?
Just a content vehicle isn't where it's at anymore. While you're at it, why not FLASH support?
IOS isn't it. Hope someone from Apple market research reads these postings.
Let's have an iPad that runs a REAL operating system!
Why not stylus support?
Why not USB?
Why not a card slot?
Just a content vehicle isn't where it's at anymore. While you're at it, why not FLASH support?
IOS isn't it. Hope someone from Apple market research reads these postings.
It doesn't. It has SUMIFS() which does the exact same thing, I am very happy to have discovered just this past Monday.