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Microsoft Launches Site to Lure MacBook Switchers to Surface Pro 3
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Don't kid yourself, the majority of Mac users were Windows users first. Most Mac users KNOW Windows probably better than they know the Mac OS.
The thing I don't get with the Microsoft Store is the inability to get the professional software there, or anyone that knows anything about it.
I go in, and ask, "I'd like a copy of Exchange 2013, and 10 client licenses. I already have Windows Server 2012, and I'd like to install it on those."
"Ummmm.... I don't think we have that. That's a cloud thing, right?"
"No, it's software that lets you run a mail server on your own servers. You do have a cloud version, but I'd rather have it on my own servers."
"..."
MS definitely did a good job at perfecting the Surface, but for me that product still doesn't feel right.
Firstly, there's the high price tag that throws people off (and remember that the price has been a selling point for Windows PC vs Mac for a long time). So now people have an affordable Air, which they know is a great laptop, it feels solid, looks premium and is very sleek. Meanwhile MS wants them to buy their Surface, that looks weird and can't be easily used as a laptop and still feels quite awkward as a tablet.
So apart from the price, the Surface just feels like a collection of trade offs, just as all those Asuses, Acers etc feel for me. You get a keyboard, but it's weirdly thinner than the screen and it's not included "in the box", it's a laptop, but you can't use it like a laptop - yes, you have the kickstand, but it looks like an excuse, flimsy and just weird like on most "transformer" devices. When I see something like a kickstand I'm always thinking:
"Yep, that's what's gonna break first here".
Imagine that laptop is the computer you use in a lot of different environments, some of them confined in terms of space: train, bus etc. Sure, laptops took the place of home towers, but being able to use it both in and outside the house (without compromising on power and usability) is why they took the lead. And Air delivers in that department, while I would think twice before taking the Surface into the wild. With the Air or the Retina I don't have to think twice, when on the train, on the bus or basically anywhere else, I just take out the Macbook and start using it without spending too much time on setting it properly and comfortably. Whereas when I look at the Surface I can see myself struggling to find a good working position if I wanted to use it on a train for example: all that awkwardness of setting it up, for me it would feel like standing in a crowded subway, trying to read a book, while holding onto something and not disturbing other passengers at the same time.
Summing up, for me the Surface feels like most of these weird Windows OEM's concepts - like a gimmick. It has that WOW feature/factor, but that just looks nice in ads and not in real life, when you take that equipment into your hands and you imagine using it in your daily scenarios and you come to the conclusion: "Yeah that's nice, but why is it better again?"
Firstly, there's the high price tag that throws people off (and remember that the price has been a selling point for Windows PC vs Mac for a long time). So now people have an affordable Air, which they know is a great laptop, it feels solid, looks premium and is very sleek. Meanwhile MS wants them to buy their Surface, that looks weird and can't be easily used as a laptop and still feels quite awkward as a tablet.
So apart from the price, the Surface just feels like a collection of trade offs, just as all those Asuses, Acers etc feel for me. You get a keyboard, but it's weirdly thinner than the screen and it's not included "in the box", it's a laptop, but you can't use it like a laptop - yes, you have the kickstand, but it looks like an excuse, flimsy and just weird like on most "transformer" devices. When I see something like a kickstand I'm always thinking:
"Yep, that's what's gonna break first here".
Imagine that laptop is the computer you use in a lot of different environments, some of them confined in terms of space: train, bus etc. Sure, laptops took the place of home towers, but being able to use it both in and outside the house (without compromising on power and usability) is why they took the lead. And Air delivers in that department, while I would think twice before taking the Surface into the wild. With the Air or the Retina I don't have to think twice, when on the train, on the bus or basically anywhere else, I just take out the Macbook and start using it without spending too much time on setting it properly and comfortably. Whereas when I look at the Surface I can see myself struggling to find a good working position if I wanted to use it on a train for example: all that awkwardness of setting it up, for me it would feel like standing in a crowded subway, trying to read a book, while holding onto something and not disturbing other passengers at the same time.
Summing up, for me the Surface feels like most of these weird Windows OEM's concepts - like a gimmick. It has that WOW feature/factor, but that just looks nice in ads and not in real life, when you take that equipment into your hands and you imagine using it in your daily scenarios and you come to the conclusion: "Yeah that's nice, but why is it better again?"
Honestly the Surface Pro 3 is a really good device with a lot of potential.
The issue I have is what it runs Windows 8, and I have gotten beyond tired of Windows 8. It's a good OS behind the scenes, but sadly it is still loaded with bugs that Microsoft fails to address. Go to one of their forums, ask for help or post the bug and you'll get A LOT of responses from people saying they have the exact same issue, but then someone from Microsoft replies back pretty much saying that this is not a bug and something else is wrong with ALL of our systems.
The issue I have is what it runs Windows 8, and I have gotten beyond tired of Windows 8. It's a good OS behind the scenes, but sadly it is still loaded with bugs that Microsoft fails to address. Go to one of their forums, ask for help or post the bug and you'll get A LOT of responses from people saying they have the exact same issue, but then someone from Microsoft replies back pretty much saying that this is not a bug and something else is wrong with ALL of our systems.
It's sad I've memorized that Winter Wonderland commercials lyrics because it's aired ALL THE TIME. Start putting pride into your products Apple and get back to the ads! You haven't done well with them since Get a Mac.
I always wanted to have SP3 since the release to replace my Macbook Alu Late 2008. But I still feel some part of it still missing.
I would love to have touch screen and pen input on my laptop, and kickstand is not a problem to me because I rarely use my laptop on my lap, and I can just detach the keyboard to make it a tablet.
There are still various reason why SP3 is still not a good option for me:
Now I am waiting for the new 12 MBA / refreshed 13 MBPR / surface pro 4 to see next year is the right time for upgrade or not. My current MB is still sufficient for me as I upgraded 8GB and SSD, although it feel slower after Yosemite update, and I don't get the transparency effect
I would love to have touch screen and pen input on my laptop, and kickstand is not a problem to me because I rarely use my laptop on my lap, and I can just detach the keyboard to make it a tablet.
There are still various reason why SP3 is still not a good option for me:
- The price. It is too expensive for my taste, since it is a Windows devices. I personally go with MBPR13" with that price.
- I have no problem trading of High Resolution to a more reasonable resolution such as 1080p, since legacy and most app don't support High DPI.
- The single USB 3 Port. Oh come on, does MS ask me to bring USB hub wherever I go? The mouse itself require one port for transceiver (no, I'm not fan of BT mouse, even on my mac it always disconnect randomly).
- Battery life is not as good as MBA, although it has similar performance. I think it was the Super High Res screen to be blame of.
- Some kickstand problem on the net. I've read various report that the kickstand become loose after sometime.
Now I am waiting for the new 12 MBA / refreshed 13 MBPR / surface pro 4 to see next year is the right time for upgrade or not. My current MB is still sufficient for me as I upgraded 8GB and SSD, although it feel slower after Yosemite update, and I don't get the transparency effect
You can install windows on a Mac using bootcamp on the Mac. I did just that and now I have a dual boot system. Apple outlines how you can do it on their website. Just do a google search. It is super easy.
The reason I did it because Quicken for Mac is lousy compared to Quicken for Windows. I set aside 100 gigs of space on my 512 gig drive for windows. I should have set up more because boot camp takes 50 gigs of space. Just keep that in mind when you do it.
That will be me. I was a windows user ever since I started using a computer back in 1988. This thanksgiving I bought a top of the line MacBook Pro. And I have to admit it is a really positive experience. I also have windows on the Mac and it runs faster than on a windows machine.
You're right. It is really awkward. When I bought mine I opened it on the train and the whole setting up - pulling kickstand out and repositioning the type cover felt clumsy. Yes it's a laptop and a tablet but it isn't a better tablet than an iPad and it isn't a better laptop than a MacBook. I lasted two weeks before selling it. Just about to buy a MacBook. The SP3 is a beautiful device to hold and look at but its just a bipolar mess. Chuck 8.1 into the mix and the experience is even more disjointed.
I certainly do (the older Windows versions anyways), because I spent so much time under the hood troubleshooting it. Never had to do that with my Macs, so I'm much less conversant at the command line and less familiar with the inner workings of OS X - because I've never been forced to become intimately familiar with it like I was with Windows (I started with PCs on MS-DOS and used every version of Windows up through XP before I abandoned ship.)
As an aside, I've been paying attention to the NFL sidelines this season since they were all given SP2s to use for reviewing photos of formations, coverages, etc. They're also are still provided with the old black and white photos in ring binders as a backup and/or option for those who prefer the "old school" approach. From what I've seen, the photos seem to be used far more than the SP2s are. Back around October, Chicago Bears QB Jay Cutler referred to the SP2 as a "knockoff iPad" in an interview. I'm sure that had some Microsoft folks hopping mad.
I have used windows for 15 years without a blip...with 3d software, photoshop, illustrator, ableton live and reason. I think most people who hate windows just had crappy computers
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Because it has a great digitizer. If you dont need the pen--get an mba
Are you sure you've tried the 3 and not the 2? I own the three and use it on my lap all the time, works like a charm.
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Like what? I mean, I really hate windows 8. Makes me throw up a little every time I turn the computer on. But it really doesn't seem to have any bugs - my SP3 is rock stable.
have to use the SP3 for work. It's an awesome device, but W8 sucks monkey a**. I'm hoping that the next version will be dramatically better.
the core i5 performance of the sp3 compares favorably to ultabooks in its class. if you are talking about super hi res photoshop files with lots of layers--you should but looking at something more in the way of a desktop or full size laptop.
What an over-generalisation. How about the process to deploy 30 computers, apply a security policy to all of them, and install specific software they need. Windows - easy and well-documented. Mac? LOL... it's a struggle.
And I work at a university and maintain both Mac and Windows computer labs. Windows is so much easier to work with.
And I'm typing this on a Mac. I love my Mac. But the idea that it's easier? No freaking way.
I tried it at a Microsoft store and I found the rubber keyboard most uncomfortable. I just dont think that blending a tablet and a laptop into one single device that doesnt quite fulfill either role is not the way to go. And the price point on this product is simply out of whack!
Shhhhh. The point is not whether the user can afford $500 of software right after switching from Mac OS, but that the tablet can run it.
Censorship exists here too. So he was justified in how he said what he said.This isn't a TV show, you're allowed to reference stores by their real names on this forum.
Some .NET updates can break people's apps so some of the updates are 'recommended'. Meaning you should test first before deploying updates. It's just common sense.
Apple's all-or-nothing way of deploying updates isn't exactly bulletproof. Just look at the recent Safari update that got pulled after causing a huge amount of issues. Plus Apple doesn't have anywhere close to the amount of software Microsoft does, so you have to manage updates properly.
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None of that has any relation to my post. Try again. Just to remind you, I said:
"When you grow up and enter the real world you will see that Microsoft has a strong technical following like no other company. Namely I.T professionals that use their products and services to do business, to make things work, to run their entire organisations.
There are many thousands of Microsoft-centric websites/forums/online communities that vastly outnumber anything Apple related. These people are not just 'fans', they are I.T professionals helping others to get stuff done."
How does your silly post have any relation to what I said?
One laptop looks like a sleek and silver machine for adults.
The other other looks like a 'My First Laptop' from VTech.
The other other looks like a 'My First Laptop' from VTech.
Not really. Yes, we're not allowed to curse or insult other forum users. Nothing in da rulez about store names though.
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So? Does that actually indicate wether the product is good or not?
And not only that, but the current generation are pretty nice devices albeit relatively expensive. That being said, they are the ones that come the closest to "all-in-one" in our modern understanding of the word
Like all the defensive comments one sees on Windows Phone threads on sites like the Verge?
Lol!!!
You need to get out more if you believe all fanboys are created equal
Microsoft would have the lowest level of fanboy devotion, as they fall under the broad spectrum of PC users.