Surface Pro3 would probably be an outstanding bit of kit...if it had OS X
So you want a touchscreen device with an OS not meant for touch?
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So you want a touchscreen device with an OS not meant for touch?
Really?
On my PC, I double click on an icon and the program installs.
How does it work on a Mac ?
I just download it. Mac takes care of the rest. For non MAS, I just drag the icon into my Apps folder. We don't double click. We one click.
MS pushes patches separately because they support enterprise level customers primarily. They could bundle the patches like Apple does, but it would not work for their biggest customers as well as the way they do it.
Don't fight this battle. I've had both Macs and PCs for years. It's MUCH easier to install and remove apps on a Mac vs. a PC.
To Install:
PC - double click app icon, go through the installer which will usually ask what directory to install program, and other options.
Mac - drag app icon to Applications folder.
To uninstall:
PC - go to control panel to add/remove programs, hopefully what you installed is in there. use the remove programs button, and it will remove the program, and all the hooks to the registry (hopefully)
Mac - just drag the app icon to the trash. (Macs do NOT install anything to any sort of registry or anything outside the app icon - which is actually a folder with all the application parts, not an .exe with tons of other apps throughout the system.)
Sometimes uninstalling programs on a PC is SUCH a pain, some parts of the program are left on the computer even after using the remove program option. PC users don't get it until they have used a Mac. At least THIS aspect of a Mac is so much easier.
Don't forget that Windows will sometimes ask you to reboot the computer just to finish uninstalling. Windows has always been lame and user-not-friendly.
This took a long time coming...
Microsoft always had a page on the Surface Pro 3 vs MBA, but maybe now its just more annoying that's the 'key' its now mentioned.
So.., Microsoft has gone a bit batty,, there's nothing wrong with that.
I do have to praise MS for their jingles I'll be humming this one all night now.
Microsoft always had a page on the Surface Pro 3 vs MBA, but maybe now its just more annoying that's the 'key' its now mentioned.
So.., Microsoft has gone a bit batty,, there's nothing wrong with that.
I do have to praise MS for their jingles
I'll be humming this one all night now.
I have the base i3 model of the Pro 3 after owning the original Pro. I also have an iPad Air and a Macbook Air (2012).
Cost of the Pro 3 was $650 after a $150 off coupon so I sold the original Pro and upgraded.
It's a nice product, but Windows is still Windows...
There is one niché that it serves... digital art.
Being able to run Sketchbook Pro, Photoshop and Manga Studio on a thin, light tablet with a proper pen is fantastic.
The only thing I wish the base model had was more storage. 64 gig is plenty on an iPad but tight for a laptop.
I haven't added a microSD card yet but I'm going to....
That said, I still use Procreate on my iPad because that is one killer application. Only a matter of time before they conquer OS X.
Cost of the Pro 3 was $650 after a $150 off coupon so I sold the original Pro and upgraded.
It's a nice product, but Windows is still Windows...
There is one niché that it serves... digital art.
Being able to run Sketchbook Pro, Photoshop and Manga Studio on a thin, light tablet with a proper pen is fantastic.
The only thing I wish the base model had was more storage. 64 gig is plenty on an iPad but tight for a laptop.
I haven't added a microSD card yet but I'm going to....
That said, I still use Procreate on my iPad because that is one killer application. Only a matter of time before they conquer OS X.
I will not argue that the app store needs work, but Windows 8 and 8.1 have never crashed in my use.
Errr, how many years has it been since you used a Windows PC as that's rubbish.
Many years ago I remember that happening, but I can't remember any program in the last, oh god..... 2, 3, 4+ years ever needing a reboot to uninstall
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How do you control what physical hard drive or partition the program gets installed to ?
I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't see the attractiveness of a touch screen. Maybe it's because I'm bothered when I have a few tiny motes of dust on my screen, never mind having it all marred up by fingerprints. Keep the touch screens on the tablets and phones which are far easier to keep clean. Then again, nearly every day I see people with nearly opaque eyeglasses who don't seem to be bothered by it. I guess it's just simply not for me.
Don't forget that Mac apps will place stuff in the ~/Library/Application Support and/or Preferences folders (or maybe somewhere else depending upon the app) but at least they're not resident in memory like the loads of unused strings and other misc. software rot that plagues the registry in Windows. I don't miss those days at all, and reinstalling the whole shebang at least once a year just to clean it out and having the machine run up to spec again...for a little while anyway. You'd swear I downloaded every app pushed by a pop-up on the internet.
I still have to use Windows at work but at least when it blows up it's not my responsibility to fix it.
I would tend to blame the app vs. windows itself. I still encounter apps that need restarts on install/uninstalls both on my Parallels VM and at work. Once in a great while you'll encounter one in OS X. I don't really understand the reason why.
Again, usually it's app-specific and not so much a function of the OS. Many apps (can't say all) will have a screen where you can select the drive or an "advanced" button or something similar to a windows install wizard. Then of course, many apps just tell you to copy the app to your Applications folder, i.e. you can place it just about anywhere and it'll work just the same.
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You have clearly not used a Surface Pro. The pen works just as good as using an actual pen on paper. It IS that good.
You don't have to drag the icon to 'Applications' (which is similar to Program Files) if you don't want to. Drag the icon anywhere on the system, in any folder or any drive.
Apple just suggests you drag to Applications, as you can find your applications easier.
It's just a different concept in the PC world. In the PC world, the download you get is an installer. The installer is basically a big zip file along with a script to copy files to different locations on a Windows PC, along with adding registry settings, and an uninstall program.
In the mac world, what you download is called a 'package'. All of what the program needs to run is inside this package, which is sort of like a folder or zip file. Drag this package wherever you want your Application to live. Double-clicking the 'folder/package' runs the program. The mac knows where to look in the folder for the equivalent '.exe'. Mac programs are not allowed to install anything outside their own folder, which is nice and clean.
Actually, I sort of lied, some applications will put program files in the ~/Libraries/.... App Name directories too. But those are well defined locations, and are also deleted automatically when deleting the app package.
Surface Pro3 would probably be an outstanding bit of kit...if it had OS X
Tried OSx on my Surface Pro 2, so very similar experience (just the screen size really).
Not fun. Doesn't work well. the interface is garbage for touch and doesn't scale well for the high DPI on a small screen. never ended up sticking with it. Windows 8.1 actually still the best Touchscreen OS on a FULL SIZE tablet
It depends on the app.
Many of the high end applications you get from developers need root and system access. To install those files you'll need to run an installer just like you do on Windows and it will ask the same questions and give you the same experience you do on the Windows side.
Uninstalling them is sometimes a lot harder on the Mac, since running the uninstall program may require you to insert the physical media again or search for the uninstall program that changes location based on the application you want to uninstall.
For example, Adobe for the longest time put the uninstaller in the Utilities folder, then in App folder with the other application files, now it's locked into the Creative Cloud application.
Then you have applications that will install system wide plugins that don't get uninstalled because other apps use them.
In the end, it's a mixed bag. If I had to put money down, I'd say the way the mobile OSes handle apps is the best, with Apple just now catching up to Android.
I would agree. The pen on the Surface Pro is the standard, the benchmark that everyone needs to catch up to.
Using the world "laggy" to describe something just means you've never used it.
One thing I must say is annoying about this is that since I tend to like to keep copies of installers, dmgs and such on my secondary HDD for backup/archive purposes (sometimes you don't always like the features of the latest version or it doesn't work right, etc. and it's difficult to re-download an old version, or maybe I just don't want it installed at the moment) but OS X will see these apps and use them as defaults for opening certain file types.
I'm also not aware of any app automatically deleting its libraries - I've always had to do that manually (and I do since I prefer a clean system). At least one can keep that clean and still expect the machine to load properly on reboot - something that can't always be said about Windows.
you don't
OSx and iOS are uniquely Apple. They attempt to their best ability to obfuscate the underlying filesystem that your system runs on. in OSx you can get to the filesystem and the like, But for the most part, Apple doesn't want you to.
Apple wants you to use the "applications" folder. While you can copy those programs to other folders, many won't run from an alternative location. This gives you the problem that your main OSx parittion is also the only place you can essentially install your applications to. Whether this is done intentionally to sell more hardware (Run out of space from programs? guess you have to buy a whole new computer!), or for "user friendliness" i couldn't tell you.
I have noticed more and more OSx applications have started moving away from the "drag and drop" installation routine and now many have full blown installers that install exactly the same way Windows applications install. Also having full uninstaller programs.
To be fair, the Apple stores wouldn't be nearly as busy if there wasn't a Genius Bar in the store. Typically when visiting over half of the folks in the store are there for repairs. Microsoft store in Northpark Center in Dallas was pretty busy over the weekend. Much busier than the store I have visited in Bellevue, WA. I absolutely love my Surface Pro 3, iPad Air and 27" iMac. For a mobile productivity device, nothing beats the Surface Pro 3. My iPad rarely leaves the end table by my recliner. It is perfect for catching up on the news, browsing and doing online banking/investing. When I leave the house or have to actually create something, then it is my Surface. The iMac is basically for photo editing only, although I do that occasionally with the SP3. Microsoft is headed in the right direction. Apple sticking their head in the sand saying pen and touch input on full OSes isn't needed is an error. Same arrogant attitude the allowed Samsung to own the large screen phone / phablet market. The iPhone 6 shows how much demand there was for a larger screen. While there have been some android to iPhone 6 converts, just think of how much money they lost over these last several years for not having an offering. Apples arrogance is their biggest risk IMO. Also, what's their obsession with thin? Goes back to the form over function argument.
I'm far from being a non-critical Apple devote but this is laughable. It's actually this kind of junk that made me finally go from Windows to Mac even though it's not a perfect world either.
I have no need for any touchy-feely screen. I don't even have an iPad and have no use for it so far (I might install one at my desk as a quick and dirty remote for Logic but that's the only use I can think of). My MBP is small, light and powerful and does everything I would ever need on the road. Otherwise I'm covered with my iPhone 5 (not interested in the bigger 6 at this point).
I have no need for any touchy-feely screen. I don't even have an iPad and have no use for it so far (I might install one at my desk as a quick and dirty remote for Logic but that's the only use I can think of). My MBP is small, light and powerful and does everything I would ever need on the road. Otherwise I'm covered with my iPhone 5 (not interested in the bigger 6 at this point).
I'm not so sure about that. I've seen people wait 40 minutes just to get a salesman. I've been to a number of Apple stores and some of them were jammed packed with people trying to buy stuff
If Matrix was here, he'd laugh too.
The only reason Microsoft chose to attack Apple in these ads is because they are now competing with their customers, the other PC companies they sell window too. They really should be attacking HP, Dell, Asus, etc but if they did so it would be the beginning of the end for Microsoft. The surface pro 3 is a nice hybrid laptop the only thing wrong with it is that is runs Windows 8. I commend Microsoft on finally doing something original and innovating by pulling off an Apple type move with Windows 8. The only thing is Windows 8 is geared for teens, and people in their 20's with it's social networking themed Tiles. I do not know anyone in Business that likes Windows 8, that's why we still buy computers at work with Windows 7 Pro. That's the best version of Windows MS has made since Windows XP. I've been using Apple computers since I was 9 or 10 back in 1979-80 and I have always used them at home. Only reason we use Windows at work is for the Accounting software everything else we do at work could use a Mac. MS made a huge mistake with Windows 8 in that they didn't consider the Business world. They should have made two versions, one for Business one for home users.
The only reason Microsoft chose to attack Apple in these ads is because they are now competing with their customers, the other PC companies they sell window too. They really should be attacking HP, Dell, Asus, etc but if they did so it would be the beginning of the end for Microsoft. The surface pro 3 is a nice hybrid laptop the only thing wrong with it is that is runs Windows 8. I commend Microsoft on finally doing something original and innovating by pulling off an Apple type move with Windows 8. The only thing is Windows 8 is geared for teens, and people in their 20's with it's social networking themed Tiles. I do not know anyone in Business that likes Windows 8, that's why we still buy computers at work with Windows 7 Pro. That's the best version of Windows MS has made since Windows XP. I've been using Apple computers since I was 9 or 10 back in 1979-80 and I have always used them at home. Only reason we use Windows at work is for the Accounting software everything else we do at work could use a Mac. MS made a huge mistake with Windows 8 in that they didn't consider the Business world. They should have made two versions, one for Business one for home users.