Microsoft Launches Three New Surface Pro 3 Ads Targeting the MacBook Air

[Michael Goff]

I don't care what tens of millions think. You're making argumentums ad populum all over the place.

I also don't care if OS X's market share is made up of "fanboys." That number is growing, what it means to you does not matter to me, my friend.

OS X as of July 2014: 6.64% as per Net Applications
OS X as of July 2013: 7.19% as per Net Applications (up to 7.28 in the next month)

If the number is growing, obviously the market is growing faster than OS X is. Ever since May of this year, they've been going down in share.

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http://www.eweek.com/cloud/chromebook-sales-thanks-to-schools-to-grow-79-percent-in-2014.html

The Surface is a misguided Chimaera of a product. It takes the worst parts of two devices and puts them together into one. (tablets standing on their own, terrible laptop keyboards)

I don't care if Windows 8 is "good on a tablet." iOS and Android are arguably better, and they were there first.

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http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/07/29/apples-focus-on-value-in-2014-has-sent-mac-sales-surging

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/20/heres-where-apples-mac-sales-are-taking-off.aspx

Substantiated?

The world runs on Linux. The world's inhabitants access it with Macs.

And yet they still aren't even enough internet usage to climb out of the other category. So tell me again how they're eating up the low end when they can't even get 1% web traffic.

 

[The Doctor11]

Well that guys favorite part about the surface pro 3 is the kick stand... Sounds like one hell of a exciting computer/tablet thing

 

[jolux]

OS X as of July 2014: 6.64% as per Net Applications
OS X as of July 2013: 7.19% as per Net Applications (up to 7.28 in the next month)

If the number is growing, obviously the market is growing faster than OS X is. Ever since May of this year, they've been going down in share.

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And yet they still aren't even enough internet usage to climb out of the other category. So tell me again how they're eating up the low end when they can't even get 1% web traffic.

Mac sales are growing, so yes, the market is getting larger. But you knew that.

Windows is a behemoth. It will take a metric butt ton of Chromebooks to change that. You can't deny the facts of their growth though.

 

[Renzatic]

It is for nearly everyone who uses it. Which platform is experiencing growth in the desktop area? Not Windows...

Windows reached the point of saturation long, long ago, and still controls 85% of the world consumer market. OSX still has a ways to go before it even comes close to matching the Windows userbase.

 

[Tech198]

Do you forget the "I'm a Mac" ads? I am a Mac user, I am typing this on a MBP, but the Microsoft commercials are great and successfully turn the "I'm a Mac" vs PC ads upside down.

At least the Mac vs PC ads were taking the humor side of it, to the point I still watch them today over and over. I would only watch the MS ads once. and that's it.

 

[jolux]

Windows reached the point of saturation long, long ago, and still controls 85% of the world consumer market. OSX still has a ways to go before it even comes close to matching the Windows userbase.

I don't deny that. Their sales are growing though, whereas Windows' are declining. What does that say about how that number's going to change in the next few years?

 

[DJEmergency]

It's always ok when Apple does it.

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You're the one making unsubstantiated claims. Everything I posted is true and the facts back it up. The world runs on Windows, not OSX.

Did I say it's ok if Apple does it and not Microsoft? No I didn't. I was saying is that Microsoft needs to stop lying about Macs features in these commercials. I own both Windows and Mac. I want to see some legit stuff Microsoft can come up with instead of making a lie that Photoshop doesn't work on a MacBook Air when it does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcl-Zmkg34

Show me where in the Mac vs. PC ads that exists a lie? I'll be waiting for your comment

 

[Michael Goff]

Mac sales are growing, so yes, the market is getting larger. But you knew that.

Windows is a behemoth. It will take a metric butt ton of Chromebooks to change that. You can't deny the facts of their growth though.

Yes, they're growing from nothing to next to nothing. Sales are, potentially, up to 2.5 million were sold in 2013.

Yep, huge deal that Chromebook.

 

[MozMan68]

Right...I downloaded the 35 updates(including firmware) both times so you don't know what you are taking about. All fixed...uh huh. Not sure why you are so defensive about my real life experience. Just sharing what it was like for me.

Yeah... that was all very clear in your original post... my mistake..

At least you gave it a whole week.

 

[AppleScruff1]

The world runs on Linux. The world's inhabitants access it with Macs.

If you think more people use Linux than Windows, I have nothing else to say. OSX and Linux make up about 10% of the market. Vista sold more copies than Apple has built computers since it's inception. But carry on.

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At least the Mac vs PC ads were taking the humor side of it, to the point I still watch them today over and over. I would only watch the MS ads once. and that's it.

Of course.

 

[Michael Goff]

If you think more people use Linux than Windows, I have nothing else to say. OSX and Linux make up about 10% of the market. Vista sold more copies than Apple has built computers since it's inception. But carry on.

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Of course.

He meant that the internet is run on Linux servers. The part about "the world" accessing it on Macs, though, is hilarious.

 

[jolux]

If you think more people use Linux than Windows, I have nothing else to say. OSX and Linux make up about 10% of the market. Vista sold more copies than Apple has built computers since it's inception. But carry on.

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Of course.

Do you understand what argumentum ad populum is? Perhaps Google Translate was invented to help Windows fanboys translate the Latin names of the logical fallacies they regularly use as arguments.

You clearly missed my point about Linux. Linux is the one taking over. It totally dominates the server space (IIS might as well not exist) and the phone space (Android) with regards to market share, and it's poised to do the same with desktops through the Chromebook.

Microsoft is a drowned fly, still floating around on the water, suspended only by surface tension (no pun intended) until it inevitably sinks.

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He meant that the internet is run on Linux servers. The part about "the world" accessing it on Macs, though, is hilarious.

I'm not trying to say it's a majority. The world accesses it through Windows, too, but Windows is a dying if not already dead platform.

 

[Michael Goff]

Do you understand what argumentum ad populum is? Perhaps Google Translate was invented to help Windows fanboys translate the Latin names of the logical fallacies they regularly use as arguments.

You clearly missed my point about Linux. Linux is the one taking over. It totally dominates the server space (IIS might as well not exist) and the phone space (Android) with regards to market share, and it's poised to do the same with desktops through the Chromebook.

Microsoft is a drowned fly, still floating around on the water, suspended only by surface tension (no pun intended) until it inevitably sinks.

"Poised to take over the desktop space with Chromebooks" how? Yes, it has been growing. In terms of sales, WP has way more users than this time last year. Yet we wouldn't argue that WP is going to "take over the smartphone market" because it isn't.

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I'm not trying to say it's a majority. The world accesses it through Windows, too, but Windows is a dying if not already dead platform.

I want to know if you're serious.

 

[jolux]

"Poised to take over the desktop space with Chromebooks" how? Yes, it has been growing. In terms of sales, WP has way more users than this time last year. Yet we wouldn't argue that WP is going to "take over the smartphone market" because it isn't.
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I want to know if you're serious.

Okay, it might not be poised to take over just yet, but they currently have a cheaper product than Microsoft does. When Windows dies, the people who just browse the web will go to Chromebooks and power users will go to Macs.

I'm totally serious. Windows is completely stagnant, and Microsoft has shown that it has no idea what its customers want. On top of that, their OS is full of bloat and outdated features.

Case in point, Apple was doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII

When Microsoft was doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV1tBn4vYo

Windows has not changed that much in the past 18 or so years, and that's becoming a problem for their crashy OS that has to update constantly, requires the user to defrag, uses a registry, etc.

 

[Gasu E.]

to be fair, Apple bashed windows with the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads.

Yes... when Microsoft was the market leader.

It's interesting that MS now perceives Apple as the market leader.

 

[Michael Goff]

Okay, it might not be poised to take over just yet, but they currently have a cheaper product than Microsoft does. When Windows dies, the people who just browse the web will go to Chromebooks and power users will go to Macs.

I'm totally serious. Windows is completely stagnant, and Microsoft has shown that it has no idea what its customers want. On top of that, their OS is full of bloat and outdated features.

Case in point, Apple was doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII

When Microsoft was doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InV1tBn4vYo

Windows has not changed that much in the past 18 or so years, and that's becoming a problem for their crashy OS that has to update constantly, requires the user to defrag, uses a registry, etc.

Netbooks were a cheaper product, too. Tell me how well the netbook is doing today in comparison to everything else? In case you didn't know, they rose high and fell hard.

Also, it's obvious you haven't USED Windows in the past 18 or so years if you think it hasn't changed much. It's also obvious since you talk about defragmentation, call it "crash", mention that it has to update constantly (1-2 times a month is not constantly), and then mention the registry as if it means something.

If Windows is dead, what does that say about every other OS that doesn't have 1.5 billion users?

 

[Renzatic]

I don't deny that. Their sales are growing though, whereas Windows' are declining. What does that say about how that number's going to change in the next few years?

We'll see. Right now, MS has more competition than it has since the late 80's, with Apple, Google, and even Valve gunning for their position. There's no doubt it'll shrink, though Windows is so entrenched, it probably won't be as drastic as you'd think.

It'll take some major shakeups and some heavy work to winnow down their marketshare to even 70%.

 

[Michael Goff]

Yes... when Microsoft was the market leader.

It's interesting that MS now perceives Apple as the market leader.

In this section of the market, they kind of are.

Yes, in this small subset of the overall market Apple is the leader. And Microsoft wants this subset's money.

 

[jolux]

Netbooks were a cheaper product, too. Tell me how well the netbook is doing today in comparison to everything else? In case you didn't know, they rose high and fell hard.

Also, it's obvious you haven't USED Windows in the past 18 or so years if you think it hasn't changed much. It's also obvious since you talk about defragmentation, call it "crash", mention that it has to update constantly (1-2 times a month is not constantly), and then mention the registry as if it means something.

If Windows is dead, what does that say about every other OS that doesn't have 1.5 billion users?

Netbooks sucked though, and Chromebooks don't. I'm not saying Windows' marketshare is dead, I'm saying the platform is dead. The marketshare is arguably dead too, because it's certainly not growing, but I'll leave that to you to decide.

Here's the part you're not expecting though: I'm still a Windows guy. I'm a platform polyglot. I use everything.

I have a custom built workstation running Windows 7 that was originally a gaming machine but has since been converted. I'm building another desktop, possibly for Windows 9, though most likely for Linux. I used Windows Vista and before that my first laptop ran Windows XP.

So, coming from a guy who still uses Windows every day, and a power user at that, the Windows platform is dead. Every week I have to install between 5-20 updates, I get an infection regularly (around every 18 months is my average), I have to defrag my hard drive, fix registry errors, wonder why the entire thing is slowing to a halt, etc.

I'm sick of it. I've been dealing with it for 10 years, and that's enough. I don't have to do ANY of that crap in OS X, (I've never run a maintenance program. Ever.) and as a whole, the UI is easier to use.

It's also more stable, I've never once had a kernel panic. My Windows 7 machine, on the other hand, crashes nearly once every three weeks. It is admittedly getting old, but again, I've never even seen a Mac crash once.

I also dual boot Windows 8.1 on my laptop, because I had to start developing in a beast called LabVIEW a few months back. It sucks even harder, because I still have all of the annoyances and instability of Windows 7 and under, but on top of that, I have to learn a new interface that is poorly designed for desktop use? No, I'm sorry, that's [bull excrement]. You can't just reskin a product and act like it fixes all of the issues of your previous products.

Using Windows feels like living in 1999 for all eternity, with the amount of maintenance I have to do. Not even any of the BSDs I run require that much maintenance, (they don't require anything, actually, funny how that works) and OpenBSD is run by a bunch of Canadian buttholes who don't give two craps about usability.

/rant

Thanks for reading the tome of a tortured Windows user, and please have a nice evening.

 

[Michael Goff]

Netbooks sucked though, and Chromebooks don't. I'm not saying Windows' marketshare is dead, I'm saying the platform is dead. The marketshare is arguably dead too, because it's certainly not growing, but I'll leave that to you to decide.

Here's the part you're not expecting though: I'm still a Windows guy. I'm a platform polyglot. I use everything.

I have a custom built workstation running Windows 7 that was originally a gaming machine but has since been converted. I'm building another desktop, possibly for Windows 9, though most likely for Linux. I used Windows Vista and before that my first laptop ran Windows XP.

So, coming from a guy who still uses Windows every day, and a power user at that, the Windows platform is dead. Every week I have to install between 5-20 updates, I get an infection regularly (around every 18 months is my average), I have to defrag my hard drive, fix registry errors, wonder why the entire thing is slowing to a halt, etc.

I'm sick of it. I've been dealing with it for 10 years, and that's enough. I don't have to do ANY of that crap in OS X, (I've never run a maintenance program. Ever.) and as a whole, the UI is easier to use.

It's also more stable, I've never once had a kernel panic. My Windows 7 machine, on the other hand, crashes nearly once every three weeks. It is admittedly getting old, but again, I've never even seen a Mac crash once.

I also dual boot Windows 8.1 on my laptop, because I had to start developing in a beast called LabVIEW a few months back. It sucks even harder, because I still have all of the annoyances and instability of Windows 7 and under, but on top of that, I have to learn a new interface that is poorly designed for desktop use? No, I'm sorry, that's ********. You can't just reskin a product and act like it fixes all of the issues of your previous products.

Using Windows feels like living in 1999 for all eternity, with the amount of maintenance I have to do. Not even any of the BSDs I run require that much maintenance, (they don't require anything, actually, funny how that works) and OpenBSD is run by a bunch of Canadian *******s who don't give two craps about usability.

/rant

Thanks for reading the tome of a tortured Windows user, and please have a nice evening.

Except Chromebooks suck as well. Seriously, they're even worse than when I had a netbook running Windows Vista. The performance isn't good, namely because Chrome's performance is lacking. They can't do as much as a netbook, primarily because a netbook ran a full OS. The build quality isn't really better on a Chromebook either.

Also, for the record, my primary OS is OS X. I just like the aesthetics.

My first laptop ran Windows XP as well. It was a netbook. Before then, it was Windows ME, which came after 98, which came after 95. I don't mean just chronologically, but in my use. Those were normal desktops, obviously. Now I primarily use OS X.

Onto kernel panics.

I got one within the first month of running Lion. And now I'm getting them every so often, but I'm running a beta OS so that's to be expected. I even got a couple of BSoD on Windows 8 beta, and one or two since it hit RTM.

If you have to "run tons of maintenance", you're doing it wrong. I don't have to do much of anything. I watch what sites I go to, regardless of OS, and I let the automatic maintenance things do their work. I occasionally look to see if I need to run TRIM, but see that it's usually done it for me. Maybe I'm feeling like doing it myself, and thus do it.

If you like OS X better, as I actually do, then go for it. Nobody is stopping you from choosing an OS that you like. But please don't make up things to support what you like. Why do I say you're making things up? I don't do it lightly, but because of this wonderful paragraph:

"So, coming from a guy who still uses Windows every day, and a power user at that, the Windows platform is dead. Every week I have to install between 5-20 updates, I get an infection regularly (around every 18 months is my average), I have to defrag my hard drive, fix registry errors, wonder why the entire thing is slowing to a halt, etc."

5-20 updates a week? Registry errors? Defragging your hard drive? You blaming Windows for you getting an infection? It slowing to a halt? Seriously, these are problems of Windows of old.

 

[jolux]

5-20 updates a week? Registry errors? Defragging your hard drive? You blaming Windows for you getting an infection? It slowing to a halt? Seriously, these are problems of Windows of old.

I'll take a picture of my Windows setup right now if you don't believe me. It may not be 5-20 updates, but suffice it to say, leave it for awhile and AT LEAST that many crop up.

I do blame it for getting an infection. UAC was broken within a year of it being released, now it's just another cumbersome piece of wastefulness. I don't ever get infections on my Mac, and as for your kernel panics, what hardware are you running?

I use Macs because they're better designed, they have better build quality, they're less bloated, they run faster over time, and they have a UNIX terminal built right in. Suffice it to say both of us probably agree on at least four of those five things, and the fifth is down to personal experience, I can't find data on it.

 

[Michael Goff]

I'll take a picture of my Windows setup right now if you don't believe me. It may not be 5-20 updates, but suffice it to say, leave it for awhile and AT LEAST that many crop up.

I do blame it for getting an infection. UAC was broken within a year of it being released, now it's just another cumbersome piece of wastefulness. I don't ever get infections on my Mac, and as for your kernel panics, what hardware are you running?

I use Macs because they're better designed, they have better build quality, they're less bloated, they run faster over time, and they have a UNIX terminal built right in. Suffice it to say both of us probably agree on at least four of those five things, and the fifth is down to personal experience, I can't find data on it.

I'm running a MacBook Air (2012).

Microsoft throws out updates once a month, maybe twice. Throughout the entire month, you might get 20 actual updates. Or are you counting in the definition updates to their built in AV?

Also, not their fault if you somehow get an infection every 18 months. My mom doesn't even get that many infections on her computer, and she's the one that can barely get her printer to work sometimes.

 

[pankajdoharey]

Moving Isnt That Easy

1) Microsoft Assumes that moving to another Tablet is that simple. Huh , I am so dependent on the apps that i use everyday, What will happen to the paid apps i use. Microsoft isn't practical. Plus Sketch Book Pro on iPad is a lot cheaper and yet effective software than full Adobe Photoshop. Not everyone can afford Photoshop. Plus you can buy it on iPad too.

2) What about so many games that are iOS Exclusive ? Microsoft Forgot there Platform is demented and lacks apps.

3) Microsoft is trying to compete with iOS when it should try to compete with Android which really has a weak ecosystem and users that pirate Apps just like Windows users and keep switching from one ****** device to another.

 

[Renzatic]

5-20 updates a week? Registry errors? Defragging your hard drive? You blaming Windows for you getting an infection? It slowing to a halt? Seriously, these are problems of Windows of old.

Yeah, just about every one of these is a generic response to the ills of Windows that have been around, and were mostly relevant, around Win95. He should've thrown in .dll hell for the sake of completion.

Granted, Windows isn't without its problems, and it does tend to need a little more TLC than any of the 'nix OSes, but it's not nearly as bad as its made out to be. All I did was run a couple of cleaner programs once a month or so, and I could keep a Windows install going on for years with barely any slowdown or other weird issues arising.

My one and only complaint with Windows is the fresh-install-update-smorgasborg. It takes 2 years short of forever, and gets flaky as hell, what with it downloading stuff while telling you it's not downloading anything at all. But once you're past that, Windows is pretty solid and stable.

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Not everyone can afford Photoshop.

It's 10 bucks a month. Everyone can. Now it's more a question of asking if everyone will.

 

[Michael Goff]

Yeah, just about every one of these is a generic response to the ills of Windows that have been around, and were mostly relevant, around Win95. He should've thrown in .dll hell for the sake of completion.

Granted, Windows isn't without its problems, and it does tend to need a little more TLC than any of the 'nix OSes, but it's not nearly as bad as its made out to be. All I did was run a couple of cleaner programs once a month or so, and I could keep a Windows install going on for years with barely any slowdown or other weird issues arising.

My one and only complaint with Windows is the fresh-install-update-smorgasborg. It takes 2 years short of forever, and gets flaky as hell, what with it downloading stuff while telling you it's not downloading anything at all. But once you're past that, Windows is pretty solid and stable.

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It's 10 bucks a month. Everyone can. Now it's more a question of asking if everyone will.

That's definitely a real problem. If you have to start fresh, it's not fun in the slightest. Windows 8 is bad enough in this regard, Windows 7 at this point is a nightmare to update.