Microsoft Launches Zune HD

[cumanzor]

And the classic "sure Microsoft copies, but Apple does too" response is not what I'm looking for (the classic easy way out).

Still holds true.

Coverflow -> Xbox Live

wtf

Wii -> Natal

Natal is not even close to the Wii. Their target might be the same (and even that's debatable) but they are completely different technologies.

iTunes App Store -> Windows Mobile Store

Package manager -> Any App Store -> Windows Mobile Store. The difference is Apple found a way to milk the concept as well.

MobileMe -> My Phone

You can compare the early days of .mac and iTools to the first days if The Microsoft Network. Tip: MSN came years earlier.

Mac -> Windows

Oh god I lol'd. Different operating systems based on entirely different technologies. Yes, Apple sued MS for copying the GUI, but then again, Apple didn't invent that either.

The list goes on and on and on, but I don't care to spend more of my time proving the obvious.

Do elaborate, for the sake of discussion. This only obvious thing here is that companies compete by following the same trends. Saying that Microsoft is not original is just your opinion, sorry.

iPod -> Zune
Mii -> 360 avatars
YouTube -> Soapbox (RIP)

I'm not sure about the story behind the 360 avatars and soapboax so I'll have to give this to you.

You're seriously arguing that Apple is dishonest about viruses because Windows on a Mac gets viruses too? Seriously??? Wow.

What? He he, I have to ask, how the hell did you managed to reach that conclusion? I never said nor implied such thing. Here's the deal. The way Apple shows the PC is that they are boring computers made for boring white collar guys. This cannot be possibly true, given the huge chunk of their market share. From gamers to professionals in every single area.

They also imply that PCs crash every 5 minutes and that you get a virus out of nowhere every minute. Whoever says this is true hasn't used Windows since the W98 days (and well, we all know ME was a disaster). I used Windows since W3.1 to Windows 7. I only got a virus two or three times, which were my fault. Getting a virus nowadays is just a matter of not being careful enough. The same ******** that can get you in trouble in Windows (opening suspicious executables, etc) can get you in trouble in OS X (remember the trojan being spread in pirated copies of iWork?).

They imply that hardware compatibility is better in Windows than OS X, when this is clearly a fallacy. Windows runs on an extremely wide range of hardware combinations, OS X? Only in a few. Are they lying? Not entirely, but they are giving half truths based on common myths.

And I see you're playing the "you're arrogant because you disagree with me" card. A classic arrow from the Apple-haters quiver, but ultimately pointless.

Wrong, you are the one being arrogant. You are the one who believes that your opinion is the only truth in this discussion, you are the one who believes that you are right, when you are clearly wrong about many things. In case you haven't noticed, we do agree in a few points at least.

Bzzt, wrong. Best Windows version yet. Sure. Best OS? No way. OS X still beats it. I use both. I think you'll find relatively few OS X users that agree with you, contrary to what you are claiming. And who are these "almost every user out there" you are referring to? I imagine their identity will remain a mystery.

Yes, I forgot to clarify that. It is the best Windows version yet. I do prefer by a long shot any version of Linux that I've set up and customized myself. OS X still beats it? How so? Why? What exactly can you accomplish on OS X that you can't on Windows 7? And by -almost every user out there- I mean those who have tried Windows 7. Read the blogs, read the news, read the discussion, even some companies are planning on updating from XP already, thing that never happened with Vista for clear reasons (and just for the record, back when I was working in HP they give you the option to install Windows Vista, although a modified version that worked EXTREMELY well).

And I'm hardly "trashing" the Zune - I'm just saying that it's not a compelling product in today's market.

It isn't for you. It is for a lot of people who want something else than an iPod or an iPhone. Are there more people out there who prefer the iPod, sure there are. Does this makes the iPod a better product??? No. If you say yes then you would also have to agree that Windows is better than every other OS because more people use it. (it's a logical fallacy).

Take a -real- look at this:

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/

Microsoft is not all about the evil empire that holds the monopoly in the OS market. Would you be ok if Apple hold the majority of it? I wouldn't be, and right now I wish more companies could be out there promoting their own operating systems, so we could stop this retarded polarity between Apple and MS.

 

[dejo]

They also imply that PCs crash every 5 minutes and that you get a virus out of nowhere every minute.

That is what you are inferring based on what is said. Just stick with what is actually said and not your own, biased implications of that.

They imply that hardware compatibility is better in Windows than OS X...

Hmm, you would think that would be a good thing, wouldn't you?

 

[KnightWRX]

The Surface is pretty cool. And Natal is not the same as Wii.

No, Natal is the Eye toy evolved.

Yes, of course, and before the iMac there was colored plastic, thus the iMac was not really innovative either.

Of course, the iMac wasn't innovative because of its colored plastic exterior. The concept had been done before, by things like the NeXT cube, the SGI Indigos and Octanes, IBM Aptivas and many others.

What the iMac brought to the table was the split from the old world of computing. USB only, no floppy drive, everything integrated and no connections to make for the user besides his keyboard and mouse and the power. The iMac was about simplicity, bringing computers and the Internet to people who thought computing and the Internet was a thing for nerds and geeks.

 

[LagunaSol]

Yes, Apple sued MS for copying the GUI, but then again, Apple didn't invent that either.

Ah yes, Microsoft only copies what Apple copies from someone else. Right.

Saying that Microsoft is not original is just your opinion, sorry.

I'm still waiting for you to share some examples of Microsoft originality. Please. Enlighten me.

I never said nor implied such thing.

Actually, you did. Here's the quote:

a virus can infect your Windows boot camp install as well

Your implication being that Apple can't knock Microsoft for Windows viruses because Macs can get viruses too if you put Windows on them. A point which deserves the WTF? of the day.

They also imply that PCs crash every 5 minutes and that you get a virus out of nowhere every minute.

I don't recall "every 5 minutes" or "every minute" mentioned in any of the ads. Curious.

Getting a virus nowadays is just a matter of not being careful enough.

Yep, the old "blame the users" routine. Look, I'm not blaming Microsoft for their malware woes. It simply comes with being the 90% market share OS. That said, the fact is that viruses and malware are a huge problem for Windows users. And that's a fact.

Are they lying? Not entirely, but they are giving half truths based on common myths.

The bottom line is if the Apple ads were even half as false as the Microsoft fanboys argue, Microsoft would have sued Apple years ago when the ads started rather than let themselves get slapped around on national television for all these years. The fact that they didn't pursue legal action says they didn't have a legal case to do so. Meaning there was nothing in the ads that could legally be construed as a lie.

The only whimpering response Microsoft could eventually muster was "Have you heard how cheap Windows laptops are?" Sad.

What exactly can you accomplish on OS X that you can't on Windows 7?

What can you accomplish in a 2010 Honda Accord that you can't accomplish in a '72 Pinto? Nothing. This argument makes no sense.

It's not what can be accomplished, it's how it's accomplished. And as a long time Windows user, I can tell you that the how on the Mac side is far more pleasant than the how on the Windows side.

And by -almost every user out there- I mean those who have tried Windows 7.

Hmm, I've tried Windows 7. I find it far better than XP (which I've been using 40+ hours a week since 1993). But I still find OS X better than Windows 7. I haven't seen many reviews that claim otherwise.

Does this makes the iPod a better product???

Yes, because the iPod touch, for the same money, can do lots of things the Zune HD can't do. Things that consumers actually care about (read: not HD radio).

You keep implying that I'm bashing the Zune based on the quality of the product. I'm not. I'm simply arguing that the Zune is trying to compete in a market that has become irrelevant: the dedicated PMP market. Microsoft is simply two steps behind.

A year from now the sales numbers for the Zune HD will make my argument for me. Just as they have with the previous two Zune generations.

Microsoft is not all about the evil empire that holds the monopoly in the OS market.

Hmm, what are they about exactly?

Would you be ok if Apple hold the majority of it?

Heck no, that would be a nightmare. I don't want Apple acting like Microsoft any more than they already are, and I don't want the virus and malware headaches. I'm perfectly fine with Apple's position in the market. And that doesn't change my opinion that Microsoft are a den of weasels that don't have an original idea in their collective heads.

I can't wait to see the ZunePhone...

 

[celtikmind]

What the iMac brought to the table was the split from the old world of computing. USB only, no floppy drive, everything integrated and no connections to make for the user besides his keyboard and mouse and the power. The iMac was about simplicity, bringing computers and the Internet to people who thought computing and the Internet was a thing for nerds and geeks.

Eh... There was something called 'Performa' before that, remember? Performa 5200? All in one too... and marketed as consumer products. I know a lot of ordinary (as in non-geeks and non-nerds) who were using various Performa models for dialup internet. A few people I know had ISDN or some variant of cable too. Hell, anyone else remember the Color Classic?

Middle part is mostly right though. The iMac didn't come with Airport in the early standard configurations, or?

How quickly people forget...

 

[DougB541]

Wow this thread turned into an entire MS vs. Apple thread (big surprise).


I'll chime in with my opinion that MS doesn't just copy everything....its funny whoever said that used the examples that worked for him (tho calling saying that NXE copied cover flow is a bit far fetched).

But MS does a lot of things not following someone else. Tablet PC? What are apple fans going to call it when APple comes out with a tablet?

But at the same time, what super original thing has Apple done? They are good at taking an idea and making ti their own and branding it as such. Thats what corporate America does. They didn't invite the cell phone...but they took a smartphone idea and said, lets make it more simple.


Anyway, thats all I had to say about that.

 

[cumanzor]

Ah yes, Microsoft only copies what Apple copies from someone else. Right.



I'm still waiting for you to share some examples of Microsoft originality. Please. Enlighten me.



Actually, you did. Here's the quote:



Your implication being that Apple can't knock Microsoft for Windows viruses because Macs can get viruses too if you put Windows on them. A point which deserves the WTF? of the day.



I don't recall "every 5 minutes" or "every minute" mentioned in any of the ads. Curious.



Yep, the old "blame the users" routine. Look, I'm not blaming Microsoft for their malware woes. It simply comes with being the 90% market share OS. That said, the fact is that viruses and malware are a huge problem for Windows users. And that's a fact.



The bottom line is if the Apple ads were even half as false as the Microsoft fanboys argue, Microsoft would have sued Apple years ago when the ads started rather than let themselves get slapped around on national television for all these years. The fact that they didn't pursue legal action says they didn't have a legal case to do so. Meaning there was nothing in the ads that could legally be construed as a lie.

The only whimpering response Microsoft could eventually muster was "Have you heard how cheap Windows laptops are?" Sad.



What can you accomplish in a 2010 Honda Accord that you can't accomplish in a '72 Pinto? Nothing. This argument makes no sense.

It's not what can be accomplished, it's how it's accomplished. And as a long time Windows user, I can tell you that the how on the Mac side is far more pleasant than the how on the Windows side.



Hmm, I've tried Windows 7. I find it far better than XP (which I've been using 40+ hours a week since 1993). But I still find OS X better than Windows 7. I haven't seen many reviews that claim otherwise.



Yes, because the iPod touch, for the same money, can do lots of things the Zune HD can't do. Things that consumers actually care about (read: not HD radio).

You keep implying that I'm bashing the Zune based on the quality of the product. I'm not. I'm simply arguing that the Zune is trying to compete in a market that has become irrelevant: the dedicated PMP market. Microsoft is simply two steps behind.

A year from now the sales numbers for the Zune HD will make my argument for me. Just as they have with the previous two Zune generations.



Hmm, what are they about exactly?



Heck no, that would be a nightmare. I don't want Apple acting like Microsoft any more than they already are, and I don't want the virus and malware headaches. I'm perfectly fine with Apple's position in the market. And that doesn't change my opinion that Microsoft are a den of weasels that don't have an original idea in their collective heads.

I can't wait to see the ZunePhone...

All I can read in your posts is "I am right and you are wrong, I am right and you are wrong, blah blah blah."

You are adding absolutely nothing to the conversation, all you are doing is implying things I've never said.

Also, you seem to be a ****ing know it all when it comes to what customer actually want and need. Listen, you don't represent anyone or any group in here. You are just giving your opinion and making it look like universal facts. It is impossible to discuss with people like you.

Have a nice one.

 

[DMann]

For you, when a journalist favors a Microsoft product, the journalist is good, and the review is worthwhile:

Pogue - who is a strong advocate of Apple - gives it a glowing review whilst pointing out the obvious problems with the ecosystem and why the iPod Touch will, of course, outsell it by a considerable margin.

This very same journalist, however, is hypocritically condemned, losing all credibility, when favoring Apple's products or is less flattering of MS's products:

Pogue lost any credibility he had a long time ago.

Yet, once he offers favorable observations about the Zune, he is redeemed, magically.


Furthermore, certain periodicals and/or tech blogs are worthy of recommendation on some days:

You don't read Gizmodo or Engadget or any other tech journal then?

On other days, (when critical of MS) these very same sites are arbitrarily declared as worthless:

Ah, Gizmodo.

LOL! Not exactly a reliable source of info.

Your hypocritical and highly dismissive nature is astounding. Observe a mere sampling of the deprecating, derogatory denouncements of periodicals and authors who have ever cast MS in a negative light, or have had praise for Apple:

This story is just a big pile of FUD.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=462

The Inquirer as a reputable source? Surely some mistake.

Actually I have read the article which is why I know it's silly....

I wonder if the authors of this article realise how ridiculous they look and how they actually end up making MS's case for them?

The tragedy is they probably don't.

Sure. However neither does reading some of the bollocks posted by some of the less able tech journals and their followers....

*Reads article*

What a load of drivel. Wishful thinking does not reality make.

Yes I know. That's one of the reasons why AI has gone down the toilet.

..... yes, we know - that is, until they decide to mention something positive about MS or the Zune HD.

Here's one more hypocrite for you:

I quite like the Zune HD but it's a dying market. PMPs are starting to drop off in sales.

My bet is this is a tester or a MS phone. As for apps, who do you think all those developers developed for before the iPhone?

We're glad to see that you were, at one time, aware of this.

Extreme arrogance and hypocrisy, at its best.

Priceless

 

[ZorPrime]

Missing a camera and another step behind the big apple. Although, the OLED screen looks very clear and bright; a noticable improvement over the competition.

Sorry for commenting on a first 5 comment in a 600 comment thread; I'm a little slow. I had to comment about OLED... props to M$ for using "cutting edge" tech, even though OLED has roots dating back to the 60's, but here's my concern... screen half life. OLED have a wicked short half-life, which means you better not keep the thing shining too brightly. At the risk of being particular, blues have 30% the longevity of greens... meaning, as soon as you turn the thing on you'll have a year maybe two of "optimal" viewing at levels that distinguish it from standard LCD... no thanks, i'll pass on something that doesn't even have 15k hours of life: that's about 4 years of FUNCTIONAL viewing; functional meaning before everything looks red or purple but in the meantime you'll start to notice picture degradation after a year of use (meaning, your colour off-balance with be noticeable in a year) if you were to compare to a new unit or LCD of the same age. *just sayin*

 

[ZorPrime]

Wow this thread turned into an entire MS vs. Apple thread (big surprise).

LOL, yup. hmmm.... a site called "MAC"rumors posts an article about arch-nemesis M$'s Zune... sit back and watch the hits... it's like going on a a certain M$'s console website and discussing a particular $lim unit. hit's and posts = $$$

 

[kdarling]

no thanks, i'll pass on something that doesn't even have 15k hours of life: that's about 4 years of FUNCTIONAL viewing;

Even four years is a long time, but that assumes 10 hours a day.

It's not a TV set. The display on a mobile isn't on that much.

Let's be ridiculous and say the owner views 2 two-hour movies a day and spends another hour playing games for a total of five hours display time a day... each and every day.

15,000 hrs / (365 * 5) = 8+ years for the blue pixels.

But that assumes that we're actually using _each and every_ blue pixel every second of those hours in order to use them up. Ain't gonna happen.

More like 10 years or more. By that time, the flash could be getting flakey.

 

[kate-willbury]

this is awesome. i have an iphone and have no need for a pmp player but i might actually get one just for the hdmi out. absolutely gorgeous and way better looking than ipod touch/iphone.

i wish a zune hd PHONE were in the works.

 

[DMann]

Ah yes, Microsoft only copies what Apple copies from someone else. Right.

At least Apple actually paid Xerox to access PARC before significantly developing and refining their own OS.

I'm still waiting for you to share some examples of Microsoft originality. Please. Enlighten me.

When BG duped IBM into thinking he actually had an OS to license to them at the time, and IBM fell for it.

Yep, the old "blame the users" routine. Look, I'm not blaming Microsoft for their malware woes. It simply comes with being the 90% market share OS. That said, the fact is that viruses and malware are a huge problem for Windows users. And that's a fact.

They are partially to blame though, integrating IE into their OS, with 5 open portals: "the doors are open everybody, come on in!"

The bottom line is if the Apple ads were even half as false as the Microsoft fanboys argue, Microsoft would have sued Apple years ago when the ads started rather than let themselves get slapped around on national television for all these years. The fact that they didn't pursue legal action says they didn't have a legal case to do so. Meaning there was nothing in the ads that could legally be construed as a lie.

The truth hurts.

The only whimpering response Microsoft could eventually muster was "Have you heard how cheap Windows laptops are?" Sad.

Even more so, since it backfired on them.

What can you accomplish in a 2010 Honda Accord that you can't accomplish in a '72 Pinto? Nothing. This argument makes no sense.
It's not what can be accomplished, it's how it's accomplished. And as a long time Windows user, I can tell you that the how on the Mac side is far more pleasant than the how on the Windows side.

Excellent analogy - W7 does it all, albeit, in a casually sluggish manner. (user experience)

Hmm, I've tried Windows 7. I find it far better than XP (which I've been using 40+ hours a week since 1993). But I still find OS X better than Windows 7. I haven't seen many reviews that claim otherwise.

Ditto

Yes, because the iPod touch, for the same money, can do lots of things the Zune HD can't do. Things that consumers actually care about (read: not HD radio).

Saturated markets tend to be cold to latecomers. No external speaker? Another reason to pass.

You keep implying that I'm bashing the Zune based on the quality of the product. I'm not. I'm simply arguing that the Zune is trying to compete in a market that has become irrelevant: the dedicated PMP market. Microsoft is simply two steps behind.

Even BongoBanger agrees with you on this.

A year from now the sales numbers for the Zune HD will make my argument for me. Just as they have with the previous two Zune generations.

As Ballmer said, "the little engine that could"['nt]

Hmm, what are they about exactly?

Chasing innovation(s), perhaps?

Heck no, that would be a nightmare. I don't want Apple acting like Microsoft any more than they already are, and I don't want the virus and malware headaches. I'm perfectly fine with Apple's position in the market. And that doesn't change my opinion that Microsoft are a den of weasels that don't have an original idea in their collective heads.

I can't wait to see the ZunePhone...

It's gonna be a game changer - - just wait......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

[kate-willbury]

Bzzt, wrong. Best Windows version yet. Sure. Best OS? No way. OS X still beats it. I use both. I think you'll find relatively few OS X users that agree with you, contrary to what you are claiming.

i'm currently on mac os 10.6.1 now. infuriating that you can't even CUT and paste in finder out of the box. typical, 'lets treat our users like dummies who can't do anything on computers" apple philosophy. i much prefer windows 7 over os x easily.

 

[KnightWRX]

Chasing innovation(s), perhaps?

No, actually, they wait for innovations, then they apply the Plan™ : Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

The Web is their most blatant example of this. For a long time, they refused to follow standards for the DOM and for CSS. Luckily, they also stagnated in the extend phase and competitors such as Gecko and WebKit managed to take back a significant enough portion of the web and organizations like the w3c that publishes the standards managed to remain relevant, so they failed at the Extinguish part.

And speaking of not understanding the market :

http://www.pcworld.com/article/172151/zune_hd_games_ads.html

I guess now we know why they don't want to release an SDK and open up the marketplace to just any developpers, it might cut into their ad revenue.

And I guess now that PC world have posted such a negative article, that they too are biased and don't have any credibility.

 

[fat phil]

Even four years is a long time, but that assumes 10 hours a day.

It's not a TV set. The display on a mobile isn't on that much.

Let's be ridiculous and say the owner views 2 two-hour movies a day and spends another hour playing games for a total of five hours display time a day... each and every day.

15,000 hrs / (365 * 5) = 8+ years for the blue pixels.

But that assumes that we're actually using _each and every_ blue pixel every second of those hours in order to use them up. Ain't gonna happen.

More like 10 years or more. By that time, the flash could be getting flakey.

What a noisy thread.

Regarding the OLED...

The majority of the people fawning over Zunes and iPhones are tech collectors, and a good many are early adopters too:

In 2 years time most of us will have relegated today's hardware to a shelf, or occassional usage, and in 8 years time it'll be a nostalgia item - and the screen will probably be ok because you haven't even charged it, nevermind turned it on, for the past five years.

 

[LagunaSol]

When BG duped IBM into thinking he actually had an OS to license to them at the time, and IBM fell for it.

Absolutely. Microsoft's one and only stroke of genius. Their very first product was a ripoff. And so the pattern began.

 

[DMann]

No, actually, they wait for innovations, then they apply the Plan™ : Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

The Web is their most blatant example of this. For a long time, they refused to follow standards for the DOM and for CSS. Luckily, they also stagnated in the extend phase and competitors such as Gecko and WebKit managed to take back a significant enough portion of the web and organizations like the w3c that publishes the standards managed to remain relevant, so they failed at the Extinguish part.

Yep - WebTV, Hotmail, and currently, Yahoo, come to mind, all of which were not Plan™survivors. Netscape Navigator was also a sorry case - BG found a company (similar to the birth of QDOS) which possessed the same basic source tree as Navigator, and entered into a deal to pay them royalties for every copy of his own web browser he sold. It's just that Gates, and only Gates, knew that he was never going to actually sell Internet Explorer - he was going to give it away for free to run Netscape out of business.


And speaking of not understanding the market :

http://www.pcworld.com/article/172151/zune_hd_games_ads.html

I guess now we know why they don't want to release an SDK and open up the marketplace to just any developpers, it might cut into their ad revenue.

Too deplorable for words - on top of this, I can see them spinning this ad/gaming experience into a 'Gaming-Social,' whereby all ads would be synchronized amongst multi-players at the beginning of each game - players will love it for the 'count-down' aspect. You can also squirt your score to your friends, with great pride, at the end of each game.

And I guess now that PC world have posted such a negative article, that they too are biased and don't have any credibility.

Yes, another one bites the dust...

Absolutely. Microsoft's one and only stroke of genius. Their very first product was a ripoff. And so the pattern began.

A claim to fame they've clung onto for decades.

 

[KnightWRX]

Absolutely. Microsoft's one and only stroke of genius. Their very first product was a ripoff. And so the pattern began.

Actually, their first product was BASIC, and in their defense, they didn't rip it off anyone and they didn't shove it down everyone's throat. Plus it was pretty useful back in the days.

However, they did end up paying the DOS guy a few millions after settling a lawsuit with him.

 

[BongoBanger]

A pile of out of context quote mining

Is that really the best you can do?

Let's face facts - you didn't even know that McLean is Dilger and you haven't addressed the fact that he posted the Quake 3 demo out of context.

When you actually have answers let me know.

 

[clevin]

I see, the topic finally turned away from facts of ZUNE HD, and now a bunch of apple lover began to bashing MS as always.

very good spirit. Every iPod Touch or ZUNE HD buyers should stand before the counter and reflect the decades of history of Microsoft, Apple, Netscape, HP, Real, etc, before they make a purchase. Very interesting indeed.

 

[mrochester]

But MS does a lot of things not following someone else. Tablet PC? What are apple fans going to call it when APple comes out with a tablet?

Can someone who's been laying into MS due to a lack of originality please address this? It'll be interesting to see what your views are when it's Apple who are being unoriginal. No doubt it's perfectly OK for Apple to be unoriginal... that's my guess.

 

[littleasian]

wow, ive never see a topic go sidetracked so fast. you diehard apple fanboys should lay off the crack and realize that microsoft made or not, the zune hd is a nice little gadget and should be appreciated for that

its a valient effort by microsoft to break into the ipod dominated industry and like it or not, you guys all know deep down apple needs some competition. competition breads innovation, and consumers all win. i mean look at the incremental upgrades to the touch, faster is always better but at the end of the day its still pretty much the same touch that launched 2 years ago.

yea it doesn't have a camera, doesn't make calls, the apps will probably never rival the app store but at least it gives people a nice alternative to the ipod. and im saying this as someone who has an iphone and a mbp, this device is quite nice and will be a formidable competitor.

just look at it this way..imagine if ford held 90% of the auto market...wouldn't be very fun now would it.

 

[kate-willbury]

Can someone who's been laying into MS due to a lack of originality please address this? It'll be interesting to see what your views are when it's Apple who are being unoriginal. No doubt it's perfectly OK for Apple to be unoriginal... that's my guess.

it doesn't matter to brainless apple fan boys. their response is generally always along the lines of "apple might not have invented this...but they KNOW how to sell it!"

 

[DMann]

Is that really the best you can do?

Let's face facts - you didn't even know that McLean is Dilger and you haven't addressed the fact that he posted the Quake 3 demo out of context.

When you actually have answers let me know.

No, it's the very least I can do. I'll gladly place each and everyone of your derogatory blurbs into proper context, at your request.

If you so strongly believe and allege Daniel Dilger to be writing under the alias of Prince McLean, then why did you not specify it for all of those who have read the article, e.g. Prince McLean aka Daniel Eran Dilger?

I take the point about OLED screens but would point out that the examples given refer to first generation low nit screens (the N85 series 1 is a 170 nit screen - the series 2 replaced it with a superior 300 nit model). Dilger's argument is spurious until we know the specifications of the Samsung AMS326FA05 display the Zune HD uses. I'm guessing it's a second geenration screen but let's wait and see. However, let's not kid ourselves - OLED screens are the way forward and I find it ironic that Dilger - who is a critic of the OLED in the Zune - was waxing lyrical about the possibility of an OLED in the rumoured iPad.
That's the problem with Dilger - he's inconsistent and doesn't do enough research. That and he's quite mad obviously.

Readers who are not aware of his alias, (and there are many who are not, especially since McLean's article was originally posted on AI) would only be mislead by your inaccurate misquotes. The author posts his name as Prince McLean, yet you address him as Dilger, without acknowledging his alias.

Furthermore, you are critical of Dilger for posting the Quake 3 demo out of context, while your glaring blunders regarding sources and content are paramount:

A while back, for example, you recommended a source regarding Vista's Superfetch:

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/how-to-disable-superfetch-on-windows-vista/

Followed by accusations of not having read it:

Well, if you read the article you would have noticed that they actually agree....

When it is pointed out that your endorsement contained comments which contradicted your beliefs, you stated:

You know, I would reply in detail to your post but since the entire content consists of a copy and paste of reader comments rather than, say, the dozens of tech journals and blogs who endorse superfetch coupled with the usual nonsense that Leopard is less bloated than Vista despite it having about 40% more lines of code I'm not sure there would be much point.

While all along, the content you was refuting was entirely derived from the source that you yourself endorsed.
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/how-to-disable-superfetch-on-windows-vista/

To add insult to your own injury, you reaffirmed your blatant disregard to content, by accusing me of submitting reader comments, which in fact, were cited from the very site which had been endorsed, posted and recommended by you.

Your glaring blunder(s) have been repeatedly pointed out by others:

As you haven't bothered to reply to me I thought I'd reply to your post - The copy and paste of user comments criticizing superfetch that DMann posted was from the site you originally sourced not DMann. So the very site you recommend for explaining superfetch is full of users criticizing it. LOL.

Overall, your over-the-top arrogance in regard to tech journals and writers remains baffling, in lieu of whence they emanate - as duly noted:

.....And I guess now that PC world have posted such a negative article, that they too are biased and don't have any credibility.