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Am I the ONLY one who doesn't mind a BIOS as it does what it's supposed to do?

I know it might not look pretty, but it gets the job done.
 
I'm quite pleased about this news :)

I can't live without Office 07 in VMware. It's much nicer than any alternative.

At the moment it's running in an XP VM, and that doesn't allow Expose to work properly. Hopefully Windows integration can be a bit more seamless with Win 7.
 
Right...

It's just the same cycle that Page 1 has been stuck painfully so for this past year more so than normal. I tried to explain to to LagunaSol but that just ends up on some bizarro world projection debate and witch-hunt.

We're our own worst enemies.

Don't you mean . . . BIZARRO-enemies?


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I'm quite pleased about this news :)

I can't live without Office 07 in VMware. It's much nicer than any alternative.

At the moment it's running in an XP VM, and that doesn't allow Expose to work properly. Hopefully Windows integration can be a bit more seamless with Win 7.

Wouldn't that be VMWares fault more so than Windows?
 
To me, Snow Leopard is more like a service pack, and I think $30 is fair.

Windows 7 for $30... is a motherf*cking steal.
 
Sorry - what does this have to do with Mac?

This place is more obsessed with Zune and Win7 than anywhere else on the web.

It is relevant here, a lot of us need Windows for Boot Camp or a virtual machine. I love and use Mac OS X 90% of the time at home, but there are times when I want to play a good game or need to use something like Visio for work which only runs on Windows. I could not have bought my $2400 iMac unless I could run Windows on it too. That "just in case I have to" capability has brought a lot of people to the Mac. Almost everyone I know at work who has a Mac at home or at work only does so because they can run a Windows app that they really need, or have Windows just in case.
 
Really?

Long story short: My Hp laptop crashed and HDD died. Tried using the upgrade CD I bought on new HDD and no luck (not even custom install). Had to contact HP for the recovery discs for XP and then re upgrade.

That was a 5 day hassle. This is Vista BTW

My work Macbook "crashed" and has gone through 3 HDD's in the past 1.5 years.

That was 10 days of hassle. So pat yourself on the back.
 
Why so many versions???

1) MONEY

2) They're retarded when it comes to the home/consumer sector.

Windows 7
Dumbass Edition
We Suck edition
Totally Retarded edition
Hoof-and-mouth disease edition
Will bang your head on desk because we made you learn 6 new editions edition
Grandma can now use e-mail edition

This is what happens when a corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerades as a home/consumer vendor.
 
1) MONEY

2) They're retarded when it comes to the home/consumer sector.

Windows 7
Dumbass Edition
We Suck edition
Totally Retarded edition
Hoof-and-mouth disease edition
Will bang your head on desk because we made you learn 6 new editions edition
Grandma can now use e-mail edition

This is what happens when a corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerades as a home/consumer vendor.

You forgot Windows RG :p
 
Not being a Windows person, my big question is...

Will Windows 7 run on PCs 3 or more years old or do you really need a very new PC for it?

If Windows 7 does run on 4-5 yr old PCs, that would be kind of embarrassing for Apple considering how they threw their PowerPC customers under the bus within 3 years with Snow Leopard, thus treating people with $3000+ Macs in a pretty shabby way. Since I already have Windows XP (but do not use it ever), I'm going to take a serious look at Windows 7.

I wouldn't really even be considering a Windows option if Apple hadn't abandoned fixing bugs for Leopard at 10.5.8 and rolled many of them into Snow Leopard for Intel-only. There are still tons of bugs in Leopard. It's still nowhere near as stable as 10.4.11 on any of my various Macs.
 
And yet another mac adolescent chimes in.

Do you actually talk this way around adults?

I don't come here to extol the makers of the ********* software known to Man. This is MACRUMORS. It's an Apple fan site. If I gave a sweet damn about discussing what's good about Windows I'd be on Winsupersite or Neowin.

I'm way past the "Windows has its advantages too" stage. It really doesn't, and I don't miss it at all. In fact, in retrospect, I kind of regret switching to Windows in 2002. Sure I learned what it was like to use it every day, but I think I could have done without that education.

I'm not required to be "fair" or say "nice" things about MS just to maintain some sort of mock-objectivity for everyone's approval.
 
To me, Snow Leopard is more like a service pack, and I think $30 is fair.

Windows 7 for $30... is a motherf*cking steal.

Yeah, except that 15-25% of the Mac user base ( iMac & PowerMac G5 / PowerPC users ) were not even offered that service pack and are stuck with Leopard exactly as it is now, still a bit buggy. Don't get me wrong, Leopard is certainly miles ahead of VISTA, but still with issues resolved only in Snow Leopard for Intel-only. So I'd question how fair Apple really has been to its customers.
 
My view is simple:

If the choice of consumer level OS from Microsoft confuses you then you probably shouldn't be using a computer at all.

That said, it would be tidier if there were only two versions but it's not really that big a deal.
 
If Windows 7 does run on 4-5 yr old PCs, that would be kind of embarrassing for Apple considering how they threw their PowerPC customers under the bus within 3 years with Snow Leopard, thus treating people with $3000+ Macs in a pretty shabby way.

What's PowerPC??

It's not even a factor. Bitching about it in every thread that might be remotely related to it won't bring back PPC and won't have any effect on Apple's numbers or development roadmap. Ergo, you're wasting your time. Unless you're in it for the post counts.


My view is simple:

If the choice of consumer level OS from Microsoft confuses you then you probably shouldn't be using a computer at all.

That said, it would be tidier if there were only two versions but it's not really that big a deal.

The devil is in the details. All the little confusing aspects and inconveniences tend to add up real quick.
 
What's PowerPC??

It's not even a factor. Bitching about it in every thread that might be remotely related to it won't bring back PPC and won't have any effect on Apple's numbers or development roadmap. Ergo, you're wasting your time. Unless you're in it for the post counts.

Bringing back PPC and just bitching about lack of Apple support for its PowerPC Leopard users are 2 different things and the later is a worthwhile conversation.
If Windows 7 has better support for PCs than Snow Leopard does for Macs, I think it's also a valid discussion.

PowerPC users are at a turning point. Who knows? Some may kick the tires on Windows 7.
Apple may have picked a bad time to kick 15-25% of its user base to the curb if Microsoft finally got Windows right this time.

And you never know, I got $100 back from Steve Jobs after spending an entire weekend bitching about the iPhone price drop. I'd be happy if there was just a 10.5.9 or 10.5.10 with some of Snow Leopard's bug fixes and interface tweaks/fixes down the road.

God knows that iPhone rebate wasn't on the roadmap, was it? LOL
 
Windows 7 will run on most 5 year old PCs

Not being a Windows person, my big question is...

Will Windows 7 run on PCs 3 or more years old or do you really need a very new PC for it?

If Windows 7 does run on 4-5 yr old PCs, that would be kind of embarrassing for Apple considering how they threw their PowerPC customers under the bus within 3 years with Snow Leopard, thus treating people with $3000+ Macs in a pretty shabby way. Since I already have Windows XP (but do not use it ever), I'm going to take a serious look at Windows 7.

I wouldn't really even be considering a Windows option if Apple hadn't abandoned fixing bugs for Leopard at 10.5.8 and rolled many of them into Snow Leopard for Intel-only. There are still tons of bugs in Leopard. It's still nowhere near as stable as 10.4.11 on any of my various Macs.

Microsoft's requirements for Windows 7 are:
If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:

•1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
•1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
•16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
•DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver

Looking at a November 2004 Fry's ad, there's a Sony VAIO 720G for $1199 (including LCD monitor and printer) that has:

•3 gigahertz Pentium 4 HT processor
•512 MiB RAM (up to 2 GiB RAM supported)
•80 GB hard disk
•DirectX 9 graphics device (GMA 900) - PCIe x16 open slot

So, if you haven't already, you'll probably want to add 2 GiB of RAM for $50, and a 512 MiB Nvidia PCIe card for another $40 so that you can get the full Aero benefits. (Aero will run on GMA950 and better...)

Even the $400 PCs from late 2004 meet the requirements except for standard RAM.
 
If Windows 7 has better support for PCs than Snow Leopard does, I think it's also a valid discussion.

No it isn't. They're completely different operating systems.

So if Snow Leopard won't run on your PowerPC, you'll just buy a PC and switch to Windows??

And why should I give a sweet damn whether Windows runs on old hardware, when as a Mac user I have nothing to do with Windows in the first place?

Yup. Apple will bring back a discontinued architecture because you're moaning about it. Hey, it's the same as $100 rebate, right?

Please, get an Intel-based Mac already, and save us all the supreme agony of reading your nostalgia-gone-wild about a discontinued architecture that no one really cares about anymore.
 
And why should I give a sweet damn whether Windows runs on old hardware, when as a Mac user I have nothing to do with Windows in the first place?

Then why are you even lecturing people about Windows in a Windows thread? (But your silly-assed sig tells me everything I suppose). For somebody who could give a rat's ass about something as inconsequential as Windows it sure does bother you a lot. Why is that? Does it change how you use your mac?

Please, get an Intel-based Mac already,

Ah... the tried and true mantra of the Apple pom-pom squad.

Listen son... find other "more worthy" outlets for your evangelistic passion. Your mac is just a bunch of nuts and bolts.
 
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