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Okay. I'm going to ask the stupid question, because 1) no-one really asked it yet, and 2) common sense (read: words on the box) seems to say otherwise. But in for a sheep. :)

I'm close to purchasing this (faculty at Univ. of Nevada). I have XP running, plus my SO (college student, .edu address) has Vista on her PC laptop (64bit). She buys it, she upgrades, she's golden.

If I buy it (whether Home Premium or Professional), I should NOT be able to do a clean install on my XP box, right? Secondly, say I want to preserve that XP install, and swap out that drive with another. Now that should put me at no choice but to do that clean install. Would the upgrade DVD provide that?

BL.
 
Only for people not smart enough to read a simple table....

That's anything but simple. If the average user has to ponder that for more than a second, something is wrong.

Windows Home
Windows Server

That's simple.

It shouldn't take a chart with several rows and columns and colours to explain an upgrade.
 
Yeah, that's not correct. OS X is comparable to Ultimate. OS X has full networking tools and file encryption, same as ultimate.

Please don't use the excuse that most home users won't need the Ultimate features, there are a lot of people that take their notebooks right to work with them and use them as their full time work computer. A "home user" is no longer really a home user unless they have a desktop computer. Most people use notebooks for work, school, personal use or all of the above and your OS should be able to accommodate all usage without paying extra for it.


So a home/take notebook to work user needs full drive encryption? Well OS X does not offer full drive encryption.
 
Only for people not smart enough to read a simple convoluted table....

Microsoft either ships both x86 and x64 in the same kit, or offers a free (or handling cost) option to get the x64 disc if you have an x86 only kit.

This is complete nonsense about $600, and I'm sure that you know that.
And where, on this atrocity of a chart, is this clearly stated? It isn't, and it would behoove them to list x64 with optional x32 in one package, to perhaps reduce and clarify some of the chaotic clutter, but that would be too simple and clear for smart people, now wouldn't it?

This is the guy under the bridge calling someone else a troll...
You are calling someone else a troll, YOU??! The POT has never been BLACKER than it is now!

Only the fanboys believe the "Windows 7" is "Vista SP3" tripe. It's far more than a service pack, and a far larger jump than 10.6.

(Note that when Microsoft (Ballmer, et al) are talking to developers - the story line is that "it's a minor change from Vista, no need to rewrite your stuff". When Microsoft talks to end users, they talk about the new UI changes and other huge improvements in the user experience. Don't take the former out of context and imply that it applies to the latter....)

Yes, the reason is that Windows has modern opaque kernel APIs, and huge changes under the hood can be compatible with older kernel extensions. Because Windows 7 did not make major changes to kernel APIs, it did not warrant changing the Major ID in the version number.
In other words, by the venerable hypocrite himself:

Yep, like a service pack.
 
I never understood why so many appleites beat up on Microsofts pricing but yet admittingly have no problem play in a premium for apple products?
 
Damn the normal prices are high ... omg and that was before I remembered to work the exchange rate. At least $NZ1 is at $US0.7 at the moment, it could be worse, but still that's probably going to be $NZ200 minimum; seems a lot for playing with in boot camp! But I might get one for the home Mac mini that runs Windows most of the time.
 
I never understood why so many appleites beat up on Microsofts pricing but yet admittingly have no problem play in a premium for apple products?
MS has designed a sole campaign targeted at Apple's prices, yet has no problem charging exorbitant prices themselves for multi-varietied updates. Seems to be a bit contradictory.
 
That's anything but simple. If the average user has to ponder that for more than a second, something is wrong.

Windows Home
Windows Server

That's simple.

It shouldn't take a chart with several rows and columns and colours to explain an upgrade.

spoken like a true, close-minded apple fanboy who thinks that choice is actually a bad thing.
 
So a home/take notebook to work user needs full drive encryption? Well OS X does not offer full drive encryption.

Um you do realize that your home folder is practically the whole computer for each user account? Your library, music, movies, documents, downloads, pictures and desktop are in your home folder. How much more do you need to encrypt on your Mac, the applications and Utilities? :rolleyes:

Also my point was when you buy a new computer the OS should ready for anything you need it for. The user shouldn't have to upgrade the OS in case they want to use the computer for business needs.
 
MS has designed a sole campaign targeted at Apple's prices, yet has no problem charging exorbitant prices themselves for multi-varietied updates. Seems to be a bit contradictory.

apple clearly was the first to target pc's in ads.

how are the prices exorbitant??? was every mac OS always 9.95? does MS charge for service packs or firmware upgrades?
 
How the average Joe is supposed to know if it is OK to install 64 bit, or whether he should install 32 bit instead, is completely beyond me. It also seems like it would be difficult to switch back and forth from 32 to 64 bit kernels if you wanted to try something out (apparently requiring a re-install of windows, unless I'm missing something).

the 'average joe' will know nothing and just buy a mac because they're too simplistic to figure out anything on their own.
 
MS has designed a sole campaign targeted at Apple's prices, yet has no problem charging exorbitant prices themselves for multi-varietied updates. Seems to be a bit contradictory.

My son is in school and MS acedemic program has Vista Ultimate for $59 and other versions for $30.
Office had similar prices schemes.
 
Retail salespeople have been able to do some training on Expertzone.microsoft.com, and can then pay $10 for shipping on a full copy of Windows 7 Ultimate...which I should be getting hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks :)

Of course I'm still OS X (Snow Leopard!) all the way, but it's still good to have an idea what the competition is up to... :)
 
This is highly commendable, for MS. Good to know.
Microsoft has an academic alliance with nearly every major higher education institution. I have yet to find one where you can't get Microsoft software and many others for dirt cheap.

I can't say the same for Apple's education pricing and programs lately. You seem out of the loop if you can only think of this recent Windows 7 one or the Back to School program Apple runs as it.

I'll admit this one from Microsoft has gotten some media attention but it is SOP at most schools. It feels bizarre for it to get this much attention.
 
Um you do realize that your home folder is practically the whole computer for each user account? Your library, music, movies, documents, downloads, pictures and desktop are in your home folder. How much more do you need to encrypt on your Mac, the applications and Utilities? :rolleyes:

Also my point was when you buy a new computer the OS should ready for anything you need it for. The user shouldn't have to upgrade the OS in case they want to use the computer for business needs.

Then buy a new computer with Ultimate. It's only a $150 upgrade. :)

On a related note, why does Hulu run like ass in OS X? I'm trying to watch Warehouse 13 on a 2nd display and it's tearing pretty bad, and it's not my connection. The buffer is full.
 
On a related note, why does Hulu run like ass in OS X? I'm trying to watch Warehouse 13 on a 2nd display and it's tearing pretty bad, and it's not my connection. The buffer is full.
The Flash plug-in sucks under OS X. It sucks even more under Snow Leopard.
 
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