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Kinda classless. Microsoft is desperate. Surely a person would have to be nearly insane to trade a mac for a pc especially one made by a maker with very little experience. Apple has fully mastered integration. Microsoft is just starting to think about these things.
 
Was reading comments on a post before (believe it was his post just on the facebook page) and people are saying that you'd be getting ripped off only getting 550 for a base model mid 2012. How is 550 a ripoff? Is it worth that much more?
Just wondering cause I have one and not a big fan of it and would like to sell it for a 15 inch macbook
 
In all honesty, I use OS X and Windows 10 on a regular basis. All my home computers are Macs and one PC. I try to stay current with all things PC and Mac. Windows 10 is actually pretty good. If you approach it with an open mind and don't expect it to act like OS X or visa-versa, you will find pluses and minuses to each operating system.

For me personally the trackpad on a Mac is the benchmark. It just works better than anything I have found on a PC laptop. On the other hand, a touch screen and a pen are pretty useful as well once you get used to it.

The only thing that was keeping me from a PC laptop with Windows 10 was the trackpad, and PDF integration. Apple does a really good job integrating pdf files with preview. You have to pay (a lot) (See Adobe) for the same type of usefulness with a Windows 10.

That being said, it seems to me just about any PC laptop over $1000 will have an i7 processor, and the ability to upgrade ram or hard drives. At this point cost is pushing me towards a PC.
 
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I love this. Bring on some serious competition! We need more competition or we get what we got today. Buy this cuz you have no other choice. Oh, and we are going to up the price too. At least by me a drink first Apple. I wish Microsoft, Dell and all PC makers the best. Maybe that will give Apple the courage to worry more about their products then their new office building.
 
It's true that the new pricing is bad, but I wouldn't have upgraded anyway. After all, I got my current one since last February. No need to upgrade. :p

Yeah, that's great. WE don't care, some of us do need to upgrade. Enjoy little homie
 
That might be tempting, if it ran OS X...that's still the prime reason to stick with a Mac, even if the hardware under it is becoming a question. Now, if I had an old laptop, it might be fun to get a Surface and try to put Linux on it...

It may be time for me to look into a Hackintosh or getting 2012 Mac Pro, it doesn't seem like Apple is taking their desktop computers seriously anymore.
The "if it ran osx" comment is very trite. People just don't look for os x anymore...if people need something to get work done...they will buy whatever is necessary.
 
Kaby Lake is the new one probably the top 1 which it's not in the macs, and they should have increased the battery life, and the price of storage is just greed. They are charging more this year for a processor thats a year old.

The surface studio that many are praising is using year old processor as well. So should we chalk it up as outdated and overpriced as well?
 
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To put into perspective, Microsoft didn't update their existing Surface Pro and Surface Book lineup at all, and they only added a more expensive Surface book model.

So, in essence, Apple did more than Microsoft on their portable lineup.
This actually shows the diminishing return of intel. Skylake to Kabbylake actually is only minimal improvements. Plus intel is not pushing its GPU as much as Apple would like (we can see what Apple is doing on its Ax SoCs).

Yeah, this keynote is not really a breakthrough. Was hoping for either a cheaper retina MacBook or a new super lightweight 13" MacBook (not the 2 port MacBook "Pro")
Interesting insight
 
I'm guessing they didn't want to miss the holiday season, having already missed the back-to-school season. And Microsoft is shipping new PCs with Skylake chips as well. The Surface Studio has a Skylake chip and it isn't shipping for almost 2 months.

Back to school with a $2,500 laptop?! Are you kidding me!?!?!?
 
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The surface studio that many are praising is using year old processor as well. So should we chalk it up as outdated and overpriced as well?
Outside the shiny shell, the Surface Studio is an embarrassment for a "pro" machine. It has only a single mini displayport (driven by a single notebook GPU no less), and no faster I/O other than USB 3.
Connectivity alone, although we are talking a different thing here, the new Macbook Pro has 4 ports of Thunderbolt 3, which is much more expandable in a pro environment. If people has concerns about the GPU, there's always external GPU.
 
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Outside the shiny shell, the Surface Studio is an embarrassment for a "pro" machine. It has only a single mini displayport (driven by a single notebook GPU no less), and no faster I/O other than USB 3.
Connectivity alone, although we are talking a different thing here, the new Macbook Pro has 4 ports of Thunderbolt 3, which is much more expandable in a pro environment. If people has concerns about the GPU, there's always external GPU.
True, but it's not a gaming machine. It's business and art like machine.
 
So I guess all the new Microsoft fanboys will be leaving MR and moving to whatever equivalent Windows fan site there is? One can hope...
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The surface studio that many are praising is using year old processor as well. So should we chalk it up as outdated and overpriced as well?
The internals could be much better for the price. The display is absolutely amazing though. But yeah ... the internals ...
 
So I guess all the new Microsoft fanboys will be leaving MR and moving to whatever equivalent Windows fan site there is? One can hope...
Might not want that... unless you want to remain in 3 /4 people here :D
 
True, but it's not a gaming machine. It's business and art like machine.
Who said anything about gaming? GPU is important in pro apps as well.
A business machine? $3000 and touch screen to do excel? Talk to any companies and see if they are willing to spend $3k per desktop machine for their admin people to do Excel.
 
Who said anything about gaming? GPU is important in pro apps as well.
A business machine? $3000 and touch screen to do excel? Talk to any companies and see if they are willing to spend $3k per desktop machine for their admin people to do Excel.
It's more than using excel. How about creativity sector? Video editing/ drawing...etc. Business.
GPU is not everything. There are other factors.
 
It's more than using excel. How about creativity sector? Video editing/ drawing...etc. Business.
Video editing -> GPU and i/o limitation.
So what's left is drawing. And I agree this the target customer for the Surface Studio. High end design houses.
 
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The big problem with the new Surface is that they both have last gen graphics chips. Switch to FinFET and I might consider but I am not buying a 28nm gfx card in 2016.
 
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