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Both are great companies. For business Windows is unmatched in therms of functionality. For video and music Mac’s are better
That's basically it.
In the real world and business world, Windows still dominates and so do lots of software that's Still made Only for Windows, so a lot more Windows users globally.
For media and education, Apple dominates, though the education world is more split with Windows users.
Each company has their own customer base demographics. To each their own.

Over the years, it's not Windows that's bad, which it Is still, but the software that runs in Windows.
What are people doing in Windows that's driving them crazy daily? Sure, Windows itself can be frustrating but it's more of the software used that's the issue. Many companies are still too cheap to upgrade their IT system so are using Old hardware so that doesn't help and not really a Windows issue.
 
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So it doesn't matter, but fire the CEO. Got it.

Not at all, I said it is one additional reason why Cook might be shown the door.

You have lagging sales of Apple's core product lines, being late to the AI party, buggy software, Watches that can't be sold.

You've then got what I'm predicting will be a mediocre reception to Vision Pro when it launches next month.

It's becoming increasingly clear there is new leadership needed at the head of Apple.
 
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Not at all, I said it is one additional reason why Cook might be shown the door.

You have lagging sales of Apple's core product lines, being late to the AI party, buggy software, Watches that can't be sold.

You've then got what I'm predicting will be a mediocre reception to Vision Pro when it launches next month.

It's becoming increasingly clear there is new leadership needed at the head of Apple.

I said it early, and I'll say it again. Tim Cook is not going anywhere until he is ready.

The board adores him and he has been a goldmine for the company.
 
I like the new Microsoft that has emerged since the old guard left. Nadella has done well at making MS more open and innovative.

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You can say what you want about M$ but since Nadella is in charge they’re going forward more focused and to me it seems they come out with more software and hardware than Apple ever did. Is it as good as Apple is debatable but at least it isn’t stuck in the pipeline and it’s getting better at a fast pace. I admire Apple with their own processor approach. Further than that it seems Apple is hanging on old success like iPhone etc. Almost every year same form factors are coming out with outrageous pricing. I hope Apple will feel the pressure of their competitors and will come out with better products and will innovate at a faster pace. iPad hasn’t seen much changes, Apple Watch, iMac, MacBooks etc… all same year after year. I understand that you don’t have to fix if it isn’t broken but for a tech company it seems greedy and lazy not to change.
 
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I think it matters more than sports, yet millions of people waste their time watching sports every day.

I think it matters less. At least sports are fun to watch.....this, just doesn't matter (who is #1 vs #2 or #3) and provides no entertainment.

I have investments in both companies... My YOY is up 19%, so whatever.

Go Wings!
 
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Congrats Microsoft. They have been doing well. Although, Apple generated about $170 more billion in revenue than Microsoft last year. I think last quarter's profits were higher for Apple. But, only by a little bit. I guess it's about potential when it comes to stock. I'm not an expert.

Things like AI right now are new buzz word(s). Microsoft is showing investments in this space. And, they are showing growth quarter over quarter in general. Touting Cloud and AI ...software. Versus Apple hardware.

For me, I like Apple being the underdog. Gets you more hungry in my opinion. If stock price matters. But, they have been stalled on things like AI. And, they face planted on the whole car thing. The iPhone still sells well. And, the Vision Pro is a neat trick. But, not pushing the needle.
 
As a shareholder of both companies (purchased Apple in 1996 when Jobs returned and when Microsoft released Windows 3 in 1990), I've been extraordinarily pleased with the results of both. The $3,450 I spent on Microsoft is now worth over $600,000. And almost likewise for Apple. And that's not counting the dividends, which are each over $5K/year. Thanks, guys! Keep competing with each other for Market Cap!
 
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You can say what you want about M$ but since Nadella is in charge they’re going forward more focused and to me it seems they come out with more software and hardware than Apple ever did. Is it as good as Apple is debatable but at least it isn’t stuck in the pipeline and it’s getting better at a fast pace. I admire Apple with their own processor approach. Further than that it seems Apple is hanging on old success like iPhone etc. Almost every year same form factors are coming out with outrageous pricing. I hope Apple will feel the pressure of their competitors and will come out with better products and will innovate at a faster pace. iPad hasn’t seen much changes, Apple Watch, iMac, MacBooks etc… all same year after year. I understand that you don’t have to fix if it isn’t broken but for a tech company it seems greedy and lazy not to change.

I also like what Nadella is doing, mostly in the software space. It's a refreshing change in attitude from the earlier regimes, and I think that change in attitude unlocked a lot of Microsoft's potential.

Their hardware, Xbox aside, isn't much to talk about, in my opinion. It serves as a vehicle to try to push the market in directions they'd like to open for their software-- similar to how Google positions Pixel. It's not affecting their bottom line very much.

Microsoft is every bit as dependent on old successes as Apple is, if not more so. The vast majority of Microsofts profits come from Windows, Office, and enterprise and servers. Azure is a growing part of the mix, just as services are a growing part of Apple's.

Microsoft's stock price is riding high on the AI hype, in particular because of their investment in OpenAI and the use of Azure as an AI training and hosting service. I think there's a lot of potential for Microsoft in that space, but I'd argue that is building on their core businesses. The Bing stuff is a fun toy, but I still think it's more hype than value at the moment. Apple is also deep into AI in ways that are more practical but less visible.

One key difference between the companies is Microsoft presents technology for technology's sake and demonstrates a lot of ideas even if they aren't what Apple would consider ready. Apple will sit on things for ages until they think it's right. Hololens and Vision Pro are a great modern example of that difference in thinking. It comes down to a difference in where they sit in the technology stack though-- Microsoft benefits from publishing ideas early because their business is largely built on creating the infrastructure others use to make their products, so inspiring others forward is more important than succeeding in their own effort. Apple is an end product manufacturer and are more interested in getting it right and maintaining a consistent experience for their users.

What Nadella has done that Ballmer failed at is he realizes that it's that partnership with others that advances Microsoft's ambitions. Gates started as an underdog, was focused on world domination, and largely succeeded. Ballmer couldn't adapt to that new world and never abandoned the old scrappy, pugilistic style. Nadella successfully made the change from faster alone to further together.
 
Thank that one analyst from Barclay's. This one guy decided it was time to "take a breather" on Apple. That wiped out a lot of on-paper money for a lot of people. How much you want to bet that somebody else shorted the market and made a fortune?
Exactly. The price falls on their advice…goes up again some time later. As if they don’t know they could manipulate the stock on that way.
 
Microsoft has become one of the most evil companies on the planet. They used to make money from selling software. Now they make money with collecting user data and annoying their users with ads in software they bought. Microsoft should be stopped by the EU immediately.
 
Just wait until the Apple Vision Pro comes out! Microsoft see you! And I wouldn't want to be you! <sarcasm/>
 
You single-handedly brought Apple to their knees. I take my hat off to you, sir.

It wasn’t single-handed. There were dozens of us!

Seriously though I did the exact same thing. Had Apple One, Apple raised the price, I realized it wasn’t worth what I was paying for it in the first place. Definitely not the only one that did that.
 
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I don't recall Apple ever caring about or focusing their attention on their market cap.
Only one time that I can recall. The day Steve Jobs pointed out that Apple was worth more than Dell. (During Apple's beleaguered period, Dell had recommended that Apple shut down the company and return the money to the shareholders. Seems almost impossible to believe now.)
 
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