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Not surprising. AI is definitely not Apple's forte if you consider Siri's horribly slow advancement since its inception. Considering Siri has been around since 2011, it doesn't show much advancement given its 12 year tenure.
 
AI is a lot of hype. Yes, it is doing some neat things. Yes, it will make some work easier. Yes, it will eventually replace jobs. But AI has a lot of flaws and is unreliable. It requires a human to monitor it.

Apple is not wrong to be cautious. They might end up looking like the smart ones. Still, Siri is an embarrassment.
 
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I wonder if it so hard for Apple to create an enhanced, optional Pro version of Siri that is way more advanced, AI-powered, for the sake of less privacy.

I don't think using privacy as an excuse of how crappy Siri can be stretched any thinner. First, I don't believe it, they surely must be mining their massive database, and second, even in queries that need no user context Siri is consistently poorer than the competition.

Apple's silence in this new era of AI-powered tools is a little bit concerning too; I hope they are working on a powerful and user-friendly version behind closed doors, like they often do, because if not they might be in trouble.
 
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I don't think using privacy as an excuse of how crappy Siri is can be stretched any more thin. First, I don't believe it, they must be mining their massive database, and second, even in queries that need no user context Siri is consistently poorer than the competition.

Apple's silence in this new era of AI-powered tools is a little bit concerning too; I hope they are working on a powerful and user-friendly version behind closed doors, like they often do, because if not they might be in trouble.
Why do humans need AI power tools? Is the lack of intelligence so pronounced in this world that is needed badly?
 
Make macOS the best platform for machine learning, implement the best version of OpenGL/Vulkan and be compatible/competitive again.
I would love nothing more than this, but Apple has firmly made up their minds and moved full speed ahead towards incompatibility. Apple Silicon alone pretty much ascertained that, as Apple will want to drop Rosetta eventually, and even with it not everything one would want to work, works. Even before that, they abandoned OpenGL 13 years ago and refuse to allow Vulkan, but even if they wanted to push everyone to Metal, it would help if Metal was at least consistently feature-par with open standards.

Did Apple flounder the gaming industry?
They made more money off mobile gaming than Microsoft did off of the Xbox and Windows gaming in 2021, so…
I’m going to say… No. No they didn’t.
Now you can dive deep into if mobile gaming is actual “true” gaming or not, but gamers lie. Money doesn’t.
And apple is making a lot of money off of mobile gaming.
You and he are talking about different things. The debate isn't whether it's "real" gaming or not, it's about if there's a difference, which there obviously is. Your argument isn't too dissimilar to someone responding to the AI topic with "Apple makes excellent AI hardware, and that's more important because the ML cores in these MacBooks make far more money than any GPT-like service possibly could!" Sure, that's fair, but talking about AI software and hardware are two separate discussions, and one can't just pretend the former isn't a miss because Apple makes more money on the latter. Yes, mobile gaming makes more money, but it's not what we're talking about. Apple definitely did miss the boat on Mac gaming. Their success in another category doesn't negate that.

HIPPA is a crock. Everyone gets to see your health records, and do anything they want with them, except doctors and nurses. This is to protect you. Only .gov could come up with something like that
Huh... I was wondering how far we could get before this thread was fully derailed.
 
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I get them if I give it a very simple prompt, but if I give it a thorough prompt and tell it how to approach answering without leading it to the answer I've had enormous success, to the point where I wonder if people are totally under-estimating the capabilities of this tool as it exists in its current state.
I have had the same experience. I think people are under the impression that you can just "tell it what you mean" and it will give you an answer. In all fairness, this is true for many simple things.

However, you actually have to treat it like a programming language. If you are very specific with your prompts, with clear direction on the task to do and the output format, you can get spectacular results.

Here is an example from my own work:
Python:
   prompt = (f"Please summarize the following comment in one sentence,"
          f"either starting with \"Suggestion:\" or \"Unexpected:\" or \"Frustrated:\" as appropriate:\n\n{text}\n\nSummary:"
          )

This has unlocked massive power for me, both in terms of personal productivity and in terms of benefits to our company because of what we can extract from text. We haven't even gotten to the generation part but, given how prolific I've become with the help of this tool, that will probably happen tomorrow.
 
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The more access the AI has to your personal information - the more accurate and helpful. Now let's figure out where the line is between having all your info spilled out into a data mad, completely insecure large language model system, blah, blah, blah. What it all comes down to is where do you draw the line between privacy and an invasive system that, what, helps you compose an email?
 
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Could people stop bad mouthing Microsoft regarding privacy? Remember, Apple makes Google search its default search engine in Safari. Also, which of the lesser evil would you rather choose? Also remember, 89% of computers run on Windows and the vast majority are in the Enterprise. If you go to a bank to do any transaction, you are least likely to find a Mac or Linux computer. Obviously businesses have a lot of confidence in Microsoft software and technologies to trust them with their data. If you work in a company and even use Apple devices, 9 times out of 10 it’s gonna be managed by Azure using MDM policies.

Let’s just stop trying to save face and admit Apple sucks at AI and services like Search.
Microsoft sucks at privacy. Intentionally. No, I’m not going to stop bad-mouthing them. Thanks. Did you know they scan your documents in things like Office and if you use language that doesn’t agree with their views (in Word, for example) they can modify/delete/whatever your document? They even have a politically-infused spellcheck and word suggestion now. You must be kidding with how bothered you are by this. Microsoft is a garbage company. They are not looking out for you. Apple and Google suck too. How much suckiness you are willing to tolerate is up to you. But at this point, the situation is pick your poison.
 
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Considering that Apple is actually a hardware company, and that they have been shipping a chip capable of accelerating neural network calculations on most of their devices since 2017, I'm pretty sure they know what's up. Currently they are doing a lot of in-device neural network calculations for photography and the chips are still running at 20% capacity. If you also add that they are shipping an underutilized but very powerful ultrawideband radio since 2017 in the same IC, the idea of a private neural network mesh is not that far out, maybe the communication protocol is being tested with AirTags and AirPods.

A new Siri is coming soon and it is nothing like the Siri we know. It is not being built by the same teams that based their work on the Siri acquisition, and it is a more compelling and complex system than just a conversational assistant. They already have the hardware, if you think like them, you just have to add some imagination... or maybe they really don't read any computer science journals and didn't knew that this LLM thing was coming...
 
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Apple focusing on making a big splash with VR/AR while Microsoft is working on the real future: artificial intelligence.
This x 1000.

It's amazing how fast Microsoft's progress has been and the ease at which they've integrated it seamlessly into Edge, Windows & Bing.

I've been shocked how good it is. Well worth installing the Bing app as well which is not something I ever thought I'd say.
 
Apple needs to do something with AI because other companies are jumping far ahead while Siri is still pretty crap. Apple has been asleep at the wheel for far too long.
 
Could people stop bad mouthing Microsoft regarding privacy? Remember, Apple makes Google search its default search engine in Safari. Also, which of the lesser evil would you rather choose? Also remember, 89% of computers run on Windows and the vast majority are in the Enterprise. If you go to a bank to do any transaction, you are least likely to find a Mac or Linux computer. Obviously businesses have a lot of confidence in Microsoft software and technologies to trust them with their data. If you work in a company and even use Apple devices, 9 times out of 10 it’s gonna be managed by Azure using MDM policies.

Let’s just stop trying to save face and admit Apple sucks at AI and services like Search.
Agree with most, though I will say that nothing has beaten Apple in my experience when it comes to on-device search. When they first released Spotlight it made all other computer searches for files in the dust... and being able to search for a file or email or inside a document was and still is game changing. Having to search for stuff on my Windows box at work makes me sad with the amount of time it takes and the lack of results sometimes
 
Considering that Apple is actually a hardware company, and that they have been shipping a chip capable of accelerating neural network calculations on most of their devices since 2017, I'm pretty sure they know what's up. Currently they are doing a lot of in-device neural network calculations for photography and the chips are still running at 20% capacity. If you also add that they are shipping an underutilized but very powerful ultrawideband radio since 2017 in the same IC, the idea of a private neural network mesh is not that far out, maybe the communication protocol is being tested with AirTags and AirPods.

A new Siri is coming soon and it is nothing like the Siri we know. It is not being built by the same teams that based their work on the Siri acquisition, and it is a more compelling and complex system than just a conversational assistant. They already have the hardware, if you think like them, you just have to add some imagination... or maybe they really don't read any computer science journals and didn't knew that this LLM thing was coming...
Apple have been left on the starting blocks while the rest of the industry and Microsoft in particular have already lapped Apple 100 times.

Apple need to enter the race, and fast.
 
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I dont doubt that Apple is behind but this article conflates a story about apples past with a story about MS future efforts and tries to make them simultaneous. They might be...but no evidence of that here so bad journalism but good click bait.
 
The company I work for will definitely be using this. Microsoft was smart to jump on this. Anyone who thinks this is a fad but mixed reality goggles are the future is just letting their Apple bias cloud their judgement.
 
Could people stop bad mouthing Microsoft regarding privacy? Remember, Apple makes Google search its default search engine in Safari. Also, which of the lesser evil would you rather choose? Also remember, 89% of computers run on Windows and the vast majority are in the Enterprise. If you go to a bank to do any transaction, you are least likely to find a Mac or Linux computer. Obviously businesses have a lot of confidence in Microsoft software and technologies to trust them with their data. If you work in a company and even use Apple devices, 9 times out of 10 it’s gonna be managed by Azure using MDM policies.

Let’s just stop trying to save face and admit Apple sucks at AI and services like Search.
Ha, the health care company I work for allows us to use Apple devices to access our 0365 products but the security is all through Microsoft Authenticator. I’m curious why people have this notion that Microsoft, at least in enterprise, isn’t secure or privacy focused.
 
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This has been Microsoft's business strategy from day 1. Look up the history of DOS...

If you can't innovate then simply buy out someone else who can and take all the credit because capitalism.
Apple bought Fingerworks. Apple bought PA Semi. Apple bought Siri.
 
Ha, the health care company I work for allows us to use Apple devices to access our 0365 products but the security is all through Microsoft Authenticator. I’m curious why people have this notion that Microsoft, at least in enterprise, isn’t secure or privacy focused.
Security, yes. Privacy, no.
 
Ha, the health care company I work for allows us to use Apple devices to access our 0365 products but the security is all through Microsoft Authenticator. I’m curious why people have this notion that Microsoft, at least in enterprise, isn’t secure or privacy focused.
You really think heath care industry is going welcome AI that much when patient privacy is so paramount? IMHO the expectations from this topic are a bit too futurist when all this does is relate to a version of ChatGPT that will need years of perfecting by MS to make it Privacy focused. I guess I am trying to say there are a lot of bridges to cross to then. ;)
 
Apple will continue to grow, but I have serious doubts they will catch-up in this specific field. I hope I'm wrong, but due to their company culture, internal politics, and technology stack they are far more focused on specific product niches vs. a generalized approach. Apple Legal would also probably prevent them from scraping as much data as these other tools (rightly or wrongly) have.

If you read about the inner workings of the Siri team from multiple ex-members, you can see how dogmatic they are. I truly think Apple have missed the boat on this, but it won't cost them market share necessarily – almost nobody is buying a laptop to run a neural network, and what "AI" acceleration Apple offers is more than enough for consumers.

It sucks as a scientist, though. I hope I'm proved wrong with the Mac Pro, but I'd bet high odds on that being a machine to serve creatives and not scientists, I think Apple are out of that market for good, sadly. If tools do come, which some have, I think they are going to be developed by third parties and "happen" to run on MacOS, or leverage a specific facet of the Apple Silicon chips, like Stable Diffusion etc. LLMs are a whole other can of worms and I'd love an in-house Apple alternative but I just don't see it happening any time soon with their current leadership.

In terms of market share, in the short term I would definitely agree. In the long-term, I do think it will matter how smart they can make the tools that people actually use and how deeply they need to be integrated into the system to actually work.

Apple's cash cow is the iPhone, which does not really allow any flexible integration with anything. Who knows what's going to happen, but I do think it's only a matter of time before AI truly arrives at the OS level and we're very early towards a new way to interact with devices and services.

A new user interface and the opportunities it created killed the Blackberry and the rest of the traditional mobile phone industry with it, not hardware superiority.
 
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I recall an episode of Star Trek Voyager in which they come upon a race of people who had never heard music before. The Doctor sings and it is practically a Beatlemania (Doctormania?) story. This planet wants the Doctor to leave Voyager and stay to entertain them with this new thing called music. Voyager needs the Doctor to stay with the ship and be the Doctor.

In the end, the people of the planet program a new musician(s) who can "sing" in ways far beyond what we humans- and The Doctor- consider music. The Doctor is no longer needed because their AI musician(s) took music far beyond what humans could appreciate/know.

I hope this is not going to be that. I guess I enjoy the conceit of human creativity being the pinnacle of creativity. If the computers become more creative, our position at the top of many chains will take a hit. I'd rather cling to being King of the Mountain than ceding it to piles of silicon.
The irony is that the doctor himself was AI.
 
I am starting to worry that I am getting old and follow into the steps of my parents. Loosing the plot without realising it ... 😅

First there was crypto currency - never understood it
Then there was NFT - never understood it
Now there is ChatGPT - hardly understand it, but mostly since I do not feel like I want to get involved either. Seems like one of those things that the media tries really hard to make you believe that you NEED it

You will find me on Instagram - remembering RealPlayer and AIM, wondering if things like Limewire or Kazaa still exist today
Not to worry. Crypto and NFT’s are both ridiculous nonsense. You didn’t miss anything.
That you never pretended to understand them as others have foolishly done says a lot about you. People have lost a lot of money on both as we are close to the bottom of the con.

AI on the other hand is amazing. A new chapter in technology. We just have to keep our eyes on it and ensure we have mitigations in place as the unscrupulous are drooling over the malice they hope to unleash.
 
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Microsoft is planning to launch a privacy-focused version of ChatGPT amid Apple's apparent lack of grip on emerging AI technologies, The Information reports.

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Microsoft's Azure cloud server unit plans to offer a version of ChatGPT that runs on dedicated cloud servers where the data is kept separate from that of other customers later this quarter. Data on this isolated server will not communicate with the main ChatGPT system to preserve privacy. The service could cost as much as 10 times more than what customers currently pay to use ChatGPT.

The move seeks to appeal to businesses, such as banks, financial services, and healthcare institutions, who have avoided adopting ChatGPT out of fear that their employees could inadvertently give the chatbot sensitive proprietary information. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman today reported that Samsung has banned employee use of generative AI utilities like ChatGPT after the discovery that staff had uploaded sensitive source code to the platform. The company is said to be concerned that data transmitted to artificial intelligence platforms including Bing and Google Bard could end up being disclosed to other users.

OpenAI has already sold Morgan Stanley a private ChatGPT service that does not involve Microsoft. The bank's wealth management division is already using the service to allow employees to ask questions and analyze content in thousands of the bank's market research documents.

Microsoft salespeople are said to already be fielding inquiries from organizations about the forthcoming product. Many large customers, including banks, have existing contracts with Azure, which could prove advantageous in persuading them Microsoft will manage their data securely.

Last week, it emerged that Siri and Apple's AI efforts have been severely hamstrung by organizational dysfunction and a lack of ambition. Many Apple employees purportedly left the company because it was too slow to make decisions or too conservative in its approach to new AI technologies, including the large-language models that underpin chatbots like ChatGPT.

Microsoft's latest move seemingly leapfrogs Apple to offer a privacy-focused AI chatbot in a ringfenced environment. Apple's uncompromising stance on privacy and insistence on a high level of control over its products and services has reportedly created considerable challenges for enhancing ‌Siri and the company's investment in AI technologies‌.

Apple has pushed for an increasing number of Siri's functions to be performed on-device and the company apparently prefers ‌its responses to be pre-written by a team of around 20 writers, rather than AI-generated, to maximize privacy and control. This has seemingly left the company out of the AI chatbot race, allowing Microsoft to flaunt Apple's preferred privacy credentials in the AI arena.

Article Link: Microsoft Planning Privacy-Focused Version of ChatGPT as Apple AI Efforts Flounder
AI is very dangerous and should be stamped on FULL STOP!
Apple is doing the right thing 👍
 
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