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Microsoft Planning Privacy-Focused Version of ChatGPT as Apple AI Efforts Flounder
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Microsoft & Privacy in the same sentence is almost as funny as Google & Privacy!
Edit: For everyone butt hurt by my comment:
A professor says Edge is the worst for privacy. Microsoft isn't happy
Could it be that Google was right to accuse Microsoft Edge of being insecure? New research suggested it's the least private browser you can have. So I asked Redmond what it thought.www.zdnet.com
Microsoft Edge Sends Data to Bing for Every Visited Website, Raising Privacy Issues
Microsoft was recently discovered to have been sharing every visited website to its search engine. A newly discovered privacy issue on the Microsoft Edge browser is enraging users because it sends every website visited by a user on the platform to the Bing search engine, turned on by default unlesswww.techtimes.com
Microsoft Confirms Windows 10 Privacy Investigation With A $4 Billion Sting
The thorny issue of Windows 10 data collection and user consent could bite hard as an investigation is confirmed with a potential fine of up to 4% of Microsoft's annual $100 billion global turnover at stake.www.forbes.com
Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, and WebEx are collecting more customer data than they appear to be
Be aware of what you’re agreeing to in the privacy policy.www.theverge.com
I could go on but it seems unnecessary.
Microsoft & Privacy in the same sentence is almost as funny as Apple & Privacy or Google & Privacy!
11 Apple Privacy Problems That Might Surprise You
From ads to analytics, everyone's favorite "privacy" company is doing more with your data than you might think.
gizmodo.com
Apple's Siri Continues to Listen to Conversations, Despite Last Year's Controversy
A year after a whistleblower claimed Apple's voice assistant was listening in to conversations of iPhone and iPad users, users' privacy remains to be at risk as Siri continues to listen.
www.techtimes.com
Apple's own programs bypass firewalls and VPNs in Big Sur
Apple has made strange choice in macOS 11 that pose risks to both security and privacy - and protecting yourself is not easy
www.macworld.com
Built-in iOS VPNs Leaking Traffic Data From Over Two Years Ago - Spiceworks
According to a security researcher from New York, iOS and iPadOS devices leak data when the VPN is connected, a feature designed to do the opposite.
Apple sued for promising privacy, failing at it
What's allowed for Cupertino is verboten for everyone else
Apple's $30 mln settlement over employee bag checks gets court approval
A federal judge in California has signed off on Apple Inc.'s $30.5 million settlement in a nearly decade-old lawsuit claiming the company shortchanged 15,000 retail workers by not paying them for time spent in security checks after their shifts.
Not to forget, the CSAM controversy:
Apple defends new anti-child abuse measures after backlash
Critics penned an open letter, which was signed by 5,000 people and organisations, raising concerns over privacy.
www.euronews.com
I could go on but it seems unnecessary.
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Haha. Businesses use Microsoft because PCs are cheaper. And, compatibility...they have to. Not because of confidence. Hilarious. Sorry. You normally have good comments on MR. But, this one was a huge miss. Basically, what you are saying is market share instills confidence and they must be doing something right. So, by that comment, I assume you don't own a Mac. Why would you?
That said, every company for profit has their issues with privacy. Even Apple.
Somehow I trust Microsoft even less than Google with privacy. Google can at least provide a decent level of security while Microsoft is full of bugs and data leaks.
OpenAI already announced chatGPT for business. It's better to pay the guys who created the thing directly.
OpenAI already announced chatGPT for business. It's better to pay the guys who created the thing directly.
We have over 30 K iOS devices in our Enterprise and here is a secret, they are the worse to manage. And you don't realize how contradictory your own statements are. You claim market share doesn't instill confidence, so, 2 billion iOS devices in use should not instill confidence either, right?
I understand that, but Siri was never any good at answering simple things either. And just because it wasn't meant to be an AI doesn't mean they can't rebrand it as such (with updates of course.)
ChatGPT, while marginally more useful than previous chatbots, and a lot more entertaining, is still hideously inaccurate. Kudos to Apple for not jumping on that bandwagon. (though missing it by accident instead of by choice is not good.)
Siri is disappointingly limited, but at least it says "I don't know" if it can't answer. ChatGPT just makes stuff up.
Siri is disappointingly limited, but at least it says "I don't know" if it can't answer. ChatGPT just makes stuff up.
Exactly!
People need to stop and think about what they are doing.
We’re not going to be able to create a Nobel Peace prize if there is no one left to give the prize to, because the AI bots have taken over and decided people don’t matter.
Microsoft & Privacy in the same sentence is almost as funny as Apple & Privacy or Google & Privacy!
11 Apple Privacy Problems That Might Surprise You
From ads to analytics, everyone's favorite "privacy" company is doing more with your data than you might think.
Apple's Siri Continues to Listen to Conversations, Despite Last Year's Controversy
A year after a whistleblower claimed Apple's voice assistant was listening in to conversations of iPhone and iPad users, users' privacy remains to be at risk as Siri continues to listen.
Apple's own programs bypass firewalls and VPNs in Big Sur
Apple has made strange choice in macOS 11 that pose risks to both security and privacy - and protecting yourself is not easy
Built-in iOS VPNs Leaking Traffic Data From Over Two Years Ago - Spiceworks
According to a security researcher from New York, iOS and iPadOS devices leak data when the VPN is connected, a feature designed to do the opposite.www.spiceworks.com
Apple sued for promising privacy, failing at it
What's allowed for Cupertino is verboten for everyone elsewww.theregister.com
Apple's $30 mln settlement over employee bag checks gets court approval
A federal judge in California has signed off on Apple Inc.'s $30.5 million settlement in a nearly decade-old lawsuit claiming the company shortchanged 15,000 retail workers by not paying them for time spent in security checks after their shifts.www.reuters.com
Not to forget, the CSAM controversy:
Apple defends new anti-child abuse measures after backlash
Critics penned an open letter, which was signed by 5,000 people and organisations, raising concerns over privacy.
I could go on but it seems unnecessary.
Touché and some fair points but going after the bag checks (irrelevant) and CSAM (not implemented) undermine your point.
But I'll up you 1 billion reasons Microsoft is worse:
Cybersecurity
Find the latest Cybersecurity news from ConsumerAffairs. See articles related to password protection, hacker warnings and increasing digital defense.
www.consumeraffairs.com
Who owns LinkedIn again?
I'm not the one making that statement, you are. But, you're contracting yourself by saying you have 30K iOS devices and they are not good to manage. But, then you say Microsoft systems instills confidence because they have OS dominant in Enterprise. So, which is it?
Also, with their 30 K iOS, I assume you guys have a good MDM or made your own. I agree. Manage ANY mobile sucks. But, so does manage Windows Hosts. And, Mac hosts. The point is security and you claimed confidence is built with market share. I disagree.
In the past Apple's approach to privacy and on device processing has resulted in general is inferior products to the likes of Google, but Apple has won on the value of privacy, and design, and their ecosystem, but now where the gap between Apple and others such and OpenAI and soon to be Google is so dramatic, many of us will have a much harder decision, since privacy, design, and the ecosystem is important, but only so far. While I can't imagine ever switching from the Mac, I've already switched homepods all for Google Assistant devices and works so much incredibly better. The new Google TV experience is much better than AppleTV, but AppleTV hardware and integration are better, but if ai is more interwined into the product, then may find myself switching to GoogleTV. Already use several nest products. And while I can never imagine switching from a Mac, the idea of switching to Android phone may some day be more appealing as we all slowly switch to other products and the ecosystem appeal becomes less or as Google design becomes better. Siri is so central to everything, and we've all given them years to improve, and hoping this will be the year we see Siri 2.0 or a completely new version, but never comes and still have 0 confidence it will in the next few years.
I never have issues managing Windows clients at all, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Anyway, you are deflecting this from the issue which is Apple sucks in Search and AI. I don't even know how we got here talking about market share. You are acting like Microsoft is some lousy business that has been around for nearly 40 years. When you build a company that surpasses that then you have argument. In the mean, time, stop bad mouthing businesses for the sake cheer leading. Remember, your type was rebuked by Steve Jobs himself at Macworld 97.
Apple’s response to AI over the years is not that dissimilar from Microsoft’s earlier response to the iPhone:
Do nothing substantial to mitigate being left behind by the success of the product that is currently changing the world.
Stubbornly state that their current efforts are good enough for the masses and continue to be dismissive of their cessation of an entire market.
It worked out great for Ballmer and Windows Phone. Microsoft now offers and ships products which were launched by a company that took the iPhone announcement seriously, working to meet the moment regarding the iPhone: Google and Android OS, shipped on Microsoft’s Surface Duo.
Do nothing substantial to mitigate being left behind by the success of the product that is currently changing the world.
Stubbornly state that their current efforts are good enough for the masses and continue to be dismissive of their cessation of an entire market.
It worked out great for Ballmer and Windows Phone. Microsoft now offers and ships products which were launched by a company that took the iPhone announcement seriously, working to meet the moment regarding the iPhone: Google and Android OS, shipped on Microsoft’s Surface Duo.
I never said MS is a lousy business. You are going off the deep end. And, I never said Apple was good and Search or AI. Did I? What they hell you are talking about. Being around 40 years makes no difference. IBM has been around longer than MS. I guess they must be better based on your thinking. Anyway, you keep going on tangents with your comments. Bring it back to discussion, my point was that just because MS has large market share in Enterprise, doesn't mean you should confidence in any AI work...just because of that. If you think you should, good for you. My type? Not sure what that means.
Touché and some fair points but going after the bag checks (irrelevant) and CSAM (not implemented) undermine your point.
But I'll up you 1 billion reasons Microsoft is worse:
Cybersecurity
Find the latest Cybersecurity news from ConsumerAffairs. See articles related to password protection, hacker warnings and increasing digital defense.
Who owns LinkedIn again?
Also fair points, but dunno if the LinkedIn breach is worse than Apple’s The Fappening (leaked celebrity nude pics) or worse than Apple employees „still“ listening to Siri conversations, and we know how often Siri „accidentally
“ activates.From my point of view, I would say no, simply because most of the LinkedIn data is publicly available anyway, it’s a platform for data sharing. Having an account there is already highly questionable, just like having a FB, Instagram, TikTok & Co account.
Yes, CSAM was not implemented, but Apple vigorously defended it publicly and quietly backed off just because of the public pressure they got. So 0 points for Apple here, too. Bag checks are relevant, but YMMV.
Anyway, they all put their success far above our privacy.
The downside with Apple is, they used to prominently advert with „Privacy!“ while doing the same or worse.
With Google and Microsoft we at least knew we shall be careful and acted correspondingly, at least I did and still do.
Never trust any corp!
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Come on man!
This had nothing to do with Apple and everything to do with celebs that fell for phishing scams, etc.
2014 celebrity nude photo leak - Wikipedia
I for one appreciate the stupidity of celebs! /fapfapfap 💦💦💦
Was just in an internal conference of a company that one of the top managers of Alphabet was speaking, as part of AI he implied that Microsoft approach is unethical, immoral and can be much more dangerous than good… he mentioned that they’ve had LM many years before even OpenAI existed… they just don’t want to be the devil and decided to keep its release fully controlled and based on their own guidelines…
Microsoft is planning to launch a privacy-focused version of ChatGPT amid Apple's apparent lack of grip on emerging AI technologies, The Information reports.
Microsoft's Azure cloud server unit plans to offer a version of ChatGPT that runs on dedicated cloud servers where the data is kept separate from that of other customers later this quarter. Data on this isolated server will not communicate with the main ChatGPT system to preserve privacy. The service could cost as much as 10 times more than what customers currently pay to use ChatGPT.
The move seeks to appeal to businesses, such as banks, financial services, and healthcare institutions, who have avoided adopting ChatGPT out of fear that their employees could inadvertently give the chatbot sensitive proprietary information. Bloomberg's Mark Gurman today reported that Samsung has banned employee use of generative AI utilities like ChatGPT after the discovery that staff had uploaded sensitive source code to the platform. The company is said to be concerned that data transmitted to artificial intelligence platforms including Bing and Google Bard could end up being disclosed to other users.
OpenAI has already sold Morgan Stanley a private ChatGPT service that does not involve Microsoft. The bank's wealth management division is already using the service to allow employees to ask questions and analyze content in thousands of the bank's market research documents.
Microsoft salespeople are said to already be fielding inquiries from organizations about the forthcoming product. Many large customers, including banks, have existing contracts with Azure, which could prove advantageous in persuading them Microsoft will manage their data securely.
Last week, it emerged that Siri and Apple's AI efforts have been severely hamstrung by organizational dysfunction and a lack of ambition. Many Apple employees purportedly left the company because it was too slow to make decisions or too conservative in its approach to new AI technologies, including the large-language models that underpin chatbots like ChatGPT.
Microsoft's latest move seemingly leapfrogs Apple to offer a privacy-focused AI chatbot in a ringfenced environment. Apple's uncompromising stance on privacy and insistence on a high level of control over its products and services has reportedly created considerable challenges for enhancing Siri and the company's investment in AI technologies.
Apple has pushed for an increasing number of Siri's functions to be performed on-device and the company apparently prefers its responses to be pre-written by a team of around 20 writers, rather than AI-generated, to maximize privacy and control. This has seemingly left the company out of the AI chatbot race, allowing Microsoft to flaunt Apple's preferred privacy credentials in the AI arena.
Article Link: Microsoft Planning Privacy-Focused Version of ChatGPT as Apple AI Efforts Flounder
on the other hand Microsoft decided to fire all their ethical ppl…
Google care a lot about money but seems not as much as being a devil…
Hehehe…Come on man!
This had nothing to do with Apple and everything to do with celebs that fell for phishing scams, etc.
2014 celebrity nude photo leak - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I for one appreciate the stupidity of celebs! /fapfapfap
Well, Apple didn’t harden the iCloud interface against brute-force attacks, they allowed firing uncountable of usernames and passwords against it. Having login delays, limiting login retries, temp ip blocking was nothing groundbreaking back in the days. Apple failed hard at this and few weeks after the breach they added it.
Yes, weak passwords was also an issue, Apple could have had a password weakness check, they knew that their user base consists mainly of tech noobs. (Just works?!)
Apple later reported that the victims' iCloud account information was obtained using "a very targeted attack on user names, passwords and security questions", such as phishing and brute-force attack guessing.
Now it’s „Apples iCloud reset„ fiasco which is getting headlined. The show must go on!
Of course, Apple is going to be late to the AI chatbot party, because current technology is just too much filled with privacy disaster waiting to happen.
Apple is focused on machine learning AI, like they have been doing as privacy focused. Unfortunately the neural engine is still not powerful enough to be just as good to do ChatGPT level AI. That is still about three or four years away.
The thing is. Our generation won’t NEED it. But younger generations will. I think I saw someone commenting somewhere that the ability to use ChatGPT or anything like it will be like how we grew up going for jobs with skills on computers and using word/PowerPoint.
It will become a tool like them, but we are older and not likely to be going for those new jobs in 10-20 years.
Now if you don’t mind I need to find a new theme for Winamp.
It really whips the llamaˋs ass!
You just reminded me that it pˋs me off that nowadays music players (Spotify, Apple Music & Co.) has no visualization’s.
One thing AI seems to do remarkably well is diagnosing X-Rays. Their accuracy rate is on par with human radiologists.
Yeah, so Morgan Stanley can buy a private ChatGPT that probably only shares anonymized data with the the Borg Cube.
But I doubt us dirty peasants will get the same privilege.
And the worst is: idiot-developers from all kinds of 3rd-party services that you either use daily or signed up once and use once every fortnight are probably in the process of uploading your data to Microsoft to "improve" whatever result they think they can get. They should not be doing that, but knows?
It's already completely out of control.
But I doubt us dirty peasants will get the same privilege.
And the worst is: idiot-developers from all kinds of 3rd-party services that you either use daily or signed up once and use once every fortnight are probably in the process of uploading your data to Microsoft to "improve" whatever result they think they can get. They should not be doing that, but knows?
It's already completely out of control.