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The registry still needs to be maintained on Windows 7, a lot of it is automated by the OS, like defragging.

Please post proof - I've been running Windows 7 (and Vista) since before public beta days (Microsoft partner), and I've *never* done *anything* to "maintain" my registry.

Without a link to a trusted source, it's FUD.

And, I've never heard of "defragging" my registry before! Is that some kind of brain-washing thing that RedHat spreads?

And, if it doesn't apply to Windows 7, it's not worth mentioning. We don't bring up issues in OS9 or Apple OSX 10.2, so we shouldn't get our knickers in a twist about things that are fixed in the current version of Apple OSX or Windows.
 
i have no idea why mac users are clamoring for blu-ray on their macs. seriously? a blu-ray drive so you can watch 1080p multimedia on a 15" screen? or even a 27" screen for that matter? seems pointless to me. 1080p is meant to be seen on a big tv, at least 40" or higher.

can you imagine a blu-ray drive on a MB, or MBP? crap battery life, in addition to the utilizing a lot of gpu/cpu power to display blu-ray.

Oh, I never thought about that. I hated Blu-Ray but I never realized that the BD drive would also waste MB battery life. I see the world from the perspective of an iMac user ;)

Seriously, Blu-Ray is hopeless. It's just a waste of time, space, and money on any PC now (PC as in personal computer including Mac). Movies downloaded over internet are the present (for some movies) and the near future (for all movies). See what happened to Audio CDs?
 
You mean to tell me that Windows 7 has evolved beyond The Registry? :rolleyes:

I'm well aware of how Windows 7 sucks a little bit less than its predecessors, as I help others grapple with it on a regular basis. ;)

I disagree. Windows 7 is WORSE than its predecessors! I haven't actually tried it myself, but people I know said it's even slower than Vista.

I'd take Windows XP or even 2000 any day rather than use WIN7.


And really, is Microsoft seriously stooping low enough for fake Twitter feeds with hired (or fake) people saying stuff like "OMG I just love Windows 7 it's so chic!!1 lol"--No. Please, no.
 
If apple wanted to make a huge dent in windows shouldn't apple just cut their prices? I mean if their macpro entry level was more like $1500 and imacs under $1000 wouldnt they be better off?

Plus if macs would make good gaming machines for $1000 and more, I believe they could cut into windows market share. But does apple want to do that?
 
I disagree. Windows 7 is WORSE than its predecessors! I haven't actually tried it myself, but people I know said it's even slower than Vista.

I'd take Windows XP or even 2000 any day rather than use WIN7.


And really, is Microsoft seriously stooping low enough for fake Twitter feeds with hired (or fake) people saying stuff like "OMG I just love Windows 7 it's so chic!!1 lol"--No. Please, no.


Umm then you are wrong and proof is you clearly never have tried it. Windows 7 is faster, and takes less resource than vista.

If you want proof Vista could not run hardly at all on my 6 year old computer. Windows 7 RC ran just fine 64 bit on a below required amount of ram. My computer has 1 gig yet 64 bit recommends 2gigs of ram yet windows 7 RC1 ran smoother than 32 bit version of Vista I tried on it. It took less overhead than vista and everything.

You say it runs worse yet things i have read from people who run system and from system admins I have talk to all say 7 runs faster and smoother than Vista did on their computers. It took less over head and ran faster.

I would take both those over your friends and then your hear say repeating them....
 
Obviously, if he thinks that "registry cleanup" is needed. Or if he thinks files are stored in the registry.

Since when are .INI files, or HIVE files not files? LOL

Regarding Registry Corruption, tell this to the thousands of users/month who've failed to clean their Registries. :rolleyes:

Locked Out of Windows 7

Umm then you are wrong and proof is you clearly never have tried it. Windows 7 is faster, and takes less resource than vista.
Which isn't saying much, at all. :)
 
Since when are .INI files, or HIVE files not files? LOL

While it's true that .INI (or .INF) files are files - they are *never* stored in the registry. *Never*.¹

HIVE files are not stored in the registry, quite the opposite - the registry is stored in HIVE files.

Locked Out of Windows 7

How the do results for a search for "Windows 7 registry corrupt" have any bearing on a claim that registry maintenance is required?

¹ Since the Windows registry supports the idea of "blob" entries, it would be possible for an application to store arbitrary file data in the registry. I've never seen this - every app that I've seen will put the path to the .INI/.INF file in the registry - not the file itself. I am open to "the exception that proves the rule".
 
I disagree. Windows 7 is WORSE than its predecessors! I haven't actually tried it myself, but people I know said it's even slower than Vista.

I'd take Windows XP or even 2000 any day rather than use WIN7.


And really, is Microsoft seriously stooping low enough for fake Twitter feeds with hired (or fake) people saying stuff like "OMG I just love Windows 7 it's so chic!!1 lol"--No. Please, no.

:eek: Dangerious assumption. Same thing happened to Vista.

Try the OS yourself before whining about how it works, just logic.

I however have tried W7 from beta and it works fantastic, even from my single core very old laptop, better then Vista.
 
I have used Windows 7. I don't like it. I found it more irritating than Windows XP, even. It is an improvement over previous versions of Windows, but it's still Windows, with the same structural differences and setup which make it impede my workflow. Others rather like the way it works. That's fine.
 
Seriously, Blu-Ray is hopeless. It's just a waste of time, space, and money on any PC now (PC as in personal computer including Mac). Movies downloaded over internet are the present (for some movies) and the near future (for all movies). See what happened to Audio CDs?

Surely you're not referring to that 720p Dolby Digital crap that Apple serves up? Blu-Ray is here for several years to come. With the advent of 3d, you can kiss downloads goodbye for the forseeable future. And then there's that Studio control thing. Nope, optical media are not going anywhere.
 
7 is a very nice OS, especially compared to Windows past. That said, it's not for me (other than existing on my computer in a VM for school). I'm fully in love with OSX and it's ecosystem. :)
 
While it's true that .INI (or .INF) files are files - they are *never* stored in the registry. *Never*.¹

HIVE files are not stored in the registry, quite the opposite - the registry is stored in HIVE files.

Pretty contradictory:

The registry is a transaction-based database. Its performance is nearly independent of the size of the database. A large registry won't "slow Windows to a crawl" due to its size - that's just a fanboi myth.

What may slow it down is if the user being stupid and thinking that it's OK to remove applications by deleting filesystem directories. It's not, and it may cause problems (including slowdowns because you haven't actually removed the application).

If you don't uninstall programs using the "Control Panel" -> "Programs and Features" tool, you're a bad admin. You will mess your system up.

Here's another perspective on the registry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Registry#Advantages_and_Disadvantages

I don't understand all the hate for the registry - it's an alternative approach with advantages and disadvantages.

(For me, the remote registry editing is a big advantage. If a system is stuck and you can't log in, it's usually possible to remotely edit the registry and fix it. With .ini (pref) files, you'd need to mount the disk on another system to edit the files.)


How the do results for a search for "Windows 7 registry corrupt" have any bearing on a claim that registry maintenance is required?
How does it not? :p
 
Please post proof - I've been running Windows 7 (and Vista) since before public beta days (Microsoft partner), and I've *never* done *anything* to "maintain" my registry.

I never said you did anything, I said maintenance is done automatically by the OS. Every modern OS has automatic maintenance of its core structure, or are you admitting that Windows is behind the times. :rolleyes:
 
How the do results for a search for "Windows 7 registry corrupt" have any bearing on a claim that registry maintenance is required?

How does it not? :p



From Microsoft's Windows Live website:

Speed up your PC by cleaning your registry

Naturally, apologists will try to excuse Microsoft's "Live" division as not being sufficiently authoritative source. That's how they may end up in MR killfiles.

Even if Win7 doesn't technically require this anymore, then what's the excuse for this Microsoft webpage being more than a year out of date? If utterly nothing else, it's a lost marketing opportunity and not an insignificant one, since the Windows customer base still has roughly 68% on XP, which I don't recall anyone disputing its registry shortcomings.

And in the meantime, we have had posters this month make comparisons between OSs that explicitly included a claim that Windows was "better" (sic) than OS X because XP is still supported, yet Apple has long since discontinued support for OS X 10.0/10.1. The fallacy of this approach is that it relies on a logical argument that Microsoft's business marketplace failure is actually being claimed to be a feature. This sort of logic has been a topic of scientific research and it has a name, namely the Stockholm Syndrome.

What's unfortunate about much of this is the loss of perspective on what's really important as the value-added to the customer: ultimately, the customer doesn't care about popularity (95% world marketshare, etc) or how snazzy the marketing is: he cares if his product is of good quality and a good value.

The unfortunate reality in personal computers is that MS gained dominance through a variety of business maneuvers which clearly included at least good (if not great) marketing, as well as some less-than-clearly-legal actions (monopoly legal finding). As such, they have marketplace success despite not necessarily have the best actual consumer product.

This discontent is ultimately the source of the burr under the saddle of a lot of people here, and elsewhere. And their consumer actions have been to go seek out alternatives to Microsoft, which is also ultimately why Microsoft has responded with this marketing campaign.

...but lest we forget:

ultimately, the customer doesn't care about popularity or how snazzy the marketing is: he cares if his product is of good quality and a good value.


And IMO the current marketplace terrain is that overall, an informed consumer is currently more receptive to considering buying OS X.


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From Microsoft's Windows Live website:

Speed up your PC by cleaning your registry

There's still plenty of debate about them - Do I need a Registry Cleaner
(quoting Mark Russinovich):

No, even if the registry was massively bloated there would be little impact on the performance of anything other than exhaustive searches (ed. of the registry itself).

On Win2K Terminal Server systems, however, there is a limit on the total amount of Registry data that can be loaded and so large profile hives can limit the number of users that can be logged on simultaneously.

I haven’t and never will implement a Registry cleaner since it’s of little practical use on anything other than Win2K terminal servers and developing one that’s both safe and effective requires a huge amount of application-specific knowledge.

(emphasis in original)

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...e/thread/12808DAB-946C-4EB6-816B-AEA5B3E7E16C
never use them! Windows doesn't load the whole registry any longer (starting with XP), so the registry can be 100MB or 1GB, it doesn't matter, the PC will have the same speed.

The Onecare cleaner is a very lightweight scanner, which fixes just a few obvious errors. (Since more subtle "errors" often are not errors.)

Most of the chat on the web about registry cleaners seems to be about how to undo the massive system damage that they often cause. ;)


Even if Win7 doesn't technically require this anymore, then what's the excuse for this Microsoft webpage being more than a year out of date?

That one is easy:

Windows Live OneCare is no longer available for sale

"Windows Live OneCare is being discontinued and so will not be updated for use with Windows 7."​

Microsoft Kills OneCare DATE: 2008-11-19

Your reference was outdated because it referred to a discontinued product.

Microsoft does not offer a registry cleaner anymore.
 
I've been told to 'repair permissions' in this place many many many times, I've been told to drive into folders I didn't know existed and delete or rename files to fix problems. Or even better 'oh just open up the terminal and...' Incidentally, in no instance has such advice helped.

If OS X were perfect (which it isn't), if it didn't have swathes of OS related files that can and do cause troubles (which it does), then maybe those lambasting the registry might have a point. Until then...let he who's OS is without sin....
 
Huh?

"If there's a Mac version of a program you need, you'll have to buy it again and relearn how to use it on a Mac."

...so as far as Microsoft are concerned, to buy TWO versions of THEIR software products is a BAD thing? What are they smoking down there?

I've not laughed this hard in a good long while...
 
You can fuel efficient cars and you can have gas guzzlers. They both use petrol yet one car is clearly better.

What a catastrophically poor analogy. One is NOT clearly better. They're just different. Some like one, some like another, I happen to use both regularly I find problems and benefits with both.

Please, can you just stop lying. You're making yourself and this community look bad. To be blunt, you're embarrassing.
 
What a catastrophically poor analogy. One is NOT clearly better. They're just different. Some like one, some like another, I happen to use both regularly I find problems and benefits with both.

That analogy was on purpose, it was designed to get a response similar to this.

Specifically for this part:

They're just different. Some like one, some like another ... problems and benefits with both.

Please, can you just stop lying. You're making yourself and this community look bad. To be blunt, you're embarrassing.

Aww, someones still butthurt over me not apologizing over a trivial issue.

Oh and I do fail to see how I've lied. Both Windows and Mac OSX perform routine automated maintenance on their core components, that includes their preference systems. You can use a tool like Onyx to run the scripts manually.
 
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