Gee, wonder why that is?
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Gee, wonder why that is?
Keep the apologies rollin' on in..... Redmond loves you.
So the solution is to blame the user for XP's UI fail, and chiding them for not knowing how to find a setting that is buried inside the recesses of the Windows settings? Microsoft does not make settings easy to find, apart from a few. You shouldn't have to put a window in the corner of your screen in order to make it stop nagging you. Microsoft should have allowed people to manage the updates in a less intrusive and irritating way. They seem to have dealt with the faults of Windows Update's notification system, though not the update mechanism itself.
Yes, the Action Centre 'Solve PC Issues' flag is less intrusive than the constant update pop-ups, as I said.
I wish you would stop posting absurd notions. WHERE has Microsoft EVER presented Windows as a "total solution" ??? They have NEVER included very much in terms of basic utilities with ANY of their operating systems. Unless you think Notepad is useful software, they are giving you an operating system, not a virus checker (not part of the OS on ANY system including OSX) nor backup software (Until 10.5, Apple didn't include any either and personally I think Time Machine sucks; Carbon Copy Cloner is 10x better).
I'm sorry, but nearly EVERYTHING you WHINE about in terms of Windows has the EXACT same issues on OSX. Where is the virus checker included with OSX? There is NONE! The fact you may not NEED one is IRRELEVANT. If OSX starts getting a virus problem tomorrow, OSX has nothing ready to combat it. You would have to depend on 3rd parties. Microsoft has been including a browser they made with Windows a heck of a lot longer than Apple has (since you were talking about software needed to function on the Internet). Frankly, you're grasping at straws and showing a lot of ignorance about how Windows works all just to try and prove something that doesn't need to be proved (i.e. an opinion that you prefer OSX).
I've never had a single virus in 10+ years on a Windows machine. Malware is the larger problem with Windows (e-mail click-throughs, etc.) and OSX has had numerous vulnerabilities DEMONSTRATED in those areas including similar applications like Adobe Flash. Safari was the first browser hacked in a hacking competition precisely because the security is so low on Macs and Apple software. Obscurity is most certainly NOT a "myth". It's not the entire story, but it's a good part of it.
Gee, wonder why that is?
Keep the apologies rollin' on in..... Redmond loves you.
It's no worse than the CONSTANT apologies and/or excuses I see on a daily basis from the Apple fanboys as to why Apple doesn't have this or that feature (from updated video drivers, the latest OpenGL and real desktop video cards, etc. to dropping support for hardware older than 2 years old lately, etc.)
My point is I cannot STAND either side acting smug. I remember the old "advocacy" newsgroups I used to read for high-end audio and what not and the RIDICULOUS NASTY posts on there over OPINIONS. It's absurd. This obnoxious attitude present on both sides of opinions does nothing but demonstrate the sheer lack of maturity of the human race in general. Throughout the ages people have demonstrated (whether it be cultural, religious, race, personal preferences or any other number of areas) that they are INTOLERANT of other people having different opinions than their own. It just gets plain ugly and even on a moderated forum like here thinly veiled insults can get old fast.
The truth is that Windows clearly does SOME things better than OSX (graphics in particular) and has a LOT more commercial software available for it while OSX clearly has its own advantages from the lack of malware to its generally slicker interface (although that's really subjective as well). But heaven forbid anyone could actually ADMIT something like that on either side.
I wish I could use OSX 100% of the time. I like the interface better and the general utter lack of viruses and most forms of malware is just lovely (for the moment at least). But the sheer lack of gaming options alone (both software and hardware) dictates that isn't going to happen just yet so Boot Camp stays on my MBP and I still keep a dedicated PC around as well for a full blown gaming right (flight controls, dual force-feedback steering wheel with 6-speed shifter and clutch controls, etc. along with an extra monitor). Macs sucks for gaming. They are getting better lately, but with little thanks to Steve who couldn't care less unless it's going to make them lots of money (i.e. 30% off the top on the App store).
Likewise, I'd like Windows a LOT better if I didn't have to be concerned with malware. Most of those "annoying" Windows updates are to deal PRECISELY with that aspect (security updates). This comes with the territory of owning most of the world computing OS market. I still have doubts about even 9% figures to Mac given how many older computers running Windows are still in use, etc. including Windows95/98 and probably even 3.1 in some areas of the world (3rd world, for example). Hardly ANYONE is using OS9 by comparison because Apple provides ZERO support for it and almost no software will run on it today (browsers are useless, etc.) whereas Win98 had Firefox support until recently and it's more than up-to-date to run most web sites; try using the last unofficial Mozilla even for OS9).
But the simple fact of the matter is that a lot of these "differences" come down to nit-picky and subjective things because unlike in the days of the Amiga, Atari ST, OS9 and Ms-Dos and Win3.1 based machines, the OS gets the job done on both platforms. There simply isn't the mind-boggling differences that used to exist between something like Dos, the Mac and the Amiga. Contrary to what some are saying on here, it is not night and day anymore between Windows7 and Snow Leopard. I'd say they have more in common than they have different in terms of a GUI compared to the old days and the same basic software on both platforms feels very similar (i.e. Photoshop is Photoshop and Firefox is Firefox).
If I had to use Windows7 full time I would survive just fine. I'm more interested in running Photoshop than I am worrying about the operating system itself. Logic is currently OSX only, but that is only because Apple doesn't make it for Windows any longer. The point is that at some point SOME people grow up and realize what you can do with computers is more important than using computers just to use computers. I used to LOVE toying around with my Amiga and finding all kinds of little utilities to make it more powerful or slicker to use, etc. What WORK was I getting done doing that? Very little. The same held true for when I was constantly playing around with Linux. Yes, I was learning how to use the operating system more efficiently, but I was STILL just dressing up and playing with the look and feel of the OS itself instead of using an application to get actual work done. People that are more concerned with the OS than what they can run on it usually have either too much time on their hands or don't get many things done.
I say all this knowing full well I'm wasting time writing this right now when I could be working on my latest song instead and I only have myself to blame. Yeah, I used to ENJOY configuring Linux to look all souped up and unique and "awesome" (I had a really sweet looking "Matrix" setup using Fluxbox, a modified Matrix_Green theme, a bunch of customized docked apps and a few helper applications. It was WAY cooler looking than any theme I saw on KDE or Gnome, but it was still a pain to configure/manage since Fluxbox is script-based. It was a time consumer, but if you're having fun doing it, great. That's no excuse to pretend that makes the OS more useful than one running something else. Cool is great, but it's still a subjective opinion.
I'm fine with people discussing OS differences and giving opinions , etc., but it really irks me when I see ridiculous statements that grasping for straws all the time to justify why Windows SUCKS or why OSX is SO much better. Cannot one simply state they LIKE OSX better? I do, but I wish it were also more than it currently is, especially in the graphics department (drivers, OpenGL verison, etc.)
I've heard people say this before when I've searched on how to fix the problem. Did you even look at the screenshot? If you do nothing, such as drag it out of the way, it kills the computer in 15 minutes.
I think there's a way to fix it in the command prompt, but my original point was it's not as user friendly as OS X software update has been for a long time (10 years?). It pops up, you can have it install, then quit it, and next time you restart, everything takes effect.
Actually, since Vista there is a nice backup utility supplied with Windows.
It will not only automatically schedule backups, but it can also do a "bare metal restore" and restore your bootable system if your system disk is destroyed. (The restore utility is on the Windows distribution DVD - insert the DVD, boot, and from the boot menu select restore. It will find the backups and walk you through creating a new system drive.)
(ps: The snapshot says "Last backup: Never" because my Windows Home Server handles daily backups on all of my home systems.)
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I wouldn't be arguing in favour of Mac OS X as much if certain Windows people (not you; you've been pretty reasonable on this thread) would stop chastising Mac users for using Macs on a Mac forum. I shouldn't have to 'defend' my platform of choice on a Mac forum.
You imply that the people who complain about Windows don't know anything about it. Au contraire. Most of the people who have complaints against Windows are switchers, and have had more than enough experience to know what it's like. Microsoft does have options to turn off some of the most annoying aspects of the operating system, but they're not always obvious.
I don't like the smugness on either side, myself. I am just reacting to people who are coming on a forum for a computer platform other than their own and chastising people who use the operating system and hardware that this forum is ABOUT. Again, I DO NOT CARE if you like Windows. I really do not CARE what operating system someone likes the best. I DO care, however, about being guilted because I don't use or like Windows. I shouldn't have to justify my dislike of certain aspects of Windows' interface based on MY experience.
I wouldn't be arguing in favour of Mac OS X as much if certain Windows people (not you; you've been pretty reasonable on this thread) would stop chastising Mac users for using Macs on a Mac forum. I shouldn't have to 'defend' my platform of choice on a Mac forum.
You imply that the people who complain about Windows don't know anything about it. Au contraire. Most of the people who have complaints against Windows are switchers, and have had more than enough experience to know what it's like. Microsoft does have options to turn off some of the most annoying aspects of the operating system, but they're not always obvious.
I don't like the smugness on either side, myself. I am just reacting to people who are coming on a forum for a computer platform other than their own and chastising people who use the operating system and hardware that this forum is ABOUT. Again, I DO NOT CARE if you like Windows. I really do not CARE what operating system someone likes the best. I DO care, however, about being guilted because I don't use or like Windows. I shouldn't have to justify my dislike of certain aspects of Windows' interface based on MY experience.
Amen. This grew tiresome a long time ago, but as of late the noise has increased tremendously. I wish the mods would be more proactive about weeding out the obvious instigators.
The faux indignation that Mac users on a Mac forum have Mac preferences used to be curious. Now it's just downright annoying.
So what you are saying is XP sucks and had a lot of problems but Vista/7 suck even more which is why they are still supporting XP? That's just sad for MS
Hear, hear. While I think some of the Windows users here, like Aiden Shaw and MagnusVonMagnum, have been fairly reasonable in their arguments, a lot of them are being ridiculously condescending to anyone who happens to be, as you said, a Mac user on a Mac forum who prefers the Mac.
Since we have so many Windows users here on this forum, I just wanna share this with you.
German News Service Spiegel Online just warned of new security thread, which was associated until a few weeks ago only with the windows version of iTunes. But experts at Rapid7 and Acros Security now found out, that more than 200 software applications are affected in the same way.
Problem is associated with how Windows handles DLL files, it seems.
German News Service Spiegel Online just warned of new security thread, which was associated until a few weeks ago only with the windows version of iTunes. But experts at Rapid7 and Acros Security now found out, that more than 200 software applications are affected in the same way.
Problem is associated with how Windows handles DLL files, it seems.
Reasonable or not, why camp out at a Mac users forum exclusively to post pro-Windows, anti-Mac commentary at all?
Most online forums consider that trolling.
Or, why camp out at a Mac users forum exclusively to post pro-Mac commentary at all? Most online forums consider that trolling too.
So what you are saying is XP sucks and had a lot of problems but Vista/7 suck even more which is why they are still supporting XP? That's just sad for MS
Unlike apple ms tries to support an is with updates and new software will run on it for 5 years after a replacement came out. Compare this to apple and it is at most 1 year and they put I believe artifile blocks in their software.
XP support got extended 2 times. First because vista took 3 years longer than it should of followed by it was not well recieved so xp got another extension.
A lot of vista problems was not ms fault but 3rd party devs problems as they had not adjusted to the major changes. Vista took the heat and got those things cleaned up so when 7 came around it did not have 3rd party driver issues
Also ms bread and butter is the business world and they do not update as often or as fast. They will skip vista and jump to 7.
7 fix a lot of the little announces in vista that got in the way that ruined a lot of things and added feature that people wanted in xp and our things.
Mac OS X was released in the first half of 2001 and while there were some Mac OS 9 viruses, this Mac user of eighteen years never got one. A quick scan stil reveals no viruses on my OS 9 computer. When, oh mighty prophet, will Mac OS X get these mystical viruses that you speak of? We've been waiting for almost ten years now and the rest of theprophets of doom are getting a little hoarse from all the shouting.
Before I start, I would like to say that your posts remind me of John Dvorak's, in that they use all-cap'd words to emphasize certain points. Dvorak was a Mac hater from 1984-2007 before he switched. I read an article titled Pigs Fly, Snow in Death Valley, and Dvorak uses a Mac at Low End Mac with some information. I don't mean to imply anything about you as a person; the style is just similar. On that note, I will begin. Actually, Mac OS X has a non-user accessible virus scanner that fixes a trojan embedded in pirated copies of iWork '09. There was the Backup Utility in Mac OS 10.4 that got the job done though was quite a bit less useful than Time Machine. Regardless, if you don't like it, there is no problem with picking an alternative as you have done.
The scanner is at /System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/XProtect.plist according to a quick search. That said, if Windows users discover that there is a new virus tomorrow, nothing will protect them either. You would need to wait for virus definitions to be updated and fixes to be generated. Cyberdog was included on my Mac OS 7.6.1 CD in 1997 with a beta available in 1996. IE was bundled with Windows in 1995. It wasn't that much longer. In fact, I still use Cyberdog occasionally on my Mac OS 7.6.1 computer. I'll grant that there were some dark ages between 1998 and 2001 where you had to *gasp* choose between IE and Netscape, which were both included. You could always grab the browser of your choice using one of the above. I didn't notice any serious straw-grasping. I prefer OS X and I like it that way. You don't need to try to prove any of our opinions wrong, either.
And you think Flash for Windows is more secure? A few pages back, somebody quoted the developer that hacked Safari in Pwn2Own who said that Flash being included with Mac OS X was a big reason that it could be hacked so easily. I uninstall Flash from all of my computers because I am fed up with bad performance and crashing, not to mention insecurity.
You are being awfully intolerant here. Lighten up a bit.
The truth is that Windows clearly does SOME things better than OSX (graphics in particular) and has a LOT more commercial software available for it while OSX clearly has its own advantages from the lack of malware to its generally slicker interface (although that's really subjective as well). But heaven forbid anyone could actually ADMIT something like that on either side.
Point conceded. Windows does indeed have more software. I'd argue that a lot of the less well known apps for the Mac are better, though I can't strictly define or prove "better." Quality vs. quantity, IMO.
If you have an app and you don't want to go through Apple, you could try the Cydia store.
See the attached image. That was taken today as I type this. The browser is far from useless. Note the nearly perfect page layout. In fact, I'm writing this with Mac OS 9. The only reason that I don't use this 266 MHz Wallstreet PowerBook over my 1 GHz Titanium is because the battery is dead. I'll probably be buying one of those in the next few months. While Apple might not support Mac OS 9, community support is actually very good. This browser, Classilla 9.2, was last updated June 2010 with active development continuing to this day. Classilla's rendering engine is an optimization of the original Gekko engine, dubbed Clekko whereas the Javascript engine is pulled straight out of Firefox 3.5. It is perfectly modern. Reasonably speedy on my 266 MHz hardware, too. It feels about as fast as Safari 5 on a 1 GHz Titanium running Leopard. Plus it only needs 80 MB of RAM. That's a drop in the bucket when you have a whopping 384 MB. It also supports IMAP and POP email plus tabbed browsing, though that is not demonstrated in the screenshot. Unrelated, but through Mac OS X printer sharing, I can print to a pretty modern HP Officejet J6400 wirelessly with 1998 hardware.
I'll concede that if one only does very basic tasks and/or games, a Windows machine might work very well for them. I would argue that video editing and a few other advanced tasks are better on the Mac though. Don't even get me started on Soundsmith. Hours of fun! (I realize that that is more or less unrelated, but I just had to bring up Soundsmith!)
True. In the long run and if all software choices are equal, any platform could work just fine. It all depends on priorities. I wouldn't like it, but in the same situation I could probably make do.
But then we have the inverse where people come here and say "lol macs suck windows is better lol!!!11!" We try to reason with them and get nothing, just annoying and/or frustrating the rest of us. Most of the non-trolls around here seem to give a bit more information than that. If you don't want to hear the whole thing, feel free to skip the back half of a post. If it is really bad, make use of your ignore list. Again, I will concede that graphics were a bit underpowered when last I checked.
It ain't over till the fat lady sings!
Or, why camp out at a Mac users forum exclusively to post pro-Mac commentary at all? Most online forums consider that trolling too.
Do you really think that posting pro-Mac commentary on a pro-Mac site filled with pro-Mac switchers is trolling? This website isn't some neutral computer website. This is Macrumors, with the Mac community discussion forums. It says so at the top of the page as a tagline to the main Macrumors logo. Posting pro-Mac commentary isn't automatically trolling. Frankly, if most of us liked Windows, we wouldn't be here and it would instead be filled with Windows trolls screaming at deaf ears. For all of our sakes, please find something more useful to do than annoy all of us. We aren't listening. We don't like Windows. That is one of the only reasons why we are here. Get over it.
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you just pwn'd the whole forum good job
"Earlier today we reported that Apple was the most popular notebook brand amongst U.S. college students."
^this is true. I go to BU dental school and while im in the med school library all i see are macs..it warms my heart lol. anyways Windows has been trying to fight back since the "im a PC" thing. but riddle me this, why have so many apple users( that I know) state this: "Oh I will never go back to windows"...I being one of them. Having my macbook for 3+years and it still runs brand new is a testament to how well built and designed they really are. Windows still has a lot of catching up to do. Imitation is flattery, but come on windows what have you done but give people headaches with constantly slow OS after 3 months of use no virus protection. And the whole you can choose your color thing, yea thats cool but is the color gonna matter when you can't even open your browser in a couple months. I think eventually microsoft is gonna be in the crapper. not anytime soon of course..but in the future sometime.f
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you just pwn'd the whole forum good job
"Earlier today we reported that Apple was the most popular notebook brand amongst U.S. college students."
^this is true. I go to BU dental school and while im in the med school library all i see are macs..it warms my heart lol. anyways Windows has been trying to fight back since the "im a PC" thing. but riddle me this, why have so many apple users( that I know) state this: "Oh I will never go back to windows"...I being one of them. Having my macbook for 3+years and it still runs brand new is a testament to how well built and designed they really are. Windows still has a lot of catching up to do. Imitation is flattery, but come on windows what have you done but give people headaches with constantly slow OS after 3 months of use no virus protection. And the whole you can choose your color thing, yea thats cool but is the color gonna matter when you can't even open your browser in a couple months. I think eventually microsoft is gonna be in the crapper. not anytime soon of course..but in the future sometime.
fOf course it is trolling. When someone posts baseless non-factual exclusively pro-Mac comments, what do you call it? Again, being pro-Mac is fine as long as someone does not invent the facts.
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you just pwn'd the whole forum good job
"Earlier today we reported that Apple was the most popular notebook brand amongst U.S. college students."
^this is true. I go to BU dental school and while im in the med school library all i see are macs..it warms my heart lol. anyways Windows has been trying to fight back since the "im a PC" thing. but riddle me this, why have so many apple users( that I know) state this: "Oh I will never go back to windows"...I being one of them. Having my macbook for 3+years and it still runs brand new is a testament to how well built and designed they really are. Windows still has a lot of catching up to do. Imitation is flattery, but come on windows what have you done but give people headaches with constantly slow OS after 3 months of use no virus protection. And the whole you can choose your color thing, yea thats cool but is the color gonna matter when you can't even open your browser in a couple months. I think eventually microsoft is gonna be in the crapper. not anytime soon of course..but in the future sometime.
Well, by your own admission, you have not used Windows for 3 years. A lot changed since then. "it warms my heart lol", "Oh I will never go back to windows"?? Have you heard something like that from people switched to something else but Mac? Unlikely. Why is that? Because Mac is a cult? Anyways, it's OK for medical students to use Mac, your debt is going to be sky high anyways (and I am sorry about that). Non-technical people in general probably pay more attention to "looks". But it really hurts the ears (and brains) of technicians to hear the lies spread by Apple in commercials. When someone with technical background hears about "magical" this and "revolutionary" that while knowing perfectly well that while Apple device might have some merits it's just a device very similar to everything else on the market it makes him laugh and feel pity for poor souls who get fooled by Apple PR into overpaying for just everything.
Yep, it's never MS fault. It's the users fault, no wait it's the devs fault.. no wait it's the manufactories fault. It's always someone else's fault right?
Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOvzGiheOM
Yep so much has changed
Yep, it's never MS fault. It's the users fault, no wait it's the devs fault.. no wait it's the manufactories fault. It's always someone else's fault right?
Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOvzGiheOM
Yep so much has changed
Do you really believe Apple ads? Or any adds to this matter? Then Macs are good for you
Too bad for people like you they've already taken affect, any more ads are redundant. The purpose of the Apple Ads were to make people question the unquestioning rule of Microsoft and did that by raising trivial issues of the Windows operating system. The ads were never about "buy this because we tell you too", as most MS advocates misinterpret them as.
Well ms did a lot of needed changes going to vista. Good part of it addressed a lot of legacy support or more so starting to remove it. Something that needed to be done and more of it needs to be done. This comes at a price in terms of drivers and software having to adjust. It is just lag time and nothing can be done about. Vista takes the heat for the lag time 7 does not have to deal with it. If windows 7 came out when vista did the same big complaint issues would still be there because of that lag time. Vista by the end was pretty good just it still has that bad taste from the first 12 to 18 months as the devs caught up.
Remember when OSX first came out it had a lot of problems with older software. Apple delt with short term pain for long term gain by dumping the legacy support. let's not forget all the stuff that just would not work in 10.0.
Sum it up vista had lag time issues with tue 3rd party devs and that is to be expected.
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