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Microsoft Previews Windows 8 for Tablets and PCs

coldmack said:
Ding ding ding. And one day you will see why the x86 move was the wrong move because it really takes away from the user experience and lacks innovation PPC has, and ARM also has/will have.
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I'd have to disagree. IBM didn't give a damn about Apple at the end (e.g. G5 PowerBook). Intel actually seems to want Apple's business (e.g. getting chipsets early). Say what you will with respect to chip architecture, but I think having a good relationship with a supplier like that is extremely valuable.

AidenShaw said:
Unrestricted downloads of the preview.

It's a breath of fresh air compared to the paranoid secretiveness of another computer/software vendor.
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On the other hand, I don't want to imagine if everyone could just go and download iOS 5 (the OS really is a beta and was no where near ready until beta 6 a few weeks ago). Pluses and minuses to both methods. (Apple needs to stop the developer NDA nonsense, though.)
 
This looks like a good product for 2013, when Intel's ultra-low power processors are out. Problem is, it will then be competing against the iPad 4. And building for both Intel and ARM at the same time will just lead to a slower, more bloated OS that will be slower and less responsive.
 
NAG said:
I'd have to disagree. IBM didn't give a damn about Apple at the end (e.g. G5 PowerBook). Intel actually seems to want Apple's business (e.g. getting chipsets early). Say what you will with respect to chip architecture, but I think having a good relationship with a supplier like that is extremely valuable.
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Intel only cares about Apples nice stack of money. If Intel really gave a hoot we would be 5 gens head(cpu tech wise) and using Graphene based improvements.
 
coldmack said:
Intel only cares about Apples nice stack of money. If Intel really gave a hoot we would be 5 gens head(cpu tech wise) and using Graphene based improvements.
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Still better than IBM who gave priority to Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony over Apple. Of course Intel wants money, it is a company.
 
I think the iPad succeeds because ios isn't bloated with crap - like windows.

I'd argue that iOS has adequate ram for the class of applications currently available to it.

iPad is successful because apple looked at the types of things that could easily be done on tablet devices, and made it possible.

Windows 8 - for all it's flashiness needs one feature or it will bomb on tablet devices.

It needs to run as quickly and efficiently on equivalent hardware - providing equal or better battery life to the iPad - or it will bomb - as a pure tablet device os.

Claefer said:
But how can you provide excellent user experience without proper specs? One of the iPad's biggest shortcomings is the lack of adequate RAM.

The iPad is successful because it's something new and it's something new from Apple. And there's very little competition. But once Windows 8 comes out it'll change everything because it's unifies two OSes.
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AidenShaw said:
Unrestricted downloads of the preview.

It's a breath of fresh air compared to the paranoid secretiveness of another computer/software vendor.

Downloading now for my multi-touch x64 tablet - Yes!
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Great! I had to use imodzone.net, to get my Lion Dev Previews (i own Lion now (free download from the MAS for me), because i was able to use the Mac OS X Up-To-Date program for 2011-Mac hardware owners). And see how buggy Lion is today! No wonder without a public preview. :rolleyes:
 
balamw said:
You simply don't get it. Specs mean very little if they are hampered with other inefficiencies. For example:

http://www.iphone-my.com/news/ipad-2-runs-webos-fast-touchpad-internal-hp-testing-revealed/ [HP found that WebOS runs better on the iPad 2 than on their own Touchpad hardware]

If it's under specced but actually performs its function more efficiently, it is better. This is why the simpler, lower specced, ATV2 and Roku are far better than the Logitech Revue or Boxee box for most users.

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But you do need some features. The iPad lacks critical features that are demanded by users: Flash, SD slot, USB ports, HDMI, and an ethernet port.
 
Apple's benefit here is rather simple - a lean mean iOS will always require less resources then windows 8, which will mean equivalent or better performance on lesser hardware.

Which means we'll probably see a base $399 or $499 windows 8 junk tablet, with actual good ones costing a bit more.

Microsoft's early demo of windows 8 is reminiscent of rim's demo of the playbook - they're trying to shore up their developer base and get that base excited.

MacinDoc said:
This looks like a good product for 2013, when Intel's ultra-low power processors are out. Problem is, it will then be competing against the iPad 4. And building for both Intel and ARM at the same time will just lead to a slower, more bloated OS that will be slower and less responsive.
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If that's the case, why has every tablet with those features failed in the marketplace?

Hint - it's user experience.

Claefer said:
But you do need some features. The iPad lacks critical features that are demanded by users: Flash, SD slot, USB ports, HDMI, and an ethernet port.
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jca666us said:
If that's the case, why has every tablet with those features failed in the marketplace?

Hint - it's user experience.
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Well, like I said, I think more than half of Apple's success can be attributed to Jony Ive making aluminum and glass look nice.

As for the customers satisfaction. People can be easily deceived. When you spend a lot of money on a product you'll do mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you made a good choice. Especially when there are alternatives out there with better specs with an open source OS.
 
NAG said:
Still better than IBM who gave priority to Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony over Apple. Of course Intel wants money, it is a company.
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Because they were willing to pay IBM more? But, fact of the matter is Intel(all x86 manufactures) cares less about the consumer. If they really did care we would see graphene based cpu out to the consumer years ago. They are just strangle holding us right now by the neck, because they know Apple wouldn't move away from them for a while. PPC still makes the faster architecture, and has been proven over and over again its the more reliable architecture, or why else would MS, Sony, and Nintendo would be using on their gaming systems vs Intel or AMD.
 
tigres said:
Uverse
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UVerse is part of their Fiber program.
If they don't have fiber to the curb in your neighborhood (still copper to your house), chances are pretty high that you're running on a VDSL2 connection (they currently top out at 80MB).
Either way, you "should" be rocking a much faster download from MS.

It's very possible AT&T is throttling your connection.
 
Claefer said:
But you do need some features. The iPad lacks critical features that are demanded by users: Flash, SD slot, USB ports, HDMI, and an ethernet port.
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Also it lacks productivity apps support. At least a Parallels tablet version capable of running Win7 basic or OSX Snow Leopard. Apple's target customer for a tablet is the ordinary user, there is no room for geeks, developers, engineers, etc. Win8 can suit my needs if it could fit in a 7" tablet and performs better than an Atom N550 ssd-equipped netbook. I expect that quad core ARMs will fit this requisite.
 
rjohnstone said:
UVerse is part of their Fiber program.
If they don't have fiber to the curb in your neighborhood (still copper to your house), chances are pretty high that you're running on a VDSL2 connection (they currently top out at 80MB).
Either way, you "should" be rocking a much faster download from MS.

It's very possible AT&T is throttling your connection.
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It's fiber to the curb, correct. The fastest they can get me is up to 34MB so they said.
Either way, I am testing the throttling right now, with Glasnost test.
Back on topic.
Can't wait to get this installed ;)

Thanks for the tips rjohnstone.
 
Eidorian said:
I have been getting my 310 kB/s maximum near constantly. 39% done.
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I have a 15 Mb/s connection and it estimated a 9 hour download. I've decided to wait until tonight and then I'll run it overnight (when the servers should have fewer users on them).

Another option is that it hasn't yet been pushed out to all of the CDN nodes.
 
jca666us said:
If that's the case, why has every tablet with those features failed in the marketplace?

Hint - it's user experience.
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Android is a mess where a lot of apps don't work on every device. With windows almost every application worked on every computer that met the specs.
 
pure FUD

MacinDoc said:
And building for both Intel and ARM at the same time will just lead to a slower, more bloated OS that will be slower and less responsive.
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Please, cite some sources?

Windows runs and has run on more different architectures than any system other than *nix. x86, x64, IA64, PPC, MIPS, Alpha, SPARC, ARM...

Conditional coding means that supporting ARM doesn't affect the x64 code paths, and vice versa. Performance-critical parts of the system can be completely optimized for each target. (Opaque data types help with this optimization.)

Note that Microsoft doesn't add bloat by building fat binaries - each binary contains only the code and data needed by the target architecture. Zero run-time and disk overhead for multi-platform support.

Your statement simply does not recognize the current state-of-the-art in multi-platform programming.
 
It's probably downloading slow because all of the Apple execs and programmers are downloading it because they are afraid they have real competition around the corner.
 
Nope, not limited. Just must be jammed...
Until then, then...
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