Wonder if he ever looks back at what he wrote, it's that "uh no I didn't" moment
- Similar to Michael Dell's comments directed at SJ, shut down shop etc
Microsoft Previews Windows 8 for Tablets and PCs
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Wonder if he ever looks back at what he wrote, it's that "uh no I didn't" moment
- Similar to Michael Dell's comments directed at SJ, shut down shop etcDeathChill
macrumors 68000
Good God that guy is a tool. Not even that he dislikes the iPad, but his attitude about it is just so poor that it's hard to take him seriously.
*LTD*
macrumors G4
Since his views agree with what Apple is doing, he is most certainly both. Almost by default. All he really has to worry about is sounding interesting.
For the time being.
"Apple fanboys" for the past few years and certainly at present, have the rights of the argument.
A bitter pill to swallow, but when Apple stops doing awesome things (probably the best way to describe it - like every year - when they stop changing the game, then folks like Paul might start making some sense.
I am sure there is 64bit ARM cpus in work right now, not to mention the possibility of using the way better graphene transistors and multipliers to boost efficiency and performance. Intel has been sitting on this tech for years now and could have easily introduced this years ago when they brought out dual core Pentium 4 cpu. Not sure about AMD, and ARM is a bit of a mix bag there as there is a few companies there(from Texas Instruments to Intel, to Samsung) and has been a small market(most smart phones and those plum awful Pocket PC and CE devices). Trust me x86 has been on life support for years and its now time for real architecture to take over(well it should have been PPC, but IBM and Apple were being sloppy about that partnership), plus gaming is a bit more of a profit maker for IBM I would think since there is 3 fairly big companies using your processors, vs Apple.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/09/02/graphene-transistor-hits-300ghz/1
ct2k7
macrumors G3
That's because the term 'PC' is diluted and too dynamic to describe anything.
Post-PC to me, means post Windows,Mac,Linux any desktop operating system.
A MS/Windows fanboy, god forbid they are some in existence!
----------
Sure, but to the average punter a PC is a Windows machine.
*LTD*
macrumors G4
One wonders why and how, but they do exist.
ct2k7
macrumors G3
I'm going have a look at a few ARM designs out there. Whilst I am not totally convinced that I'll be able to use most of my software on an ARM processor, it is evident that some things can run on it, e.g Windows 8 + IE + Word/Office.
----------
I haven't heard the term 'PC' directly describe a Windows machine by anyone but Apple lately... or wait... Post-PC.
Oletros
macrumors 603
Ah, because he agres with Apple he is right when he talks about competition? Twisting arguments, being wrong or plainly lying about the easiest checkable facts and bashing anything that is not Apple?
Ah, yes, he praises Apple, so he can't be wrong
The Samsung tablet that was given away (loaned) at Windows Build conference is apparently going on sale (albeit without the demo Apps, and with a version of Windows 7) later this month. Retail price: $1099
I hope that folks thinking that Windows 8 is somehow going to magically overwhelm the tablet market keep that figure in mind. Because if a Samsung tablet with sufficient computing horsepower to run a Tablet version of Windows costs twice as much as its intended competition, I foresee customers staying away in droves.
I don't doubt that it will be possible for manufacturers to make ARM-based tablets (without fans!) that will be able to run Windows 8. But I question how well they will perform. Consumers are not, in general, overly interested in specifications ("feeds and speeds") for their own sake. But the rapidity with which they turned on Netbooks indicates that their tolerance for substandard performance in their computing devices is finite.
I have little doubt that an iPad that had retailed for $1000 in 2010 would have been a moderate success - selling perhaps a half million or so units to early adopters and Apple afficionados. But it wouldn't have upended the computing device market the way a $500 iPad did. Two years later I can't really see a $1000 (or even $700) Windows Tablet winning much of that market back.
I hope that folks thinking that Windows 8 is somehow going to magically overwhelm the tablet market keep that figure in mind. Because if a Samsung tablet with sufficient computing horsepower to run a Tablet version of Windows costs twice as much as its intended competition, I foresee customers staying away in droves.
I don't doubt that it will be possible for manufacturers to make ARM-based tablets (without fans!) that will be able to run Windows 8. But I question how well they will perform. Consumers are not, in general, overly interested in specifications ("feeds and speeds") for their own sake. But the rapidity with which they turned on Netbooks indicates that their tolerance for substandard performance in their computing devices is finite.
I have little doubt that an iPad that had retailed for $1000 in 2010 would have been a moderate success - selling perhaps a half million or so units to early adopters and Apple afficionados. But it wouldn't have upended the computing device market the way a $500 iPad did. Two years later I can't really see a $1000 (or even $700) Windows Tablet winning much of that market back.
Watch the keynote. From what i can recall it was approx. 50% of W7 (launch) ram usage, and 20% less services or so running.
(then again, ram can be reserved for good use, without being "required" - but thats a different topic).
No, i was not referring to the tiles at all. Once again, watch the keynote.
Youre running a not-even-beta pre-release, not a finished product. Do i see myself relying on the tile-UI? Of course not. MSFT knows this, stop worrying. Theres a reason why MSFT did not listen to people in this thread (and elsewhere on the net), calling for them to "pick sides". They aspire to give us the best of both worlds, and from the looks of it i wouldn't be that surprised if actually succeed.
Yes, you use the OS in your own way, and MSFT has stated that some will not be pleased (over and over again). Somehow, the vast majority seems to be quite excited though. Luckily for you, you can always stick with W7 or something else. This is an option, you do have a choice. Just dont mistake your personal preferences for the preference of mankind.
1) Which of the presented features do you find useless?
2) W8 is already faster, and lighter, than W7. As for more reliable, only time will tell.
3) W8 supports more hardware, and more software.
4) You're using not-even-beta pre-release software. Have patience.
5) I'm inclined to agree on the start-menu. I understand that they want to find a nice way of launching the "new start menu", but for someone who wishes to remain the desktop-mode its just in the way.
...wouldnt be surprised if this changes in the end though, at least if they figure out a proper alternative route to launching the tiles.
Once again, patience. I do, as stated, agree on the start menu though.
Not-even-beta pre-release things usually are messy. Thats why they are not commercially released.
Punters describe it as such, and so do http://www.dell.com/uk/p/desktops?~ck=mn (see page title)
Anyhoo it's just semantics, people just say desktop, laptop, MacBook, etc or the girls in the office Apple Laptop!!
ct2k7
macrumors G3
ah. That term is just so convoluted, the semantics analysis and lexis is just not worth it. Some even describe a PC as exctly what it is, a low-cost computer designed for personal use.
Yep, those who are tech savvy usually mention <brand> <model> those are aren't well there are so many variations!
1) W8 uses less resources than W7.
2) By the time W8 is released (and gains traction in the tablet market) hardware costs will be less.
3) Like you stated, ARM-based devices inbound (and, we dont have much to go by here, but i'm confident enough saying they'll run just fine).
(To pre-counter: Yes, dropped hw-prices will benefit existing actors too, allowing them to sell their devices even cheaper. Imo, that is where these non-pc tablets belong too - cheap, "dumb", consumer and consumption friendly. At usd 99-199, these tablets would fly off the shelves - and in 2 or so years, if even that, we will be there. That said, there will be W8-tablets at decent price-points, making purchases possible for non-businesses. Yes, you will always be able to buy something for less than half of it, but not without compromise).
ct2k7
macrumors G3
It does get quite confusing after a while - though when someone says that their PC isn't working, I don't know what to expect - I've had Linux users before
linux2mac
macrumors 65816
Show me.
At Mac World 2000 when Steve Jobs introduced OSX he described it as "very Linux like, very much so, it's got Free BSD UNIX."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII
If a Linux command line junkie opens Terminal on OSX, he/she will find themselves in very familiar territory.
I am aware it is a beta... and not everything will run as fluid as a final version....and I am not saying everyone has to use it the way I want to personally... i just think some of the desktop features should have stayed the same with improvements... not ruin the way it used to be navigation wise...
Its the navigation thats the issue. I do not care about stupid metro features which are useless to desktop users... its just getting in the way and all the fiddly gestures and rubbish that just blocks loads of the screen whenever you try to use any of them.
My main machine booted up running AVG, and steam launching is using 890mb of ram. Windows 8 has nothing loaded and is using 850. It does feel faster yes but my complain has never been about the performance if you read my posts. Its about the ridiculous UI and the things you need to do to navigate to what used to be very simple tasks with quick steps has now become an adventure of hopelessness.
They should lose the childish metro UI and leave it for tablets. Desktops should just run the way they normally do. I hope they give users the option to turn off all the useless rubbish. Like you said, I have a choice which I already stated myself... I will stick with 7 if 8 remains using the current layout it has on the preview which I believe will be the case.
It seems this tile thing has bloated the head of microsoft its as if the think its the best thing they have come up with and its revolutionary. Its total bollocks.
Autodesk please release Max for Lion
.... If I had that running natively in OSX I see no need for windows (In my case)Windows 8 = Vista with mosaque
ct2k7
macrumors G3
Show me.
At Mac World 2000 when Steve Jobs introduced OSX he described it as "very Linux like, very much so, it's got Free BSD UNIX."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII
If a Linux command line junkie opens Terminal on OSX, he/she will find themselves in very familiar territory.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13347132&highlight=
Linux != Unix
Unix is either OS or specification. I see OS X as riding on BSD.
KillerTree
macrumors regular
I don't get why this is getting so much hate. These tablets have no limitations.
I can imagine even plugging one into a large monitor to use as both a tablet and main PC
I can imagine even plugging one into a large monitor to use as both a tablet and main PC
linux2mac
macrumors 65816
Of course Linux does not equal Unix. Linux is not derived from the UNIX source code. Linux mimics UNIX. Besides,
"Plus I like the fact that OSX is in reality a polished *NIX distro."
"*NIX" refers to a "UNIX-like" operating system and Linux is a "UNIX-like" operating system.
Last edited:
not-even-beta ;- )
Once again, you dont.
Somehow, i trust the machine running at build more than your installation. Also, once more, patience my friend. This release was to give developers an insight into whats coming, so that they can have their applications ready at launch. For these purposes your issues aren't that relevant (although, of course, relevant in the larger space).
Once again, your opinion. I've read tons of rants about ribbon too. Yet, studies show how ribbon has significantly improved the experience for not-so-savvy users, and that the rest (bar a select few) don't really give a f. Anyway, if you dont like it come launch, stick with W7; W7 is a very nice OS as is.
Ill save us both some time and say, see above. As for revolutionary, its something different at least. Only time will tell if its successful, but i, for one, am excited by the mere idea of stepping away from the desktop paradigm.
APlotdevice
macrumors 68040
It's going to run pretty slow for a main PC. Right now we're really talking netbook hardware at best. Otherwise the tablet is going to have to be pretty bulky and/or have poor life.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Apparently you've never bought an early model development machine.
The last point is paramount - my Core i7 with 24 GiB right now is reporting 560 MiB "free" memory.
If you look closer, though, it reports 12.5 GiB in active use, and just over 11 GiB in "standby" (mainly file system caches). Most of the in-use memory is 9.2 GiB in vmware-vmx for an 8 GiB VM that's busy.
With Windows Vista and later you need to understand whether your tool is reporting only completely free (unused) memory, or whether it reports both free and standby memory as "free". (Windows thinks that "completely free" memory is an utter waste, so it will cache everything you've touched and proactively pre-cache things that you might touch.)
Exactly. Microsoft cleaned up the release so that it's mostly usable and reliable. They still have a lot of work planned, and know that lots of negative comments will come in on the "in progress" items.
However, they're very interested in feedback on the general direction of W8 based on the apps that have been redone.
Interested enough to make the pre-beta available openly without registration or any conditions.
It looks to me like Microsoft is very happy with how the public betas for Windows 7 worked, and is expanding the program to get feedback even earlier in the process.
So, please bitch and moan (to Microsoft) about what you think is wrong - you'll help make W8 even better.
Also note that on the performance/memory front - Microsoft trials contain lots of debugging code that automatically sends telemetry to Microsoft on errors that occur. It looks like they already have close to half a million systems automatically reporting bugs to Redmond.
Cupertino should photocopy Microsoft's QA innovations.
linux2mac
macrumors 65816
That's funny because I never found the word "innovation" synonymous with anything Microsoft. Unless the fact that Microsoft is rushing Windows 8 to market to compete with iPad 3 is what you mean by "innovation."