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And that's for recent chipsets that support x64 CPUs. The 1998-era Pentium II system that I built had a 440BX chipset with a max of 384 MiB physical memory.

Really ? Then I guess I have a magical 440BX chipset on my Abit BH6. It supports 256 MB PC-133 modules for 768 MB maximum physical RAM. ;)

It currently runs some odd combination of modules to achieve 445 or so MB...

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$ grep -i memtotal /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:         446640 kB
$ dmesg | grep -i bx
DMI:    /i440BX-W83977, BIOS 4.51 PG 06/28/2000
 
High-end Thinkpads are nice, although they usually cost more than a MBP. But with IPS displays, Quadro GPUs, they worth it.

They do cost an awful lot (pretty much on par) but they are as reliable, a lot more hard wearing and good performers. Proof that if you want a good product you need to pay serious money, Apple or Lenovo. I had a MBA for some time but it proved to be a damage magnet. Just not as hard wearing for a laptop that I am supposed to carry around me all the time.

The equivalent Thinkpad is thick & looks heavy, but it is what such a machine should be (and for that application in mind): immortal.

If apple did make a small compact plastic laptop (perhaps at a slightly lower price than the Air) then I would buy it with no hesitation.

As I said, I think Apple are losing the plot a bit, but their kit is still top-notch, there is no denying this. Very solid design & engineering.

I was just trying to make a point: Windows does not mean garbage - the manufacturers are making garbage. A good manufacturer with a good R&D department like the Thinkpad studio makes just as good machines, albeit completely different in style and concept.

From a design standpoint, the fact that Windows can run on the number of different manufacturers and hardware combinations (and still be competitive to an all inclusive solution like Apple's), is imo an Engineering feat in its own league.

A thinking person surely understands that Apple's system should (and must) work flawlessly and in any event better than a cater-for-all solution like Microsoft's. In the long term, I am interested to see whether M$ will ever make the jump to serious hardware production.

Having said that, there is no doubt that for the next 10 years or so, M$ will still dominate the market. Unless of course Apple makes the move and starts cater for lower budgets or decides to reduce their handsome profit margin.









As I said, they suit my needs at the moment.
 
the real cool stuff is on the server. hyper-v can do replication over IP without a SAN. you can do it with vmware but you need a separate product

and some ridiculous hardware support. up to 160 CPU's and 2TB of RAM

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They do cost an awful lot (pretty much on par) but they are as reliable, a lot more hard wearing and good performers. Proof that if you want a good product you need to pay serious money, Apple or Lenovo. I had a MBA for some time but it proved to be a damage magnet. Just not as hard wearing for a laptop that I am supposed to carry around me all the time.

The equivalent Thinkpad is thick & looks heavy, but it is what such a machine should be (and for that application in mind): immortal.

If apple did make a small compact plastic laptop (perhaps at a slightly lower price than the Air) then I would buy it with no hesitation.

As I said, I think Apple are losing the plot a bit, but their kit is still top-notch, there is no denying this. Very solid design & engineering.

I was just trying to make a point: Windows does not mean garbage - the manufacturers are making garbage. A good manufacturer with a good R&D department like the Thinkpad studio makes just as good machines, albeit completely different in style and concept.

From a design standpoint, the fact that Windows can run on the number of different manufacturers and hardware combinations (and still be competitive to an all inclusive solution like Apple's), is imo an Engineering feat in its own league.

A thinking person surely understands that Apple's system should (and must) work flawlessly and in any event better than a cater-for-all solution like Microsoft's. In the long term, I am interested to see whether M$ will ever make the jump to serious hardware production.

Having said that, there is no doubt that for the next 10 years or so, M$ will still dominate the market. Unless of course Apple makes the move and starts cater for lower budgets or decides to reduce their handsome profit margin.









As I said, they suit my needs at the moment.

lenovo might be plastic, but they are tough. i dropped my cheap one on concrete and even though it cracked all it took was some tape to fix it. that was a year ago. dropped my HTC phone on concrete and it survived without a case. dropped my ipad 2 on concrete with a case and the glass shattered.

iOS is better and iCrap looks cool but in build quality it's crap
 
Says who? You? Just curious. Because I'm guessing that there are plenty of poeple who would say that Lion "roared" a lot of features that many find more of a meow.

IE - Lion Launchpad. The problem is Apple really doesn't know what it wants to do or what direction it wants to take so it's a mishmash of OS and iOS.

Playing devils advocate here. It all depends on your perspective, biases and ability to make oneself technology agnostic instead of being a loyalist (to whatever brand)

Sure, I have a bias towards Apple, I'm not a tech journalist so I have no need to be impartial, this is MacRumors last time I checked.

I do however work with Windoze and CentOS as per my job, Server 2008 + SQL Server are great products.

Regurgitating what I've said just makes for boring discussion.

All this excitement over what is essentially just another iteration rather than innovation. No doubt it'll sell well, has to right, OEMs keeping Microsoft alive today and have been!
 
the real cool stuff is on the server. hyper-v can do replication over IP without a SAN. you can do it with vmware but you need a separate product

and some ridiculous hardware support. up to 160 CPU's and 2TB of RAM

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lenovo might be plastic, but they are tough. i dropped my cheap one on concrete and even though it cracked all it took was some tape to fix it. that was a year ago. dropped my HTC phone on concrete and it survived without a case. dropped my ipad 2 on concrete with a case and the glass shattered.

iOS is better and iCrap looks cool but in build quality it's crap

Its not crap, its very solid. It's just that the aluminium casing takes all the force without absorbing anything, promptly transferring all of it to the innards. The computer will lock up when it falls and most components if not all will survive, but the case will be worthless, and it is rather expensive to substitute, perhaps not even worth doing it.

Aluminium looks nice, but definitely not a wise choice for engineers, architects etc (if on the job and not presenting).
 
What makes you say that it isnt? A few glances at some screen shots, and 30 seconds of youtube video? Admit it, you really know nothing about W8 - you just want to rant. Say it, we both know its true.

Read up, I have it the preview installed etc
 
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If Apple did not exist, we would have no fanboys to make fun of.

There is a group of fanboys out there, lurking in the shadows, that are worse than even the most diehard Apple fanboys. They are called "The PC Gaming fanboys".

This is the world in the PC Gaming Reality Distortion Field, you thought Apples was bad ;)

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Of course it does.

All Windows 8 is, is a bad UI overlay on top of same old Windows. That's essentially what it is.

MS doesn't have the guts or the daring to be *that* progressive and forward-looking to do a complete re-thinking and re-imagining of Windows (and to finally drop the old and tired "Windows" brand.) That's for other, more dynamic and quicker competitors to do.

Yet again further proof you did not watch the video, and are pulling false statements from thin air. This is not just a layer running on Windows, it is completely integrated, and running at the core of Windows, plus Windows 8 actually runs better and faster than Windows 7, using less resources.
 
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Sure, I have a bias towards Apple, I'm not a tech journalist so I have no need to be impartial, this is MacRumors last time I checked.

I do however work with Windoze and CentOS as per my job, Server 2008 + SQL Server are great products.

Regurgitating what I've said just makes for boring discussion.

All this excitement over what is essentially just another iteration rather than innovation. No doubt it'll sell well, has to right, OEMs keeping Microsoft alive today and have been!

Lion is just another iteration. iOS 5 is just another iteration.

But you lost me the second you posted "windoze." I'm up for discussing things with someone who is mature enough not to resort to stupid/silly name calling as a means to be "cute"
 
Lion is just another iteration. iOS 5 is just another iteration.

But you lost me the second you posted "windoze." I'm up for discussing things with someone who is mature enough not to resort to stupid/silly name calling as a means to be "cute"

That not being cute at all, person is sort of showing the proper respect to something that is on the same level as pond scum. But, I don't agree with is the air of Apple fanboy-ism that the person is giving off.
 
Lion is just another iteration. iOS 5 is just another iteration.

But you lost me the second you posted "windoze." I'm up for discussing things with someone who is mature enough not to resort to stupid/silly name calling as a means to be "cute"

There is a difference between the two, they provide a great user experience potentially because Apple makes their own HW and not to be cliche but "it just works". This of course is my opinion from my experience.

Didn't mean it in a derogatory manner, just a habit I suppose - wasn't trying to be "cute" at all far from it. I mentioned two great products where you have to give Microsoft credit for.

That not being cute at all, person is sort of showing the proper respect to something that is on the same level as pond scum. But, I don't agree with is the air of Apple fanboy-ism that the person is giving off.

A bit dramatic there! :eek: I'm not going to hide the fact I'm an Apple fanboy, however it remains to be seen what the average consumer's thought and opinion is of W8.

It's one thing being a techy and having an opinion but let Joe Bloggs off the street decide on what the pros and cons of W8 are. I still know so many folk stuck on XP...
 
Sure, I have a bias towards Apple, I'm not a tech journalist so I have no need to be impartial, this is MacRumors last time I checked.

I do however work with Windoze and CentOS as per my job, Server 2008 + SQL Server are great products.

Regurgitating what I've said just makes for boring discussion.

All this excitement over what is essentially just another iteration rather than innovation. No doubt it'll sell well, has to right, OEMs keeping Microsoft alive today and have been!

I can see innovation in the sense that it gives another option to the tablet scenario. At this time, we have iOS and Android. Both offer application stores and control obsolescence of their products denying software upgrades - Android is worse than iOS on this point.

Win8, on the contrary, puts the old Microsoft model to the tablet market: upgradeable OS forever (if you accept paying for it). You can perceive a slow down after upgrading, but theoretically you'll be capable of installing Windows 9 and 10 on a Windows 8 hardware if you want. Also, there will be no more "firmware updates" but normal weekly software updates as occurs on desktop OS.

Carriers also will be in trouble as it restricts device software customizations in a subtle manner. Currently, they have total control of firmware updates if you buy a device with a contract. Now, imagine if a malware fix will have to wait for the carriers' endorsement. I can't imagine that so I believe Win8 brings more freedom to the market as MS will give a **** to carriers.
 
even so, if you knew what you were using, you wouldnt write it off as just some tiles...

It's still Windows and it comes with a stigma attached to it, average punter doesn't know any better, they have it because it's installed as a defacto standard on their PC purchase.

Just pointed out the tiles as the UI is the first and foremost drastic change for Microsoft.
 
ARM is an architecture. You'd still need to ensure that Windows 8 is compatible with the proprietary A5 processor before saying it will run on an A5 SoC.

I am posting this on my Windows 8 VM.

2 years for a Bootcamp tablet edition :p
 
There is a group of fanboys out there, lurking in the shadows, that are worse than even the most diehard Apple fanboys. They are called "The PC Gaming fanboys".

This is the world in the PC Gaming Reality Distortion Field, you thought Apples was bad ;)


Haha, I love that jpg!
 
You know, *LTD*, you write your posts fairly eloquently. I wonder what would have been achieved if you had put your efforts towards a proper writing endeavour rather than posting pro Apple/anti MS platitudes and rhetoric.

It's probably an interesting diversion from my "proper writing endeavour." ;)
Currently, everyone of your posts are down ranked into oblivion, and I would hate to think that your posts are going unread because people are just skipping all the down ranked posts.

Which is entirely to their detriment. Curiously, these are usually the same folk who mysteriously disappear during quarterly report time.

In case you're wondering about the reasons, look who is replying to my posts and what they're posting. That should tell the whole story, and unfortunately, it's typical of MacRumors. The rating system here is just one more way to abuse our internet luxuries.

Happy reading!
 
I noticed in *LTD*'s signature that he said that Apple is to the "Post-PC as Microsoft and Intel were to the PC" or something to that effect.

Why is Apple not trying to phase these out then?
 
ARM is an architecture. You'd still need to ensure that Windows 8 is compatible with the proprietary A5 processor before saying it will run on an A5 SoC.

I am posting this on my Windows 8 VM.

I give it a matter of months from Windows 8s release, before we see someone running it on iPad 3. (Not officially of course ;))
 
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