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Microsoft Previews Windows 8 for Tablets and PCs

vito said:
All this excitement over what is essentially just another iteration rather than innovation. No doubt it'll sell well, has to right, OEMs keeping Microsoft alive today and have been!
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This essentially encapsulates the situation. Imagine a failed OS (Metro, WP7) gaining traction via MS' universal-licesning strong-arming? If consumers are looking for a $400 PeeCee, the only real choice will be something running Windows 8.

Even that Vista embarrassment - still the running joke of the industry - gained sizeable share by sheer force of numbers.

Of course, this a post-June 2007 (and certainly post-January 2010) environment and the rules of the game have changed. Some companies have changed along with them (and in time.) Others have not.

http://www.neowin.net/news/gartner-cuts-worldwide-pc-shipment-forecast-for-2011

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/21/microsoft-idUSN1E76K1RP20110721

Signs and portents . . .
 
Benjy91 said:
I give it a matter of months from Windows 8s release, before we see someone running it on iPad 3. (Not officially of course ;))
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Unlike Android, MS doesn't open source their kernel.

So short of using an emulation layer, I don't see it happening.
 
http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1025462-windows-8-metro-ui-summed-up-in-1-pic/

Windows 8 "Metro UI" summed up in 1 pic

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Note: MS has made it very clear that what some people call the "tablet interface" will be the default interface across all devices, including traditional PeeCees.
 
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vito said:
It's still Windows and it comes with a stigma attached to it, average punter doesn't know any better, they have it because it's installed as a defacto standard on their PC purchase.

Just pointed out the tiles as the UI is the first and foremost drastic change for Microsoft.
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Not sure that i can agree with that. Yes, the UI change is bold, and indeed, drastic, but compared to the new architecture stack i'd say the latter is the bigger change. I rarely go wow, but when i saw that and thought of how that would match with the "web of applications" my head started spinning just thinking about all the generativity that is inbound :- )

Then again, that topic is dear too me, it being one of my pet-research areas.
 
ct2k7 said:
I noticed in *LTD*'s signature that he said that Apple is to the "Post-PC as Microsoft and Intel were to the PC" or something to that effect.

Why is Apple not trying to phase these out then?
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Contracts, and stuff I take it. Kind of like selling your soul to the cpu devil. Apple is ready to bring out the ARM based MB line, it just they need to get their fanboys read(while the Macheads have been ready for a long time now). Once that happens they will be guaranteed almost 100% of the market shares.
 
coldmack said:
Contracts, and stuff I take it. Kind of like selling your soul to the cpu devil. Apple is ready to bring out the ARM based MB line, it just they need to get their fanboys read(while the Macheads have been ready for a long time now). Once that happens they will be guaranteed almost 100% of the market shares.
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Interesting. Problem is, ARM is nowhere near as powerful, and is 32-bit.
 
*LTD* said:
Note: MS has made it very clear that what some people call the "tablet interface" will be the default interface across all devices, including traditional PeeCees.
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Listen I don't know why you are calling it a PeeCee since your Mac is also a PC(personal computer), and that even more the case since its running a x86 based CPU. Fanboys like you that give Apple a bad name.
 
coldmack said:
Listen I don't know why you are calling it a PeeCee since your Mac is also a PC(personal computer), and that even more the case since its running a x86 based CPU. Fanboys like you that give Apple a bad name.
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Doesn't Apple also refer to Macs as PCs?
 
ct2k7 said:
Interesting. Problem is, ARM is nowhere near as powerful, and is 32-bit.
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I think it is, since many ARM based device can run HD video and flash files fairly smoothly, but some Intel and AMD based system are struggling to play HD files, while others are using close to 80% of their cpu just to play that new movie trailer, which is crazy. Plus, Quad core Nvidia and Snapdragon cpus should fix some of those issues, specially if you can multithread the cores and have the software optimized to handle it.


ct2k7 said:
Doesn't Apple also refer to Macs as PCs?
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I wouldn't know. I just know that PC generally are referred to as machines capable of running windows, which Intel(ew) Macs are.
 
coldmack said:
Listen I don't know why you are calling it a PeeCee since your Mac is also a PC(personal computer), and that even more the case since its running a x86 based CPU. Fanboys like you that give Apple a bad name.
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Not your ordinary PC. Macs behave differently, are marketed differently, and certainly sell differently (under the same conditions) than your average PC.

You've got Macs, and then there's all the rest.

ct2k7 said:
Doesn't Apple also refer to Macs as PCs?
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No.
 
coldmack said:
I think it is, since many ARM based device can run HD video and flash files fairly smoothly, but some Intel and AMD based system are struggling to play HD files, while others are using close to 80% of their cpu just to play that new movie trailer, which is crazy. Plus, Quad core Nvidia and Snapdragon cpus should fix some of those issues, specially if you can multithread the cores and have the software optimized to handle it.
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The problem I have with ARM is that is it only 32-bit and I don't think it is going to replace x86_64, maybe only x86. I'll need to see a performance comparison, but we should remember that ARM is only the architecture not the substance, so each processor, could be, in theory different. For some reason, I can't see myself starting Xcode on an ARM-based device.

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*LTD* said:
No.
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I thought you were going to reply to this, so I unhid this post.

Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced iPad 2 which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices.
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*LTD* said:
Not your ordinary PC. Macs behave differently, are marketed differently, and certainly sell differently (under the same conditions) than your average PC.
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That would make sense if it was a PPC Mac, but since Macs are now on the x86 architecture they almost behave the same and are now being sold besides x86 fail boats at the major retailers. Not to mention they are being now cross shopped since they can be ruined by running of a OS Wind'ohs(Apple mistake ever!).
 
divinox said:
Macs are terrible. Now go use Linux!

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Running on half the ram, and killing a bunch of processes - while giving you lots of additional features, and a whole new stack is not enough for you? What do you want really? A rainbow flying out of its ass?

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W8 is as close as youll get. Enjoy.

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No, thats not even close to "what it is". Ever considered educating yourself on the issues you want to dip your nose in? Honestly, i'm dying to know.

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What makes you say that it isnt? A few glances at some screen shots, and 30 seconds of youtube video? Admit it, you really know nothing about W8 - you just want to rant. Say it, we both know its true.

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Thats the upside of the MSFT ecosystem. If you do want a tablet that can build films, or play HL2 you can get one. If you dont want one, you can buy the equivalent of a $399 laptop instead (you know, those things that are constantly bashed around here - cause Apple doesnt make them).

Choice. Some people want and need a quad core processor, some dont. The benefit of not having Apples approach is that we can have both (for better and for worse).

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In 5 years, when MSFT has sold another half bill. to a billion, will you admit that you were wrong?
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Runs on half the ram? mines showing 850mb used doing NOTHING with 4gb of ram on my test rig.

Oh and I suppose you think those tiles are new features? and your talking as if this is useful to me and you know what I want?

The whole thing ruins work flow... you cant do professional work in windows 8 without hassle and frustration. Navigation is horrendous and all the "features" get in the way of EVERYTHING.

Terrible. If you reply to this with what I think will be a remark on how I am wrong... (which Is stupid considering I know how I use the OS in my own way and how its most useful to me) then go ahead try and make a sarcastic remark. You won't be taken seriously though.

Edit: I dont want useless new features... I want a faster more reliable OS that works like it should. I want more support for new hardware and software. I dont want a crappy tablet UI on a desktop machine when I want to do actual work without hassle. The start menu needs to come back, I know you can do a reg hack to get it back.. but users shouldnt need to do this it should already be there.... its ludicrous and the navigation is horrible.

To turn off the machine (using the UI and not keyboard commands) you have to first hover over the start menu wait for the pop up click settings then on the right side of the screen a stupid HUGE tab pops out covering 1/4 of the screen while only about 5% of the space is needed for the tiny icons in this space then you click the power icon then shut down. Its like left right left right left right POP UP left right POP UP. Metro UI! doh i didnt mean to click the start menu (Like I am used to after all windows users are used to this pretty important button).

Horrible mess. Thank the lord windows 7 is alright....
 
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ct2k7 said:
I thought you were going to reply to this, so I unhid this post.
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Essentially a Mac is a PC (a personalised environment) but to differentiate it from what the general census of what a PC is i.e. anything running Windows Apple usually refer to them by the type of device, you know MacBookPro, iMac etc. If you mention the term "PC" the vast majority of folk on the street with immediately think of a Windows based platform device, hence a Mac is better suited. PC just seems to be a defacto term when it comes to describing a Windows based machine.
 
Hopefully with windows 8 they make sure they get any bugs and problems out before they ship it. Lately it seems like there quick to bust out a new OS every year but quality wise there not too focused with. Sure it looks pretty and all but how functional is it is there going to be blue screens all the time or lag problems. So hopefully they will work on the performance of the windows 8 too.
 
ct2k7 said:
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Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced iPad 2 which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices.
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I thought you were going to reply to this, so I unhid this post.
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"Personal Computer" has a very different connotation than "PC" in the market, which is separate and apart from the actual definition (which of course will tell you that one is simply an abbreviation of the other.)

You rarely hear "Personal Computer." Apple used it because it sounds soft, "personal", rather intimate. But you will NEVER hear or see Apple use the abbreviation to describe Macs (at least not to any noticeable degree); an abbreviation which figures prominently in "Mac vs. PC" comparisons, and which is usually used as a term of derision or in a pejorative sense, at least in Apple circles.
 
*LTD* said:
"Personal Computer" has a very different connotation than "PC" in the market, which is separate and apart from the actual definition (which of course will tell you that one is simply an abbreviation of the other.)

You rarely hear "Personal Computer." Apple used it because it sounds soft, "personal", rather intimate. But you will NEVER hear or see Apple use the abbreviation (at least not to any noticeable degree); an abbreviation which figures prominently in "Mac vs. PC" comparisons, and which is usually used as a term of derision or in a pejorative sense, at least in Apple circles.
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Actually I did, 2010 Keynote, WWDC.
 
Come to think of it, when you walk in to a electronics store the term Personal Computer/PC isn't used very much at least from my recent visits. They all seem to refer to the brand and model etc
 
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