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Microsoft Previews Windows 8 for Tablets and PCs
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Yes I am, I don't joke around about my Apple computers. ARM is s the present and future of computers, x86 is so 2002.
Generally the new technology becomes "The present + Future" when it becomes better than the tech it's replacing.
there is a lot more that goes into marketshare than UI likes.
I doubt many people would say WebOS has a bad UI...yet look at their marketshare...
I anticipate we will see a jump in marketshare come this fall. Souds like they are treating the Mango update as a re-launch as sorts.
Plus the xbox360 dashboard is taking on Metro as well:
Metro is certianly here to stay.
But more on topic, watching the conference today, developers will be VERY happy...looks even easier to build windows applications and apply metro styling. Also they converted a simple app they made to Windows Phone app with one line of code.
I expect a laptop to have a fan, but not a tablet. But I guess that's to be expected when you try to run a full OS. But you're right - the problem lies with the hardware manufacturers.
The reason a fan-less x86 architecture tablet hasn't been made yet is simple- because x86 architecture tablets aren't worth making.
It's not the best looking device, and is pretty price(but very durable of course), but the Panasonic Toughbook H2 is suppose to be a fanless and come with an i5 cpu. http://www.panasonic.com/business/t...iliateDefault-_-Ecommerce-_-Default-_-Default
Love it! Beautiful and sleak.
And to those saying it does not add much to the desktop. Compare the desktops between Lion and SL. To the average user they'd look the same too, then say Mission Control and Launchpad. Well Microsoft added the Start UI which looks way better IMHO.
I can't wait for the DP.
And to those saying it does not add much to the desktop. Compare the desktops between Lion and SL. To the average user they'd look the same too, then say Mission Control and Launchpad. Well Microsoft added the Start UI which looks way better IMHO.
I can't wait for the DP.
What a horrible interface. It really makes me want to throw up....really....
Totally with you, every single element of that screenshot looks useless to me, I'm sure it has some cool features but from the looks of that pic I won't be buying!
THere will be fanless ARM windows 8 tablets i'm sure.
If you watched the event (which it really sounds like many people didn't)...they demoed Windows 8 on EVERY type of rig you could think of. High end, Dell rig, current hardware HP laptop, Samsung tablet etc.
They also showed it running on x86 AND running on ARM. Its still early and hardware is clearly just prototypes at this point, but to think they won't have a fanless version in the less powerful hardware selection would be silly.
But THIS is what i wanted out of a tablet...great portability and touch UI, but when you get home, easy to slide into a dock and get REAL work done.
If you watched the event (which it really sounds like many people didn't)...they demoed Windows 8 on EVERY type of rig you could think of. High end, Dell rig, current hardware HP laptop, Samsung tablet etc.
They also showed it running on x86 AND running on ARM. Its still early and hardware is clearly just prototypes at this point, but to think they won't have a fanless version in the less powerful hardware selection would be silly.
But THIS is what i wanted out of a tablet...great portability and touch UI, but when you get home, easy to slide into a dock and get REAL work done.
What a horrible interface. It really makes me want to throw up....really....
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Microsoft even saw fit to include a screen labeled start. I guess people would never know they were using a Microsoft OS unless they included the word "start" on some screen.
So you want Macbooks performing 80% slower...? Is it only because you want to gain an extra 17 minutes of battery life? The current lineup of ARM processors would suck horribly in a professional laptop, some of us do real work on laptops, and at the rate Intel and ARM are producing chips, ARM is way behind.
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I'm sure the fan is much higher quality than the one Apple puts into the iPad.
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I'm sure the fan is much higher quality than the one Apple puts into the iPad.
Meh
We'll see. I don't get too worked up about MS events anymore. It's more than a year away, so a lot can/will change. Plus, we've been teased with these wonderful, and awesome new toys before [remember Courier?].
When it's April/May 2012, and it's more polished, and has some more legs to stand on, I'll bite. For now, like my title says..."Meh"...
We'll see. I don't get too worked up about MS events anymore. It's more than a year away, so a lot can/will change. Plus, we've been teased with these wonderful, and awesome new toys before [remember Courier?].
When it's April/May 2012, and it's more polished, and has some more legs to stand on, I'll bite. For now, like my title says..."Meh"...
Wow that is one ugly tablet. And I don't see it anywhere listed as having an i5 cpu!
I liked Metro on smartphones. I'm not sure how I feel about it being an integral part of a desktop operating system. It could just be such a radical paradigm shift that it would take time to really appreciate.
Downloading a copy tonight, can't wait
Ditto. I'm not gonna lie, this looks pretty darn cool. Any Windows partitions I have I use on my Mac anyways so I figure I have nothing to lose to try it out. Plus I'm a geek.
The issue here is not eh OS itself. I'm sure W8 for tablets will be not shabby. And not an iOS clone like Android is. But the issue will be in the hardware/software integration.
Apple design the hardware with the OS in mind. And design the OS with the hardware in mind. Heck they even designed the smart cover with the hardware/OS in mind. So for Apple they pretty much design an iPad. All it's parts as one big process.
But for MS they design the OS and someone else deigns the software. And this has the following issues:
Multiple tablets and hardware configurations from multiple vendors. That's a lot of stuff to optimise the OS for.
Will the tablet hardware makers make their tablets with W8 in mind? Or will they just sell their junk and leave all the optimisation over to MS and W8.
You don't have inhouse integration of hardware and software. So arguments between MS and the hardware vendors could arise.
Will the hardware of the tablets be W8 only. Or will the same models be used for android as well as W8. Kind of like here's a tablet and pick your OS. Sure that doesn't mean too much. But it does mean you don't have tablets solely optimised for W8. if this is the case.
Will the apps work just as well on every hardware configuration from every hardware vendor. Important for the W8 program developers.
Will the buck be passed in post sales support. ie MS saying it's a hardware issue and the hardware vendors saying it's an OS issue. And neither really wanting to do anything about your issue
All this worries me if the areas of battery life, hardware fragmentation, Program stability among all the different W8 tablets, buck passing in post sales support etc etc.
Personally I like what I see from MS here. W8. Is fresh, a new take on the OS. Not just being an Apple cloning isheep like everyone else is. So I love the principles. I always have from MS. But their downfall could be in the implementation. It doesn't matter how good the idea it is, if it's implemented as an OS like a piece of ****, then no one will buy it. (or they'll buy it and winge like crazy).
MS have a good idea here. But can they turn it into a good OS? Only time will tell.
Apple design the hardware with the OS in mind. And design the OS with the hardware in mind. Heck they even designed the smart cover with the hardware/OS in mind. So for Apple they pretty much design an iPad. All it's parts as one big process.
But for MS they design the OS and someone else deigns the software. And this has the following issues:
Multiple tablets and hardware configurations from multiple vendors. That's a lot of stuff to optimise the OS for.
Will the tablet hardware makers make their tablets with W8 in mind? Or will they just sell their junk and leave all the optimisation over to MS and W8.
You don't have inhouse integration of hardware and software. So arguments between MS and the hardware vendors could arise.
Will the hardware of the tablets be W8 only. Or will the same models be used for android as well as W8. Kind of like here's a tablet and pick your OS. Sure that doesn't mean too much. But it does mean you don't have tablets solely optimised for W8. if this is the case.
Will the apps work just as well on every hardware configuration from every hardware vendor. Important for the W8 program developers.
Will the buck be passed in post sales support. ie MS saying it's a hardware issue and the hardware vendors saying it's an OS issue. And neither really wanting to do anything about your issue
All this worries me if the areas of battery life, hardware fragmentation, Program stability among all the different W8 tablets, buck passing in post sales support etc etc.
Personally I like what I see from MS here. W8. Is fresh, a new take on the OS. Not just being an Apple cloning isheep like everyone else is. So I love the principles. I always have from MS. But their downfall could be in the implementation. It doesn't matter how good the idea it is, if it's implemented as an OS like a piece of ****, then no one will buy it. (or they'll buy it and winge like crazy).
MS have a good idea here. But can they turn it into a good OS? Only time will tell.
Courier was never demoed live in front of an audience and then given away to say audience.
Just sayin'
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