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I think Gartenberg said it best that they need to make that cost $0 and get everyone onboard NOW so apps are ready and polished on day 1 of its release.

Also I think the Metro UI has serious potential but I hate the use of the name, "charms". It's as bad as "magical".

yep

was at the AT&T store the other day to check out the samsung infuse only because i wanted to see the screen. the phone is laggy, and google maps took forever and crashed. tried the same things on the iphone 4 and it was responsive. same with bing maps on the HD7 or whatever it's called. the OS is as responsive as iOS. i'd buy it but the software support is crap at this point.
 
Anyone else afraid this might come with the GSOD (Green Screen of Death)?

:eek:
 
My Android phone has live tiles... they're called widgets (which can pretty much be the same thing). :rolleyes:

Mmm, no Android widgets are not like WP7 Live Tiles

yep

was at the AT&T store the other day to check out the samsung infuse only because i wanted to see the screen. the phone is laggy, and google maps took forever and crashed.

Then the phone was faulty
 
So you want Macbooks performing 80% slower...? Is it only because you want to gain an extra 17 minutes of battery life? The current lineup of ARM processors would suck horribly in a professional laptop, some of us do real work on laptops, and at the rate Intel and ARM are producing chips, ARM is way behind.
Real fact is intel is also behind. If they really cared about performance and power efficiency they would be keeping all the promises they made years ago. Like as recent and 2 years ago an Intel blogger was quoted as saying"Intel is investing heavily in resources to create an Intel host controllers spec in order to speed time to market of the USB 3.0 technology." -- Intel blogger Nick Knupffer Never happened. Or the fact they could easily give us a cpu with Graphine based technology included, but nope, they rather slowly give you updates, that could be called marginal at best. ARM on the other hand with the help of cpu manufactures like Nvidia have plans to give us low power quad core tablets, something Intel can't even offer in their even lower than ULV power Atom line. What the fickey is up with that. /end rant
 
yep

was at the AT&T store the other day to check out the samsung infuse only because i wanted to see the screen. the phone is laggy, and google maps took forever and crashed. tried the same things on the iphone 4 and it was responsive. same with bing maps on the HD7 or whatever it's called. the OS is as responsive as iOS. i'd buy it but the software support is crap at this point.

Then the phone you used was garbage.

Go find any video of Bing Maps on windows phone...it is fluid and responsive.

Every built in app is....i know 3rd party apps were not as responsive but mango fixes that apparently.
 
Well, from the looks it is MUCH different that Windows OS of yesteryear.

For the past 15+ years MS Windows has been pretty much the same thing, just fluffed and "prettied" and many times the fluff just slowed down the system and tried to mimic Mac OS. I can say this seems like it is referencing Mac but really looks like a different direction for MS. Perhaps as some have said, this will just be bloat as it is loaded on the same skeleton as the past MS OS.

A new direction. I could be good.
 
10.1" sunlight-viewable dual touch tablet PC. Up to 6000 nit in direct sunlight. Intel Core i5 processor. MIL-STD-810G & IP65. Optional 4G LTE or 3G Gobi.

Ah cause when i clicked specs there was no mention of an i5 cpu. Odd.
 
Are you old enough to remember the 1990's? Look it up all the answers are there. Here's a tidbit: Bill Gates + Savvy Business Bullying = Monopoly.

You forgot some things:

Bill Gates + Savvy business bullying + terrible business strategy by Apple & other competitors + spike of consumer interest in personal computers = success/monopoly
 
Only Microsoft would deliver a tablet and OS that would require a fan and produces a lot of heat.

This is a early development box, folks. Remember that the early XBox 360 development hardware was a Mac G5? Shipping products don't necessarily represent early development boxes.
 
I expect a laptop to have a fan, but not a tablet. But I guess that's to be expected when you try to run a full OS. But you're right - the problem lies with the hardware manufacturers.

Let's see, which one is more likely:

Windows is efficient, hardware manufacturer added fans that run all the time for no reason.

Or that Windows is bloated, heats up device, drains batteries, and requires cooling fan.
 
Let's see, which one is more likely:

Windows is efficient, hardware manufacturer added fans that run all the time for no reason.

Or that Windows is bloated, heats up device, drains batteries, and requires cooling fan.


Or, even more likely:

Windows 8 is pre-alpha software running on prototype hardware and will never ship to customers with a fan, and since both the hardware and software are probably at least a year away from a release, let's not jump to conclusions.

Good lord some of you MS bashers come up with the stupidest crap :rolleyes:
 
Let's see, which one is more likely:

Windows is efficient, hardware manufacturer added fans that run all the time for no reason.

Or that Windows is bloated, heats up device, drains batteries, and requires cooling fan.

So you're convinced that the same tablet using OS X Lion instead of Windows 8 would not need a fan? Really?
 
Let's see, which one is more likely:

Windows is efficient, hardware manufacturer added fans that run all the time for no reason.

Or that Windows is bloated, heats up device, drains batteries, and requires cooling fan.

Neither. It's a development machine! AKA work in progress, meant for developers to play around with and start seeing what the capabilities are of the new OS.
 
Looks fantastic to me.

Starting with the Ribbon for Microsoft Office I began respecting whoever was doing interface at Microsoft. There are people there that are really turning the focus from product to user. Rather than checkbox features, the new stuff has been user-centric. It all sort of blew up during the Vista era, but I think the Windows 7 recovery has really galvanized their new appreciation for user centric interface. It's Microsoft so change must necessarily come slowly, but that's what makes this stuff so surprising and impressive.

My current impression of what is out there right now for tablets/phones:
iOS is piles of apps
Android is checkboxes, sliders, and option buttons
Windows 8 is everything important up front

I love my dozens of Apple products, but this thing is making me take notice. I'd call it a glove in the face to Apple. Tim Cook's first big challenge.

It would take far more than the promise of a new UI to pull me from the iTunes/iPad/iPhone ecosystem however. :)
 
So you're convinced that the same tablet using OS X Lion instead of Windows 8 would not need a fan? Really?

Apple has the good sense not to put a full blown OS on a tablet. For a long time, I was really hoping that Microsoft would make a tablet-specific OS as well. We'll see in time whether their approach pays off for them.
 
Apple has the good sense not to put a full blown OS on a tablet. For a long time, I was really hoping that Microsoft would make a tablet-specific OS as well. We'll see in time whether their approach pays off for them.

And the same tablet used on the presentation with iOS? Will it need the fan or not?
 
Let's see, which one is more likely:

Windows is efficient, hardware manufacturer added fans that run all the time for no reason.

Or that Windows is bloated, heats up device, drains batteries, and requires cooling fan.

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WHY is there this sudden obsession to combine tablet computing paradigms and desktop computing paradigms into one?

They are fundamentally different.

You do desktop computing sitting down at a machine, running various apps at the same time, performing several different tasks. You can observe other tasks running in other windows. You're sitting back, using a mouse and keyboard to control an interface on one or more typically large displays.

You do tablet computing sitting anywhere, holding the tablet in your hand, running one app at a time, or switching between two apps. The screen is too small to really show more than one app at a time. You're using a touchscreen, which is easily accessible because of the way you hold a tablet.

They are very different, and combining them makes no sense! I have no desire to use my Macbook Pro like an iPad, nor do I want to use my iPad like a Macbook Pro!
 
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