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So in essence...

- Nokia goes all in with Windows Phone... doesn't even stack cards in other subnets for a fallback, such as having some Android devices in their fleet as well, etc.
- The world doesn't care about Windows Phone
- The one time world handset leader's sales plummet
- Now they sell off their handset line to the devil they made the deal with that sunk them anyway

Check me off on LOL please.
 
I still am curious why Microsoft thinks it needs to be a hardware company. :confused:

Yes! But not only this, it's that MS thinks it can be a *successful* hardware company, when all it has is a trail of abysmal failures every time it goes into hardware (setting aside XBox for this discussion). It's corporate hubris.

The first thing I'd do is go back to being a software company and split off OS from Apps, then port MS apps to every single platform out there, so instead of getting Office on every single device through Windows, it gets Office on every single device through every single OS out there. The desktop is not a growth industry, some may say it's slowly dying, why should all those MS apps anchor themselves to a sinking ship?

This acquisition will slowly fade into nothing, no other phone manufacturers will want Windows Phone now, not enough people want either WP or Nokia, so this will end not well for either.
 
If they weren't doomed before...

Jokes aside, it's a interesting, though predictable move, and unlike Googles purchase of Microsoft this as likely done for the right reasons but is it s case of too much too late?

Hmmmmm, interesting forecast there, I wonder what year that will happen? :)
 
Think about it, Nokia wasn't doing a damn thing to Apple before this announcement and they won't do anything after it.
But MS will have to deal with having to create new handsets, lots of them, throughout the year to keep sales up. Apple is still the only player able to have one phone per year and make billions.
So, think MS can do that? Hell no.MS will acquire so much debt it will hurt like a swift kick in the ass.
This move is just to raise their stock price.
 
They should try LISTENING to their customers for a start!! Windows 8 was not well received because (amongst other reasons) the Start Menu was taken away. EVERYONE wanted it back, but here we are at Windows 8.1 and instead of a Start Menu, we get a Start Button that does nothing. Why not just give the option to have it back? Stubborn they are!

Microsoft needs to listen better, and maybe people will buy it.

Microsoft are tick tock, Windows 7 is great, skip windows 8 and wait for next gen. Some goes for intel CPU revisions.

To be honest I have no intention to upgrade to Win 8 or Mavericks, neither offer me anything that the current OS have, and do damn well

To be honest looking at the list of Mavericks features, I highly doubt these are the things customers have been asking for ;)
 
They should try LISTENING to their customers for a start!! Windows 8 was not well received because (amongst other reasons) the Start Menu was taken away. EVERYONE wanted it back, but here we are at Windows 8.1 and instead of a Start Menu, we get a Start Button that does nothing. Why not just give the option to have it back? Stubborn they are!

Microsoft needs to listen better, and maybe people will buy it.

I agree that this is so; but in a larger sense it calls into question the whole way in which Windows 8 was developed. Why and how did this happen? What critical parts of the design and vetting process were left out? Was it imperial arrogance ("We know what they need") or something like that?

It's an old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Did they "fix" Windows 7 (which was pretty good IMHO) just to sell more copies of Windows? Who knows, but the result has not been pretty, as you correctly point out.
 
You have to understand the mentality on these forums, though...many feel that if you discuss anything not made by Apple (check out any discussion of Android vs iPhone on these forums), you're beaten down, and basically ordered to leave.
You can talk Android all day, as long as you talk sense into it. The rejected Fandroids are those who claim that iOS must become like Android and the iPhone must become like Galaxy hardware. If you don't understand the appeal of the Apple approach, you should be a reader on this forum not a writer.

Now don't leave, just shut up and listen ...
 
Yes! But not only this, it's that MS thinks it can be a *successful* hardware company, when all it has is a trail of abysmal failures every time it goes into hardware (setting aside XBox for this discussion). It's corporate hubris.

The first thing I'd do is go back to being a software company and split off OS from Apps, then port MS apps to every single platform out there, so instead of getting Office on every single device through Windows, it gets Office on every single device through every single OS out there. The desktop is not a growth industry, some may say it's slowly dying, why should all those MS apps anchor themselves to a sinking ship?

This acquisition will slowly fade into nothing, no other phone manufacturers will want Windows Phone now, not enough people want either WP or Nokia, so this will end not well for either.
What exactly did MS get for this $7B? Employees and factories for the Nokia phone division? Are they getting any valuable exclusive patents or services with this deal? Seems like all they acquired were more employees (which they don't need) and a money losing operation.
 
Tiles are hated! :cool: That's why Windows Phones don't sell.

Having a 1 or a 2 horse race can end up bad for everybody. If Apple and Google both take the smartphone industry in a direction that is bad for developers or end users then we will start missing alternatives like WindowsPhone, BlackBerry, Ubuntu Phone, etc.

It's no different than only having 2 choices in politics, minor parties and independents can be the better choice.
 
Well, the software only part as far as the phone is concerned hasn't worked very well. Android and IOS rule the roost. Apple has proven (as far as I am concerned) that hardware and software integration are critical to success. They pretty much blew it with their foray into tablets, but I really think that the phone offers them a chance at redemption. The market is immense and growing. Apple already ruled the tablet market, no room to grow.

I have a Windows 8 computer and I kind of like the idea of the tiles, but it is really hard to use; the UI is obscure. As a software only company they haven't shined recently except for the residual success of Office, which really is good.

They have to try SOMETHING. If they can get Windows Phone right on a compatible platform it will be a start.
But what's the point of buying a money losing hardware business? Nokia was pretty much exclusive to Microsoft anyway so they pretty much had the software/hardware integration already. All Microsoft gets for $7B is more employees (even thought they're bloated as is) and uncompetitive manufacturing facilities.
 
How about making their app store usable? It's just a mish-mosh of colored tiles that makes it practically impossible to find anything (at least on Windows 8).

Lately, I considered a Windows phone for a professional client of mine who's been having issues with her iPhone not correctly syncing meeting events on an Exchange server account. Apparently, this is a long time issue that Apple has never fixed and I had read that this issue does not plague Windows phone users. I took one look at the mail app on the Windows phone and immediately dismissed Windows Phone as an option. The OS is very UNprofessional looking, and looks geared towards the younger, social media-minded consumer. MS really needs to make the OS more corporate friendly if they want to sell these things. People don't keep a phone for work and a phone for play...they need a phone they can do both.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. You immediately dismissed Windows 8 email app just by LOOKS alone?! This is exactly the problem with your Apple-centric 'standards'. First off, Microsoft's email clients are designed to be deep and customizable. If you look at Apple's native Mail, it is extremely limited and has no junk filter controls. NONE. Even worse, there is no 'Delete All' button on the inbox folder if you wanted to flush out the entire inbox. You can do it on the Trash folder, though on the other hand.

The problem with Apple's Mail is that you have to scroll, scroll, and scroll for long periods of time in order to delete each mail in the INBOX folder. When I had an Blackberry, I was able to get to the bottom of the mail folder or go straight to the top without scrolling.

And Apple claims to be design visionaries? REALLY? REALLY!?! Then why the hell didn't they bother creating a gesture to allow us to skip to the bottom or top of the inbox? In most email clients, one could do that. Definitely on the Blackberry mail you can do it very quickly without scrolling. I know because I've had past experience using it.

When I had Microsoft Outlook years ago on the Powerbook G4, it was the best one I've had because I was able to control which junk to block or automatically delete. You can't do that on the native Mail app on iphone, unless you use other 3rd party apps for this. Especially if you're a working professional, you're not going to have time to keep selecting mail to delete if you wanted to cut back on junk.

Apple's native Mail has no 'rules' to create an auto-responder if you're on vacation, or whatnot. So my advice to you is do NOT underestimate Windows 8 nor Microsoft. And lastly, you should know that one of Microsoft's markets has always been about corporate customers.

Apple's native Mail is crap and limited. In fact, I discovered that POP mail doesn't work very well with it except IMAP especially using Godaddy mail with it. You should've been able to set up Exchange on Mail, otherwise or use Sparrow or any other 3rd party app.

If Apple wants to be on top, they need to beef up their own Mail application and add more features to it to make it more robust. One problem with iOS is having too much of tapping and swiping.

Minimalist design is NOT always the best nor perfect route to take. It works for some of the time but not all the time. The problem with Apple is they focus too much on 'eye candy' and less on function.
 
You guys are crazy. WP is the FASTEST growing smartphone market (already about 10% in Europe), Nokia's hardware is stellar and won all sorts of awards, and everyone who has used WP8 for more than fifteen minutes has absolutely loved it, myself included. The app selection is growing VERY rapidly , same with the feature set of the OS, and you can't touch how beautiful it is. Apple and Google better watch out, because this is a potent combination. I personally switched from an iPhone 4S to the Lumia 920 and I absolutely love it. If you want to know why, I did a write-up here.

With Nokia, MS can offer Drive, Here, and Nokia's other stellar apps as a standard on the platform, and even collect royalties because of the patents they hold. This was a spectacular move on their part and all they really have to do is not meddle too much with their new purchase. Of course this also means that they'll be able to test hardware and software in-house as its developing.
 
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They should try LISTENING to their customers for a start!! Windows 8 was not well received because (amongst other reasons) the Start Menu was taken away. EVERYONE wanted it back, but here we are at Windows 8.1 and instead of a Start Menu, we get a Start Button that does nothing. Why not just give the option to have it back? Stubborn they are!

Microsoft needs to listen better, and maybe people will buy it.

Don't make me laugh. They already fixed the START button problem. In fact, if you didn't pay attention, the START button was there all along!! Right on the logo affixed on the monitor which was 'touch sensitive'. When I looked at Win 8 at Best Buy, I wondered what happened to the START button and then tried touching the physical logo ( seen dead center and below ) on the tablet or large touch screen monitor, it worked.

Win 8 is NOT that hard to figure out. I'm a designer/artist and can easily follow along with the Win 8 UI layout.
 
They should try LISTENING to their customers for a start!! Windows 8 was not well received because (amongst other reasons) the Start Menu was taken away. EVERYONE wanted it back, but here we are at Windows 8.1 and instead of a Start Menu, we get a Start Button that does nothing. Why not just give the option to have it back? Stubborn they are!

Microsoft needs to listen better, and maybe people will buy it.

LOL, do you think M$ need to listen to their customers? Windows has been dominating the computing markets for decades.
 
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. You immediately dismissed Windows 8 email app just by LOOKS alone?! This is exactly the problem with your Apple-centric 'standards'. First off, Microsoft's email clients are designed to be deep and customizable. If you look at Apple's native Mail, it is extremely limited and has no junk filter controls. NONE. Even worse, there is no 'Delete All' button on the inbox folder if you wanted to flush out the entire inbox. You can do it on the Trash folder, though on the other hand.

The problem with Apple's Mail is that you have to scroll, scroll, and scroll for long periods of time in order to delete each mail in the INBOX folder. When I had an Blackberry, I was able to get to the bottom of the mail folder or go straight to the top without scrolling.

And Apple claims to be design visionaries? REALLY? REALLY!?! Then why the hell didn't they bother creating a gesture to allow us to skip to the bottom or top of the inbox? In most email clients, one could do that. Definitely on the Blackberry mail you can do it very quickly without scrolling. I know because I've had past experience using it.

When I had Microsoft Outlook years ago on the Powerbook G4, it was the best one I've had because I was able to control which junk to block or automatically delete. You can't do that on the native Mail app on iphone, unless you use other 3rd party apps for this. Especially if you're a working professional, you're not going to have time to keep selecting mail to delete if you wanted to cut back on junk.

Apple's native Mail has no 'rules' to create an auto-responder if you're on vacation, or whatnot. So my advice to you is do NOT underestimate Windows 8 nor Microsoft. And lastly, you should know that one of Microsoft's markets has always been about corporate customers.

Apple's native Mail is crap and limited. In fact, I discovered that POP mail doesn't work very well with it except IMAP especially using Godaddy mail with it. You should've been able to set up Exchange on Mail, otherwise or use Sparrow or any other 3rd party app.

If Apple wants to be on top, they need to beef up their own Mail application and add more features to it to make it more robust. One problem with iOS is having too much of tapping and swiping.

Minimalist design is NOT always the best nor perfect route to take. It works for some of the time but not all the time. The problem with Apple is they focus too much on 'eye candy' and less on function.

I'm sorry you misunderstood what I wrote. I wrote of the Windows Phone email app, not the Windows 8 mail app.

Glad you got your feelings off your chest, although most of it doesn't apply to me (if that's the way you meant it) since I'm not really a defender of all things Apple, or by any means did I write anything could be construed to be "apple-centric".
 
MS is six years late to the party. They have abominable software and they are buying a tired, dying company. The best thing for them to do is step back and develop something totally new but they won't. They will keep patching this old stuff together in the hope that someone will buy it. This is still Zune mentality. At some point they will increase their position in Dell and own that too and continue that dive to the bottom. It's time to MS to realize that they're still re-cooking Win95 and push the market into something truly new and better. Maybe without Ballmer, they will go that way but I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
You guys are crazy. WP is the FASTEST growing smartphone market, Nokia's hardware is stellar and won all sorts of awards, and everyone who has used WP8 for more than fifteen minutes has absolutely loved it, myself included. The app selection is growing VERY rapidly (already about 10% in Europe), same with the feature set of the OS, and you can't touch how beautiful it is. Apple and Google better watch out, because this is a potent combination.

Metro? Live Tiles? Beautiful? Are you blind? It is a nasty UI - see the screenshot earlier in this thread to see what a POS it is. It's not that intuitive, has bad design and is generally a poor experience for most users.

And Fastest Growing. Citation please. I could be "fastest growing" if I sold 0 widgets in 2012, 2 in 2013 and 5 in 2014. Doesn't mean it's growing. The market is outpacing Windows Phone gains (ie: MS gains 5% Android gains 10% and iOS 7%).

The fact is developers are interested in iOS 1st, Android a close second and if Windows Phone makes it on the radar it's a very distant third. Those are the facts, Jack.
 
Well, the software only part as far as the phone is concerned hasn't worked very well. Android and IOS rule the roost. Apple has proven (as far as I am concerned) that hardware and software integration are critical to success. They pretty much blew it with their foray into tablets, but I really think that the phone offers them a chance at redemption. The market is immense and growing. Apple already ruled the tablet market, no room to grow.

I have a Windows 8 computer and I kind of like the idea of the tiles, but it is really hard to use; the UI is obscure. As a software only company they haven't shined recently except for the residual success of Office, which really is good.

They have to try SOMETHING. If they can get Windows Phone right on a compatible platform it will be a start.

Give Microsoft time with their Surface Pro. I like it for professional reasons as a designer/artist and because of that, it has a built-in pressure sensitivity tech from Wacom with the stylus. I've heard a lot of pro artists used it for creating illustrations and designs with Surface using Photoshop, Painter, Sketchbook Pro, etc. iPad cannot do it due to the capacitive glass and needs a specialized stylus for this reason.

The Win 8 tiles is actually a nice direction and gives them a sense of uniqueness from iOS and Android. It's certainly a LOT cleaner than Win 7 and older and shows a bit of organic interactivity.

If you think about it, when Ballmer retires, their new CEO may know what he/she is doing when it comes to the new Nokia acquisition, among other things.
 
But what's the point of buying a money losing hardware business? Nokia was pretty much exclusive to Microsoft anyway so they pretty much had the software/hardware integration already. All Microsoft gets for $7B is more employees (even thought they're bloated as is) and uncompetitive manufacturing facilities.

Yes, this could be the outcome. If it is, I wonder if there is a future for MS as a stand-alone company or will it go the Blackberry route, just taking longer to get there. Sell off the winners like XBOX and Office?

I really think this is their last chance to make a mark in the mobile computing business. It will be interesting to watch.
 
I still wonder what a contemporary Symbian phone could be like. Nokia also had some of the best hardware (N95, N8) and unquestionably the best cameras in phones.

I love my Nokia 808 Pureview - 41MP camera and amazing sound recording is contemporary enough for me.

But it's almost impossible to find because it's Symbian.

Burning platform = burning brand.
 
LOL, do you think M$ need to listen to their customers? Windows has been dominating the computing markets for decades.

Blackberry was dominating the smartphone market and look what happened in couple of years. Things can change.
 
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