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What's idiotic is saying it is great to have USB so you can transfer photos from your tablet to your desktop...

Expandable storage (physical) is one of those legacy computing thought patterns that is becoming less and less relevant every day. People get stuck thinking they need to carry their entire video collection, 128 gigs, with them on the tablet on the off chance they want to watch one particular episode of Lost. It's a hoarding behavior that people need to change.

No it isn't. You really bought that cloud storage idea you were sold didn't you.

If I have a large library of audio and apps, guess what? I want to use them. Is that too shocking?

With the increase in HD content and the fact Apps can be hundreds of MB + caching or file storage, there's nothing "legacy" and no "hoarding behavior" to it. It's basic storage requirements.
 
No it isn't. You really bought that cloud storage idea you were sold didn't you.

If I have a large library of audio and apps, guess what? I want to use them. Is that too shocking?

With the increase in HD content and the fact Apps can be hundreds of MB + caching or file storage, there's nothing "legacy" and no "hoarding behavior" to it. It's basic storage requirements.

1) HD content on a tablet? You'll hit the max quality pretty quickly. We're talking about media for portable devices, not your home cinema.
2) You seem to think that the only solution is more onboard storage. It's as though faster, cheaper, and more reliable wireless infrastructure was impossible.
3) Nobody is arguing that apps should be stored in the cloud.
4) Not every product is going to meet every niche case. For most, massive amounts of on-board storage has already gone the way of the dodo.
 
Superior in what regard? Is it more secure than iOS? Better ecosystem? Overall better interface? And in Android's case, what version are you talking about specifically since Google doesn't encourage vendors to use the latest or to ensure their is an upgrade path for recent devices with and older version.

Note the expression "in this regard" in my original sentence ("WinRT (and, soon, Android) is definitely superior to the pretty much stalling iOS in this regard.")

As I've stated in prev. posts in this #, I don't consider the WinRT platform a mature one. While it has excellent split-screen multitask, the screen resolution of the first-gen WinRT tablets is plain unacceptable for me who won't use anything with worse resolution than a Retina iPad (or a Nexus 10).

As for iOS stalling, please illuminate. iOS 7 looks to be a strong upgrade to keep it relevant. I agree iOS 6 is stale & even tedious to use and look at but that is in the past. Forstall is no more.

I think saying Android (JellyBean) or Win 8 is superior to iOS is a bit of a hyperbole. It's also silly that these insidious "my OS is better than your OS" wars continue from back in the Mac vs Win days. If you drive a Honda do you also get upset because your neighbor drives what you believe is an inferior Toyota product?

1, again, I used "in this regard/respect" when comparing the OS'es. I haven't stated WinRT as a whole is better than iOS. It isn't. This is why my private tablets are all iPads and haven't jumped ship.

2, iOS7 did receive some nice upgrades, that's right. (I've even published three full articles on the new API features of the camera here at MR - see https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17491471/ for links if interested.) But it's just peanuts compared to what Android has received - and will receive in 5.0 if the rumors are true. (For example, windowed multitasking.) Actually, Apple lists / refers to some features as "new", while they were present in earlier iOS versions and, then, were removed (60 fps recording and anti-aliased iPhone 2x mode on non-Retina iPads, for example). I, as a power user, am not really interested in how an OS looks like, what color the icons are. The base OS stayed the same - with different GUI components and stock icons.

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1) HD content on a tablet? You'll hit the max quality pretty quickly. We're talking about media for portable devices, not your home cinema.

Why not? IPS screens are generally excellent when it comes to multimedia playback. And all current tablets have hardware H.264 decoders, which play 1080p movies (when in a correct, supported container) flawlessly.

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That is what Quasar was for right?

Quasar has the same multitasking model as the Backgrounder / Background Manager JB tweaks. That is, they allow any apps to run anything in the background. (Technically, they don't let the system call their app delegate's life cycle pause / terminate methods. This is why the apps just continue execution. If interested, I've posted quite a lot of additional info on the life cycle and what it means in the Background Manager # here at MR: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1586831/ )

iOS7's new multitasking features, on the other hand, in no way allow anything similar. Actually, they only allow for background Internet data fetching / refreshing and the like. Don't except to run any kind of code.

No to mention how good could be a drag and drop over from one app to another.

Yup, that's also a fine feature of WinRT's snap mode IIRC.

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As for iOS7 being stale, meh I find it funny that "flattening" icons is such a progressive step forward. To me it's just a huge waste of resources with all that graphic useless revamping they did.

Exactly. They could have spent all those resources of making a better API. For example, they could have provided us with better 720p60 recording, not the fully binned one. Or, wired(!) video playback in the background. The hardware is certainly capable of it.
 
Use one first before commenting.

i HAVE, i own almost all galaxy devices, and a windows RT so yes i have USED THEM therefore I Commented.

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Wrong. You wouldn't like the battery life and you haven't seen the iOS 7 app switcher.

I have iOS 7 on my iPad and iPhone 5, although the multitasking is a huge upgrade from iOS 5 & 6. It's not there yet.
 
so typical ... it never changes

This is so painfully typical of pc vs mac arguments ... and the argument never changes amazingly.

To make it worse, in this scenario, the argument is so awkwardly forced it's absurd. "Look ... I've already checked his ERA 5 seconds faster than you ... and now I have the star pitcher and you don't ... and I'm video chatting my boss and he's already made a decision ... IDIOT!"

This is like anti-apple guys 10 years ago telling you how stupid your ipod was because you were "trapped" in Apple's ecosystem ... and that their device (fill in the blank) had 10% more mips ... and 15% more pips ... and 12% more whatevers.

All you can say is .. "I'm sure you're right. But I like mine and my music sounds great. Thanks though!"
 
You have that right. Anyone that has experience around baseball scouting knows this is not how it is done.

Or for that matter the choice in settings. If you really want to make an example do one that relates to a big audience. Like say a kid researching a paper. Not some half a percent thing.
 
I wish people would stop calling it cloud...its a dam drive thats not yours and is somewhere else...Load of Hype!

Cloud just comes from networking diagrams that us IT nerds use.

Anything that is out of scope of your project (i.e., don't know or care what is there - it is provided and managed by someone else) is drawn as a cloud.
 
If I am editing the .h and .m files of an Objective-C program or following written instructions while doing something, I want them side-by-side to look back and forth extremely quickly.

Poor example, that's not a task you would likely do on a tablet even if it could.

That is the big difference here. Apple isn't looking at tablets as computer killers for all audiences. Yes for those that only need something that can email, browse the web, play video. But for the rest that need a computer for programming, editing a major feature film etc, get a computer. MS on the other hand is trying to be a tablet for those that don't need a computer AND a hard core computer in tablet form even if it makes little sense to use that form.

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However, this all started with a major limitation of iOS. It's actually about the lack of flash.

Given that Flash is slow,buggy, tends to eat processor and RAM and is a major source of malwa exploits, I'd say most of the world really doesn't see the lack as an issue. Particularly when most of the apps in question are free
 
How can I take this seriously when it stars Landfill and a guy who's best pickup move is the naked man. Well it does work every 2 out of 3 times.
 
No?

It's because if you make an attack ad, you should aim towards the market leader, not the second place. :rolleyes:

Just like Apple used to have attack ads on Windows PC and not Linux.


Arguably Android is a market leader in some statistics, recently just beating out total OS in the Tablet market (iPad slipped below 50% 2 months ago)
Granted MS did mention Androids in one rather famous ad.
 
Apple should respond with a exact same ad but extend it so Microsoft guy runs out of battery and Apple guy signs up more players :D

And follow up with an ad about how much user space there is on each. Plain install, no apps. Just say turning it on and taking photos of equal quality. On a deserted island so you can't run and get an SD card for your other tablet.
 
Multitasking, great. But enjoy those 6 apps on the Windows store...all those lovely apps to multitask with.
 
Poor example, that's not a task you would likely do on a tablet even if it could.

That is the big difference here. Apple isn't looking at tablets as computer killers for all audiences. Yes for those that only need something that can email, browse the web, play video. But for the rest that need a computer for programming, editing a major feature film etc, get a computer. MS on the other hand is trying to be a tablet for those that don't need a computer AND a hard core computer in tablet form even if it makes little sense to use that form.

I know, I was just naming tasks in general that would benefit from side-by-side viewing. The iPad is fine without any side-by-side viewing, but I think it could help to have it in a few cases. MS has made a laptop with the name "tablet" on it, and I don't think they're turning back. They're probably going for people who think that more = better.

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Apple should respond with a exact same ad but extend it so Microsoft guy runs out of battery and Apple guy signs up more players :D

First make the Surface user run out of space saving the spreadsheet and say "WTF, I've only used 16GB on my 32GB tablet, what gives?"
 
I agree that the iPad needs to be able to display two apps at the same time...However this Windows 8 and RT crap needs to be exposed for the bloatware that it is. Show people who think they bought a 32 gig windows tablet and only have half the space they purchased left because of the bloated OS. They will need those slow performing SD cards just to be able to use the damn thing.

Lets not mention the whole annoying windows popups (windows updates, java updates, adobe acrobat updates, virus's, are you sure you want to do this messages etc..) are now on your tablet. That's the main reason I left my PC to go to an iPad to begin with. A few of these and I would have to throw a windows tablet across the room!!

Microsoft is truly lost across the entire product line. It gambled with Windows 8 being the all in one platform, and pissed off all the IT Enterprise Admins. The only reason people use windows at all is because they use it at work. If its successful at work, then you buy tablets, and phones. The Xbox one is disaster, and Office 365 is also a loser.

Windows 8 claims to sold 100 million copies is false. They count the software assurance licenses by large organization as a sale, and the OEM's too. Most large organizations will not upgrade due to retraining of all their staff, and will not purchase touchscreen monitors to replace the perfectly good ones. Can anybody tell me what Windows 8 offers to the average user, that Windows 7 can't do?

Don't get me wrong...I like Windows it creates a lot of jobs including mine, and as a 25+ years as an IT specialist. I cant wait to go home and use Apple products because I don't have to work on the annoying windows crap when I get home.
 
However, this all started with a major limitation of iOS. It's actually about the lack of flash. The reason why Apple has to have apps is you can't really do much with Safari on iOS.

Can't HTML5 do what Flash can do anyway? It's not 2006. You don't see Google making all of their web stuff Flash-based. I actually only play Bloons Tower Defense on my iPhone because the Flash version lags on any computer I try it on, especially capable Macs. It's almost as if Steve Jobs wanted to boot Flash because their Mac support was always terrible XD
 
As I understand, multitasking will be improved in iOS 7. Multiple apps will be able to run simultaneously (different apps, not just the "services" offered by Apple as is the case now).

You understand wrongly. iOS 7 is not adding that, only an improved multitasking switcher; multitasking is already in iOS (as of version 4) with certain rules as to what kinds of apps can do what in the background, and iOS 7 is not changing any of those rules. A good example is Pandora running music while you're using another app.
 
They must have known right from the beginning that sub-par hardware won't sell. They made a cardinal mistake by not going for a high-res screen right in the first gen.

I doubt that even better hardware would have helped that much. Just look at the HP Touch and Blackberry Playbook. Both were pretty good hardware at the time they were released.
 
Can't HTML5 do what Flash can do anyway? It's not 2006. You don't see Google making all of their web stuff Flash-based. I actually only play Bloons Tower Defense on my iPhone because the Flash version lags on any computer I try it on, especially capable Macs. It's almost as if Steve Jobs wanted to boot Flash because their Mac support was always terrible XD

HTML5 can't do everything flash can.

That's why you see a lot of quick and easy flash games.
 
How many Mac guy vs. PC guy ads did apple make?

To be fair, things were pretty bad for Apple back then.

I like the ad. I think it does a good job pointing out a major flaw in the iPad. There is not reason an iPad shouldn't be able to run two apps side-by-side, especially for a function such as this.
 
Note how the Windows user is much taller. Dark blue for him, faded colors for the Apple user. A little red for the Windows user that draws the eye. Deeper voice for the Windows user.

Could this BS be any more obvious? LOL!
 
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