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Not to mention I'm pretty sure you switch from Facetime and the audio keeps going just fine (as long as you arent trying to play or record audio) which would make the ad false advertising

actually in the ad you can hear the FaceTime recipient say "I can hear you but the video stopped. What's happening?" so that covers their bases there. oh!!
 
I know Windows 8 isn't selling many tablets, but honestly this kind of functionality is really cool and would aid in productivity. This is the kind of innovation I'd like to see at Apple, but all we get is iOS 7 and a Hello Kitty UI makeover that does nothing to change the basic way the system works.

I am very discouraged by what I see coming out of Apple, which is basically nothing. I'm a long time Apple owner, investor and fan. I've hung in more than a year now to see where the management team is going, dismissing all the nay sayers and knowing that there must be a plan! Unfortunately, the innovation today is coming from Microsoft, Google, Tesla, Solar City and almost everywhere but Apple. I'm not saying this to be negative, and no doubt I'll be attacked for expressing this opinion, but I just don't see anything that Apple can do at this point to wow anyone. WWDC was their big chance to stem a year of declining stock value by giving us something new. All we got were some pretty new icons and a tubular Mac Pro (which is amazing, but hardly a driver for Apple).

Apple no longer has a visionary, and without a visionary you can't really have a vision for the future. Jobs owned that role in the past, who owns it today? Does Tim Cook strike all of you as a visionary? or Phil Schiller? or Eddie Cue? or even Sir Jonathan Ive? They are doing a great job managing what they have and making incremental improvements, but that is going to shrink and not grow the company.

Now there is talk of Apple slashing its iPhone sales forecasts as part of a general industry downturn that's affecting everyone, including Samsung. I don't blame Apple for this, but I just don't think the team at the top has what it takes to turn this around. I'm not writing this to sound whiny or to complain, I just want so much for Apple to prove everyone wrong. I keep looking for signs, but all I see is negative.
 
Arguably Android is a market leader in some statistics, recently just beating out total OS in the Tablet market (iPad slipped below 50% 2 months ago)
Granted MS did mention Androids in one rather famous ad.

We're talking about the North American market here. Not only is the marketshare is larger for the iPad but the majority prefer the iPad over any other tablets.
 
Note the expression "in this regard" in my original sentence ("WinRT (and, soon, Android) is definitely superior to the pretty much stalling iOS in this regard.")...


I, as a power user, am not really interested in how an OS looks like, what color the icons are. The base OS stayed the same - with different GUI components and stock icons.

OK, still don't really understand what aspect of WinRT and Android is superior unless you are referring to multitasking, and on that I would agree.

But the crux of your complaint is really buried at the end of your response with you stating you view yourself as a "power user." Anyone who see's him or herself this way is absolutely going to be dissatisfied with iOS.

However, just because Apple targets the 75% of consumers who just want maximum simplicity for iOS and iDevices, and designs accordingly, doesn't lessen iOS's potency. iOS, Android (Jellybean), and WinRT/8 all have their strong and weak points and all are desirable to a certain demographic with some spill over to others.

I disagree that iOS7 is mostly a wallpaper change, but the graphic changes are welcome.
 
1) HD content on a tablet? You'll hit the max quality pretty quickly. We're talking about media for portable devices, not your home cinema.
2) You seem to think that the only solution is more onboard storage. It's as though faster, cheaper, and more reliable wireless infrastructure was impossible.
3) Nobody is arguing that apps should be stored in the cloud.
4) Not every product is going to meet every niche case. For most, massive amounts of on-board storage has already gone the way of the dodo.

I was using HD content as an extreme example and it was followed by the undeniably valid usage of app data that you chose to ignore but your completely untrue assumption that "for most" etc... is nonsense. It's a juggling act on any portable device and back to the whole "cloud" thing. The only reason wireless is even mentioned is so you can access what you can't fit on a device wirelessly via some kind of "cloud" storage and being portable means you're not always near a WiFi hotspot or even in range of a cellular signal. It's portable afterall. That means EVERYWHERE, not just the sprawl of a city with free WiFi everywhere!
 
why doesn't apple sue them for tarnishing their company's image.:rolleyes:

Lolz... what could they come up with? "Multiwindow multitasking is absolutely useless, while manual task switching-based one is by far the best?" They would instantly become the laughing stock of the entire IT industry...
 
Ehhh no, what do you think is going to happen, if you use one of the undocumented IOS api's? And would like to see how you're going to use a c/c++ library, that is OS specific, on an apple IOS device... Cause libraries that calls DirectX just works on apple, right?

Obviously you're not a dev. You don't use it. Many C or C++ libraries are filled with ifdefs that allow the library to compile for different OSes. Some may even have OpenGL calls for Mac OS/Linux and DirectX calls for OS X (although 99% of libraries have no use for either technology, so the point is moot). Obviously the library has to have support for OS X or it probably won't compile. I thought this was obvious enough that I didn't have to mention it... Also, I never said that using an undocumented API was a good idea. If you were a dev, you would have known that I couldn't possibly have meant that.
 
microsoft is making great anti-ipad ads, it's always good to have a tough competition.

This ad is not going to help make Microsoft competitive. The casual consumers that make up the overwhelming bulk of the market rarely if ever even have multiple programs up on their home computers. Meanwhile power users are likely already at least somewhat familiar with Windows 8 and RT.
 
WHAT THE FUNK I CAN'T SEE YOU. THIS RUINS EVERYTHING!

Calm down, guy

Unless it's a woman, and she's taking her clothes off, I don't particularly want to see the person I'm talking to on the phone. If it is a woman who is taking her clothes off, I don't want to do anything else on my device that might distract me.
 
Bit of a BS example since any scout would look up that info and know it before even deciding to make the call.

Not to mention I'm pretty sure you switch from Facetime and the audio keeps going just fine (as long as you arent trying to play or record audio) which would make the ad false advertising

Plus, why would the (presumably) amateur pitcher have an agent already? Doesn't he have to go through the draft? And how is talking to the agent going to help if he's going to be drafted? And why does it matter who talks to the pitcher first if you can just make a better offer later?
Whoever made this ad MAY understand tablets, but they sure don't understand professional baseball.

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Did anyone else notice that the Apple guy is The Naked Man from How I Met Your Mother? haha

Took me a while to recognize him with his clothes on... NAKED MAN!
 
For some people, it's all about a checklist. If device A does more than device B, device A will always be better no matter what. Always. Apple devices will never be catered to these people, and the sooner they realize this the happier they will be.

I see this as a massive excuse, yeah windows tablet users are just feature whores, that doesn't sound very rational, especially when the features in question are very valuable to consumers. I think at the end of the day a windows tablet can do ANYTHING an ipad can do, and much much more than that. For me the make or break point was that I could have so much more functionality with the same weight, size, form factor, battery life, and in many cases cheaper price as an ipad. Functionality I use every single day.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge consumers who don't need more than the ipad, I agree there are obviously tons and tons of consumers who only want to consume content. I just personally don't see why they would limit themselves to an OS as limiting as iOS. iOS was not Apple's attempt at simplicity IMO, it was a product of technological limits, of producing an OS which would run on what was weak hardware at the time, an OS that wouldn't chew up much battery, etc etc. Those times have changed and now we have the capability to have a FULL OS on a tablet, but Apple has not kept up with the times. Once again I do NOT blame them, they make a ton of money without having to change their formula much and why introduce costs to change your formula if you don't have to?

I just think it's kind of disingenuous to say Apple caters to simple people by making a simple OS, when a windows tablet can be just as "simple" as iOS if the user used it that way. If you get more features and functionality for your buck then that's a good thing, not a bad thing as some make it out to be.

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Note how the Windows user is much taller. Dark blue for him, faded colors for the Apple user. A little red for the Windows user that draws the eye. Deeper voice for the Windows user.

Could this BS be any more obvious? LOL!

It's called marketing, welcome to the last 200 years.

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I find this the more I travel. Era of the internet but you either pay prohibitive roaming charges or your left without the Dam cloud. There is also the question of trusting the cloud services...

I wish people would stop calling it cloud...its a dam drive thats not yours and is somewhere else...Load of Hype!

Yep, or you don't even have "cloud" data if you don't get cellular or wifi service. Certainly local hard drive space, as well as memory cards and USB slots to connect external hard drives are still extremely relevant and important today, in some ways MORE so since the era of unlimited data has come and gone.
 
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Microsoft has launched a fourth anti-iPad television advertisement, once again highlighting the iPad's inability to run multiple apps at the same time.

In the ad two baseball scouts using an iPad and a Windows 8 tablet vie to sign same player, with the Windows 8 user coming out on top thanks to the tablet's ability to simultaneously display two apps on the screen.

YouTube: video
The spot is part of a series that is dedicated to underlining the iPad's flaws in comparison to various Windows 8 devices. Other ads have focused on the iPad's high price, its lack of built-in productivity apps, and its non-expandable storage. Microsoft has also launched a website comparing the iPad to a Windows 8 tablet, which turned out to be inaccurate.

Article Link: Microsoft Releases Fourth Anti-iPad Ad Highlighting Windows 8 Multitasking Capabilities

Well with windows you need the multitasking-capabilities cause you will be deleting all the viruses, spyware, trojans, malware daily..
 
Note how the Windows user is much taller. Dark blue for him, faded colors for the Apple user. A little red for the Windows user that draws the eye. Deeper voice for the Windows user.

Could this BS be any more obvious? LOL!

What else do you expect from an ad aiming to boost your product? How is that BS when all ads do this? Even Apple on the Mac vs PC ads.
 
Live and learn!

Cloud just comes from networking diagrams that us IT nerds use.

Anything that is out of scope of your project (i.e., don't know or care what is there - it is provided and managed by someone else) is drawn as a cloud.

Did not know that, thank you for explaining it (the original meaning) to me. :)

Its just that somehow the "cloud" has been hyperbole(d) into oblivion like its going to save mankind. You would probably not be amazed by this but im sure that 80% of people think its some metaphysical thing or data thats kept in flux!!!
 
Well with windows you need the multitasking-capabilities cause you will be deleting all the viruses, spyware, trojans, malware daily..

Windows 8 is safe from most viruses when using Metro so you're wrong.
 
LOL WUT? this is showing skype... skype is their own application... showing that they did a ***** job on their own application for another platform isn't exactly looking good on them if you know what you're looking at in this commercial...

Would you be able to multitask if Skype was an Apple application?
 
We're talking about the North American market here. Not only is the marketshare is larger for the iPad but the majority prefer the iPad over any other tablets.

I thought the stat was for aMeriCan market?

Then again, many buy Andorids because they don't like Apple for one reason or another. That would be a much easier target to sway then iOS.
 
If you really think about it, the human eye can only view one thing at a time. Can you read two books at the same time? Can you read two emails at the same time? Can you type two different documents at the same time? Can you play two different videogames at the same time?

This whole idea of multitasking is overrated, IMO. Trying to get a gadget to do something you can't even do as human makes no sense.

Multitasking isn't actually multitasking. It's using multiple programs to help you achieve whatever one task you're working on more easily.

Like if I'm doing something that requires me to work in three programs, the current windowing system on desktops allows me easy, quick access to all three. For example, I'm writing something in Word or Pages that requires a little internet research, and I'm also drawing diagrams for this paper. I can have Chrome or Safari docked on the left of my screen, Word docked to the right, and can jump between the two with barely any effort at all. It's immediate and intuitive. There isn't an interrupt there there is on the iPad. Both are right in front of me. And Photoshop, which is what I might be using to draw my pictures, is behind both of them, easily accessed from the ever visible task bar on the bottom of the screen or through a quick wrist snap with Expose.

This is multitasking. I'm not doing three entirely different jobs. I'm doing one job that requires multiple programs. The iPad is currently a little weak at this. It can do it, but it's much more cumbersome and slow in comparison to the way I could do it in Windows or OSX. The way Metro does it on tablets is a slight improvement over iOS because it at least allows me immediate access between two programs (like IE and Word) without any jumping around on pulling up hidden docks or menus. All I have to do is make a quick finger swipe on the little border between the two to expand the one I want to focus on.

So yeah, multitasking is important, necessary, and done all the time by many people. And iOS could use some big improvements on this front. What we're seeing in iOS7 is a great improvement to what we have now, but it could still be expanded upon a little more in my opinion.
 
When companies spend most of their time telling you why the competition is inferior instead of why their own product is superior, the vultures are already circling.
 
I thought the stat was for aMeriCan market?

Then again, many buy Andorids because they don't like Apple for one reason or another. That would be a much easier target to sway then iOS.

My bad, you are right, Android did surpass iOS.

Either way, still makes sense to attack what people consider the best.
 
Note how the Windows user is much taller. Dark blue for him, faded colors for the Apple user. A little red for the Windows user that draws the eye. Deeper voice for the Windows user.

Could this BS be any more obvious? LOL!

Hey, you've gotta be flashy when you're the mythical Windows tablet user. I think the iPad guy in the ad is just crazy and is seeing hallucinations.

Seriously though, I've never seen anyone with one of those. The one hardcore Microsoft fan I know has a Nexus.
 
The kid will still probably sign with the guy with the iPad after hes done talking to the dorky Windows tablet guy.

Kids that age have good taste.
 
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