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It doesn't even have tasks in it yet. It's not fully functional unfortunately. Agree that the search works well. My 14 year PST file is around 100gb and it works really well.

Still chasing Tasks though...
There is a "To Do" button next to the mail, calendar, etc buttons, seemingly it's something they're working on integrating into the Outlook client. Clicking the button launches the web app in a browser.
 
Pretty sure "universal binary" means it runs natively? I'm on the previous version of excel (16.56) and it shows as a universal binary?
Universal binary means that it contains executable code for both x86 and Apple Silicon. If it was on an Intel Mac, it would run native machine code appropriate for x86 architecture. if it was Apple Silicon, it would run the AS version. Rosetta wouldn't be needed.

Only time Rosetta would be used is when an x86 binary is on Apple Silicon.
 
There is a "To Do" button next to the mail, calendar, etc buttons, seemingly it's something they're working on integrating into the Outlook client. Clicking the button launches the web app in a browser.
I know, it is not in the app though and the app is incomplete so far.
 
Universal binary means that it contains executable code for both x86 and Apple Silicon. If it was on an Intel Mac, it would run native machine code appropriate for x86 architecture. if it was Apple Silicon, it would run the AS version. Rosetta wouldn't be needed.

Only time Rosetta would be used is when an x86 binary is on Apple Silicon.

Yeah that's kinda my point. The release notes saying they've finally got a native apple silicon version of excel are for the version AFTER the version I'm running. Which is a universal binary.
 
Now imagine you have spreadsheet with 10.000 rows and 3.000 columns. Are you still going to use Excel?
How in the world are going to apply some maths/statistics on such a large dataset in Excel?
You aren't making a good argument. Your first post was how R is better than Excel. R is better at excel for SOME things like maybe what you cite.

R is not better than Excel for a large swath of Excel use cases. For one thing, Excel has a significantly less steep learning curve up front.
 
Excel is great for the crappy little data munging things I do as a sysadmin.

Like... maintaining lists IP addresses/subnets, creating DNS names for hosts programmatically, creating command lines programmatically, etc.
 
If they do drop Rosetta support in 3 years I'll be sticking with "MacOS Mountain Santa Cruz" or whatever it is called by then to keep running all the new games I just bought. Macs have next to no decent current games not running under Rosetta and a lot of them are old so unlikely to get ARM/AS ports.

I didn't buy this new machine for games, but if apple kill off old working software the same way they killed off 32-bit, then I'm gonna stop upgrading to the new OS every year. Sure, it'll go sooner or later, but I'm not ditching perfectly good software just for the latest small OS bells and whistles after only 3 years.
 
They REALLY need to get teams native or at least get the web app parity with windows desktop app (so it can run in a chrome / edge app). Business use with the existing teams is an absolute nightmare.
 
Thank you! (Now I think I remember that but had totally forgotten.) So all my Microsoft apps are Silicon except the 1974-looking disaster that is Teams.
Give the edge app version a try. It’s not exactly like windows but if you need chat and basic video it is a lot faster. Unfortunately, my company want beauty filters and whatnot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
The disastrous update of OneDrive is to be implemented for all users of macOS 12.2 and later. Good luck.


Read through the article, didn't see anything drastic; what's the disaster?

OneDrive right now is a piece of garbage, sounds like its getting some much needed features?
 
Read through the article, didn't see anything drastic; what's the disaster?

OneDrive right now is a piece of garbage, sounds like its getting some much needed features?
Read the comments in this forum or on the Microsoft website.

 
Read the comments in this forum or on the Microsoft website.


As someone who uses OneDrive to sync stuff between about 10 different machines, I still haven't seen any deal breaker yet. At least for the way I use it, and what I believe is the way it is intended to be used.

Yes, its a crap product on the Mac, but its always been a crap product. Mostly due to responsiveness, performance, etc.

But, so long as OneDrive is the authoritative source and I can retrieve things from there as required, it works for me.

Disclaimer: I don't use it for personal stuff, enterprise 365 tenant (work) only.


It may not work the way some want to work, but the future is cloud first; I think those taking issue with it are considering their machine as the definitive source or root source of their data.

For me, its just an endpoint.

All my stuff lives in iCloud, 365 or my NAS (or work file server). My Mac, iPhone, Windows PC/VM or iPad are just semi-disposable endpoints/caches that may access or contribute to that data when required. If one of them breaks I just log in somewhere else and carry on.

This is the way MS and others are architecting this stuff. If you work that way its probably less hassle.

I understand some don't like it, but if you're using these cloud sync products thinking that your machine is the primary source you're probably fitting square pegs in round holes, etc.
 
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As someone who uses OneDrive to sync stuff between about 10 different machines, I still haven't seen any deal breaker yet. At least for the way I use it, and what I believe is the way it is intended to be used.

Yes, its a crap product on the Mac, but its always been a crap product. Mostly due to responsiveness, performance, etc.

But, so long as OneDrive is the authoritative source and I can retrieve things from there as required, it works for me.

Disclaimer: I don't use it for personal stuff, enterprise 365 tenant (work) only.


It may not work the way some want to work, but the future is cloud first; I think those taking issue with it are considering their machine as the definitive source or root source of their data.

For me, its just an endpoint.

All my stuff lives in iCloud, 365 or my NAS (or work file server). My Mac, iPhone, Windows PC/VM or iPad are just semi-disposable endpoints/caches that may access or contribute to that data when required. If one of them breaks I just log in somewhere else and carry on.

This is the way MS and others are architecting this stuff. If you work that way its probably less hassle.

I understand some don't like it, but if you're using these cloud sync products thinking that your machine is the primary source you're probably fitting square pegs in round holes, etc.
I don’t know if you have read all comments but the issues we pointed out are beyond simply a ‘cloud storage’.
 
The issue I had with the Apple native version of One Drive was that the One Drive folder was no longer searchable (there is a huge thread on this forum about it). However, people are reporting that in the current preview release, this has been fixed. I haven't tried it yet!
 
I just downloaded Microsoft Office Home and Business from Stack Social for $50 - seemed like such a good deal I just bought it. Then I thought, wait, should have looked at the App Store. However, on the App Store all I see is a lot of different in app purchase options that are considerably more than $50. I found the link on Lifehacker.com. Sale lasts a few more days. Just really wanted Word and Excel and still is a good price.
 
I'm running Office 2019 and I updated to 16.57. Its a bit strange that office 2019 and office 2021 have the same version number. The article mentions "The latest update applies to Office 365, Office 2019 for Mac, Office LTSC 2021 for Mac, and Office 2021 for Mac". Even though office 2019 and 2021 Excel version are both numbered 16.57, are they actually different products with different features? If so, it seems strange that different version of excel from diferent suites have the same version number. Usually a newer version of office such as office 2021 would have a higher version number.
 
I'm running Office 2019 and I updated to 16.57. Its a bit strange that office 2019 and office 2021 have the same version number. The article mentions "The latest update applies to Office 365, Office 2019 for Mac, Office LTSC 2021 for Mac, and Office 2021 for Mac". Even though office 2019 and 2021 Excel version are both numbered 16.57, are they actually different products with different features? If so, it seems strange that different version of excel from diferent suites have the same version number. Usually a newer version of office such as office 2021 would have a higher version number.
Office 2019/2021/365 all use the same actual apps. The different features are exposed by the licensing. At some point Microsoft will end support for 2019 and those apps will no longer update unless a newer license is installed.
 
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For anybody that has to use MS Teams I feel your pain. I tried the app, the web version in Safari etc... all pretty rubbish.

The best solution I've found is using WebCatalog Classic to create a web-based app (at least I think that's what it does). Runs surprisingly well (on a new base-model MacBook Pro 14") and has all the bells and whistles. Much better than the actual MS Teams app
 
Now imagine you have spreadsheet with 10.000 rows and 3.000 columns. Are you still going to use Excel?
How in the world are going to apply some maths/statistics on such a large dataset in Excel?
I am not sure about the latest versions, but older Excel versions throw up an error telling you that the data will be truncated… ????
 
For my use, there are 3 apps that I use in MS Office that keep me hanging on to that vs other options. First, Outlook...it’s just less painful syncing of work email, contacts, and calendar to all my devices. Excel because of its wide range of usability, from easy to pretty complex tasks, so that work can be shared with others of different levels of skill. I’ve had some large sheets in Excel but nothing like 3000 x 10,000. OneDrive for keeping work stuff where I can work on it wherever. There are other options for all of these, but for the price and user experience, they are just hard to beat. The other office apps aren’t clearly better to me than alternatives, I use them only because they are with the suite.

My first piece of bought software that I used on a PC was Lotus 1-2-3, later added dBase. Those 2 programs, along with WordPerfect, changed everything for me. MS Office just won me over, along with the masses, with its more refined user experience. it’s not perfect, but all-around great product. Glad they are getting it all Mn native. But, then I’ve never used Teams…so I curse less than some ?
 
Does anyone have a copy of "Microsoft Office Home & Business for Mac 2021" to confirm that this update works with that version. This article lists 4 different versions it works with and specifically two different versions of MS Office for Mac 2021: Office LTSC 2021 for Mac and Office 2021 for Mac. I don't know what "LTSC" stands for, but I do see options for buy Student & Teacher versions of Office 2021 for Mac along with the one I'm considering buying which is the Home & Business version.
 
For my use, there are 3 apps that I use in MS Office that keep me hanging on to that vs other options. First, Outlook...it’s just less painful syncing of work email, contacts, and calendar to all my devices. Excel because of its wide range of usability, from easy to pretty complex tasks, so that work can be shared with others of different levels of skill. I’ve had some large sheets in Excel but nothing like 3000 x 10,000. OneDrive for keeping work stuff where I can work on it wherever. There are other options for all of these, but for the price and user experience, they are just hard to beat. The other office apps aren’t clearly better to me than alternatives, I use them only because they are with the suite.

My first piece of bought software that I used on a PC was Lotus 1-2-3, later added dBase. Those 2 programs, along with WordPerfect, changed everything for me. MS Office just won me over, along with the masses, with its more refined user experience. it’s not perfect, but all-around great product. Glad they are getting it all Mn native. But, then I’ve never used Teams…so I curse less than some ?
What issues did you have with the actual app or using chrome web app? Both work great. I prefer the native app although it’s slightly slower. But I can’t really make any major complaints.
 
What issues did you have with the actual app or using chrome web app? Both work great. I prefer the native app although it’s slightly slower. But I can’t really make any major complaints.
No problems with any of the MS Office apps. Outlook is ungodly slow nowadays, taking a full minute to open, but that may be because of security issues at work with email...or not. But otherwise, I haven’t had issues with any of them. OneDrive has come a long way since it was GrooveDrive or whatever it was called back long ago.
 
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