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Microsoft Releases Second 'Laptop Hunters' Commercial
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You'll find an important clue if you check out some keynotes (you'll find them on Youtube) from around the time that Apple introduced the iMac. Steve rambles passionately about their conviction that consumer machines should be all-in-ones -- And. Nothing. Else. And that was back when the iMac was still kind of an experiment. Now that they've successfully peddled several generations of iMacs for many years, they're bound to be 10 times more adamant that they'll never do a consumer desktop again.
It's the business machines, Precision and Latitude. These come with 3Y warranty and on-site NBD repairs. Inspiron and Dimension = consumer machines.
Well, it's Toyota. They're #1 in reliability. Much of it has to do with how they're organized, they have this direct feedback system from all their resellers and garages around the world, back to the factory. Their quality control is a massive, global, 24/7 thing, they don't just drive it around the track a few times and go "yah, this seems to hold together".
And that invalidates the "it doesn't have better specs" argument how?
It doesn't if you have very low standards and don't expect the $599 model to sell very well.
I know the feeling. I used to think Applecare was a waste of money. My beige Macs and the G3 PowerMac didn't ever have a problem. The iBook has gone in four times for motherboard replacements (I would have been screwed if not for the class action lawsuit and subsequent free repair program) and the iMac just back from an optical drive and display transplant. To say they don't make components like they used to is putting it mildly.
I agree. Yet German automobiles are regularly trounced in the reliability department by their cheaper Japanese rivals.
Looks like automobile analogies fall apart in multiple ways.
Well then its a personal choice, does not matter what is out there you will go Apple. But back to the ad, users out there that are picky and want power can get alot more from a PC system. Sadly the apple choice is, notebooks, or large displays with Laptop components. You do not get a real video card will you go Mac Pro, the rest is mobile versions. You should not have to go Mac pro to get a real desktop computer. The base Mac pro is a rip off.
My notebooks are Apple, I have a new mini, but for my grunt computer I am running an i7 PC that I build. The Imacs were just too underpowered and mac pros a rip off. I can relate to these ads.
Yes, but what about the other 90% of the viewing public?
These ads will be very effective in the market segment where 'a computer is a computer, just tell me how much it costs,' which, sadly, is the majority of the general public. To a casual computer user, the difference between a Mac and a PC is largely abstract, whereas, the cost savings portrayed here are very tangible.
These ads seek to redefine the cult of the mac so that our position is no longer "we mac users are willing to pay more for a more reliable, more aesthetic, less troublesome platform." Instead, these ads seek to distort our position so that it's become in the eyes of their viewer, "we're mac people and we're willing to spend more just so that we can feel cool when there's really no difference in our computer and what you can get for less."
Unfortunately, you are dead on with your analysis. It's a shame that we don't live in an ideal world where people can "test drive" a laptop for say, a month, before purchasing... because you don't really understand the value you're getting with a mac until you use it for a while and "get" why it's so much more efficient, easier to use, etc. I mean, I was guilty of the whole mac-bashing thing until my first mac... wherein I basically got a 15" "lampshade" iMac for free (one of our offices closed and they let the employees have "first dibs"). I figured I'd use it as a web server or just extra networked storage until I used it and went from there.
Long story short, yeah, it's sad that the majority of consumers will buy a computer based on price (probably thinking that a computer is a computer), and it sucks that Microsoft has decided to exploit this fact in this economy. *sigh* But, on the flipside, word of mouth will always be stronger than commercial advertising. If I had a dollar for everyone I've converted to Macs, well... you get the picture
But this is the real world with lots of coupon/deal sites. You forgot the Dell 25% off coupons that seem to come up every month. My i7 920, 750g HD, 4870 (1024MB), 6g DDR3 1066MHz ram, bluray player, CD/DVDburner, 2408 ultrasharp monitor (with 3 year replacement), and 3 year warranty + an additional year with AmEx was was less than $2400 landed (including tax and shipping). If I subtract out my AmEx rewards pts I also used it brings it down to less than $2000. Apple doesn't discount much (a little bit with the ed discount) and doesn't allow me to use AmEx for gift cards. At the time of my purchase a month ago those Dell One systems were part of the 25% off deals. Also the Dell Studio XPS i7 systems are even cheaper than my Dell Studio XPS 435.
A little research can save you quite a bit of money, but that's your choice.
To be fair, it's the same with any of them. I've dealt with a Dell and HP warranty repair already today, both at the 2 year mark, and both serious issues requiring a motherboard replacement.
Lenovo Thinkpads generally come with 3yr, and the only time I've used it on them in 3 years has been a keyboard replacement and a hard drive.
Granted, these are personal anecdotes, not scientific fact.
AND.................. this isnt related to the above but still, you cant do this with a mac
Who cares that it's not faster. You said a video card couldn't cost 2300$. I pointed out the fact that you were wrong.
true but the original post that i was replying too was iMac/Laptop related, you cannot get that card in iMac form. nor can you get that in Laptop form.
If you don't like Apple's products, what would you be doing on an Apple site?
If you don't read the entire post, what would you be doing replying to it?
All macbook pro 17" now come with 1920x1200. The imac 17 only exists as an education institution purchasable machine.. it is meant to be dirt cheap.
That resolution on that laptop is crap. Now wonder it is so cheap.
Indeed. I didn't post the actual price I paid for the iMac I ordered. I went with the "sticker price" on both machines, just to make it an even comparison.
Oh the cable mess, my poor eyes! Apple would never allow it
Probably folds more in a second than I have in 4 years. Will this be in the next ad, you reckon?
Scheduled for delivery on 4/16. There's been delays supposedly because of demand, but who really knows.
The consensus at the Dell forums among those who have received them is that they are very fast, quiet, and easily upgradeable. And the cases are large and heavy.
Since this is MacRumors, I really like my 12" Powerbook G4 attached to a Dell 2209WA (great eIPS monitor, search slickdeals for cheap pricing/info).
I wasn't aware there were 25% off coupons I could use at Apple. Point me in the right direction or show me an old link to a new system that can be had for 25% off. Maybe you can get me to cancel my i7 order and go with a Mac.
I wasn't aware there were 25% off coupons I could use at Apple. Point me in the right direction or show me an old link to a new system that can be had for 25% off. Maybe you can get me to cancel my i7 order and go with a Mac.
Refurb. No coupons required. Then using ebates you can get 1% cash back. Then there are the options to purchase from third-parties without tax and rebates and all kinds of things.