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Microsoft Releases Second 'Laptop Hunters' Commercial

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BenRoethig said:
Dell includes a 3-year warranty as standard with these systems. Apple charges an additional $249 for a 3-year warranty.
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You can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a cow's a** but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word for it?
 
koa said:
The consensus at the Dell forums among those who have received them is that they are very fast, quiet, and easily upgradeable. And the cases are large and heavy.
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Now there's a word you don't hear often enough in reviews. Quiet. Unfortunately it's very subjective. To gamers, a blowdryer is quiet. A few years ago, while waiting for my XPS700 to arrive I talked to some people on a Dell forum who had already received theirs. One said, "it makes a little noise when you start it up, but after that it's 100% silent. I have it sitting on my desk (this is one humungous behemoth, mind you), and I have to concentrate and listen carefully to even hear the fans".

A week later, mine arrived. I plugged it in and... FFHHHWWFFFWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSHHHH! Where am I? On a runway? That would explain why I'm hearing a 767 revving up before takeoff. Once fan control kicked in, it settled down a little, but the noise was still bloody annoying. Not loud per se, but the two big 120 mm fans and at least 3 more further inside -- with the assistance of the two hard disks -- sent vibrations through the rigid aluminium housing that could be felt through the wooden floor. The big fans kept going in and out of sync with eachother, creating this nauseating infrasonic hum that drove me nuts.

Since then I make sure to ask at least a dozen people about the noise level before I buy a computer.
 
brop52 said:
Refurb. No coupons required. Then using ebates you can get 1% cash back. Then there are the options to purchase from third-parties without tax and rebates and all kinds of things.
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I assumed we were talking about new, Dell also has refurb with 20%+ off of cheap pricing. Guys on Craigslist in my area have discounted new Macbook Pros cheaper than the Apple store, but I have to call and leave my phone number to get a call back to talk about it.

Again if you have info for 25% off from third parties for current systems be a bit more specific.
 
I have been a PC user for since 1990 and I am a IT professional. I don't work on PCs, Macs, or servers for my job.

Anyhow my work gave us a loaner Imac to demo and use for our job. It did everything we needed it to do, it came with a native SSH client unlike a PC where you have to download putty or Secure CRT. For a business environment it was a much more stable platform then our Dell workstations.

The other fact that I liked about the Mac was it came with Ilife 08. Which I thought was one of the best included software suites I have seen on a system.

Since then I aquired a a Mac Pro, an Imac for my wife, a Mac Book, and another Imac for my sons grandmother. We now do weekly video chats with my son and his grandmother. We send photo updates from our Ilife to our Facebook account.

Since I bought my mother her Imac there has been not one tech support call about her computer running slow, viruses, or malware. Had I known what I known now I would have switched to Mac a long time ago (I still think that tangerine Mac was lame). I really enjoy using the Mac and not worrying about which security patch I need or what problem am I going to have.

I so far have converted 4 other PC people to use Macs. They take my advice because of the industry I am in. Once I have enough money to convert my inlaws to a Mac I will be doing that next.
 
devil1 said:
I have been a PC user for since 1990 and I am a IT professional. I don't work on PCs, Macs, or servers for my job.

Anyhow my work gave us a loaner Imac to demo and use for our job. It did everything we needed it to do, it came with a native SSH client unlike a PC where you have to download putty or Secure CRT. For a business environment it was a much more stable platform then our Dell workstations.

The other fact that I liked about the Mac was it came with Ilife 08. Which I thought was one of the best included software suites I have seen on a system.

Since then I aquired a a Mac Pro, an Imac for my wife, a Mac Book, and another Imac for my sons grandmother. We now do weekly video chats with my son and his grandmother. We send photo updates from our Ilife to our Facebook account.

Since I bought my mother her Imac there has been not one tech support call about her computer running slow, viruses, or malware. Had I known what I known now I would have switched to Mac a long time ago (I still think that tangerine Mac was lame). I really enjoy using the Mac and not worrying about which security patch I need or what problem am I going to have.

I so far have converted 4 other PC people to use Macs. They take my advice because of the industry I am in. Once I have enough money to convert my inlaws to a Mac I will be doing that next.
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Nice story, however I think you'll find personal anecdotes in favor of Macs irrelevant here at Macrumors.com. Only PC anecdotes are accepted, and in fact deemed as objective and factual. :D
 
koa said:
I assumed we were talking about new, Dell also has refurb with 20%+ off of cheap pricing. Guys on Craigslist in my area have discounted new Macbook Pros cheaper than the Apple store, but I have to call and leave my phone number to get a call back to talk about it.

Again if you have info for 25% off from third parties for current systems be a bit more specific.
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Refurbs include new models also. You just have to wait for a good deal.

As for specific places to purchase, Microcenter has $200 off the White MB, $150 off the MM, and $200 off the 20" iMac. Unfortunately that Mini rebate is on the old model.
 
Not to be a party pooper (hey, I've partied here too) but the last Microsoft ad thread that went totally OT and remained so throughout the last 20 or so pages, was closed. ;)
 
Like it or not Microsofts ads are showing the huge holes in Apple line up.

Apple's biggest problems is their lack of diversity and leaving huge gaping holes in what they offer.

Examples like no low end 17in monitor laptop,
No Consumer grade Tower.

To get some very basic things on either a laptop or a Desktop you have to pay a huge premium for all the crap you do not want/need aka the "Apple Tax"

Apple brought this attack on themselves and apple deserves every bit of it.
 
ilovefanboyz said:
Why do people keep saying the PC will break in 2 years?? The components are the same???
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I believe people who say that are more often than not referring to the cheap-o $400 laptops. It does hold true in many cases.

(even my dell inspiron 6000 is destroyed now, it cost $1200 brand new)

Of course your handling of the device plays into that, but in the case of my dell, it just had TERRIBLE hinges and they are split now, including the back of the display.

So its build quality, not really the components.
 
almostinsane said:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130468&intsrc=news_ts_head
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Yeah, and the first reply to that refutes the title, rendering it moot:

"Apple's main channel of support is from the Apple retail stores. As it becomes harder to make an appointment at an Apple store or the wait for support there is longer, more are choosing to go with third-party support."
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Meaning there are more people buying Macs, making it harder for the retail stores to keep up.
 
He gets a 16 inch 7 pound laptop but wants portibility?

Why? A MacBook is more portable and is just as good other than graphics. It was cheaper too. The screen is higher resolution so I do not understand why he would rather get the HP with lower specs other than graphics for more that is bigger and heaver than the MacBook. I also do not like the 16-17 inch laptops with the numeric keypad because the main section of the keyboard/trackpad is off center meaning you have to hold the laptop off center to type which means you do not look at the center of the screen you look at the left side. A 16 inch 7 lbs laptop is not very portable while a 15 inch 5 lbs is OK for travel.

I know that the off center keyboard trackpad is a problem because I am using a 17 inch PC with that right now.
 
dmmcintyre3 said:
I know that the off center keyboard trackpad is a problem because I am using a 17 inch PC with that right now.
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If there is one thing that bugs me more than anything else in terms of laptop design, its off center trackpads. I CANT STAND THEM.

Posted from an off center trackpad POS $450 toshiba laptop:(
 
NT1440 said:
If there is one thing that bugs me more than anything else in terms of laptop design, its off center trackpads. I CANT STAND THEM.

Posted from an off center trackpad POS $450 toshiba laptop:(
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Even though I will not buy a 17 inch laptop for me (The 17 inch PC is for someone who wants 1280*800 on 17 inch not 13 inch I would have 1920*1200 on 15 inch) I am glad Apple's 17 inch does not have a off center trackpad
 
dmmcintyre3 said:
Even though I will not buy a 17 inch laptop for me (The 17 inch PC is for someone who wants 1280*800 on 17 inch not 13 inch I would have 1920*1200 on 15 inch) I am glad Apple's 17 inch does not have a off center trackpad
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Amen, apple would never go with the off center trackpad.

I just feel awkward using one.
 
LagunaSol said:
No, it's unfortunate that Apple has a gaping hole in its product line where the low-end Power Macs used to reside. Apple desperately need a consumer-priced tower. I don't know why Apple continues to ignore this market. I miss the days of the $1,299 Power Mac.

As for building my own, I've been there and done that. After all the up-front research I do (Which mobo? Which RAM? Which video card? Which PS? Which fans? Which case?) I spend far more time on the thing to justify the money saved, to be quite honest. And then when all is said and done, I have a ghetto looking box that is always noisier than I had hoped, and I'm at the mercy of a dozen manufacturer's warranties. And ultimately, I'm stuck with Windows. And having used Windows 40+ hours a week for the past 15 years, there's no way in Hell I'm going to make Windows my primary OS for personal use.

The Hackintosh project sounds interesting, but I don't have the time or patience to deal with potential hardware conflicts.
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Are you the president or the pope? Is your time really THAT valuable? No time to spare to roll up your sleeves and learn?

There are some people on here who claim to have a ton of experience with building PCs, but they seem to not be very good at it at all. Complaining that it isn't worth your time is just ridiculous. It's better to know a ton about what you have, and that is why I do research about what I plan to put into my computer. Granted, I don't actually work (too young), but that doesn't matter. If a part fails for some reason, I will know exactly why, and I will know how to fix it myself without spending any money.

As for the ghetto looking box, I would recommend trying one of the other 300 cases on the market. :rolleyes:

I am not a PC fanboy. I know I sound like one. I am about to sell my stuff and buy a 17" UMBP.

I know I seem like the enemy, but I just think that some of these arguments for the Mac are a little ridiculous.

In any case, the ads are great. Just look at all these responses! The six months of flame war that is starting is going to generate TONS of interest for both sides. No publicity is bad publicity.
 
NT1440 said:
I believe people who say that are more often than not referring to the cheap-o $400 laptops. It does hold true in many cases.

(even my dell inspiron 6000 is destroyed now, it cost $1200 brand new)

Of course your handling of the device plays into that, but in the case of my dell, it just had TERRIBLE hinges and they are split now, including the back of the display.

So its build quality, not really the components.
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I had an Inspiron once and it was pretty bad (I believe it was an 8600). The plastic creaked, the keyboard was like a trampoline, nothing felt solid.

I later switched to a Precision and suddenly realized what the price difference was all about, it was a whole other dimension of Dell. Not Lenovo class but pretty close. I've tortured this machine for 3 years (no laptop deserves to be always on like some server) and there's still not a millimeter of 'play' in the hinges. The problem with catering to the bargain-basement crowd is that people extrapolate from those entry-level consumer machines that all your products are like that...
 
Anuba said:
I had an Inspiron once and it was pretty bad (I believe it was an 8600). The plastic creaked, the keyboard was like a trampoline, nothing felt solid.

I later switched to a Precision and suddenly realized what the price difference was all about, it was a whole other dimension of Dell. Not Lenovo class but pretty close. I've tortured this machine for 3 years (no laptop deserves to be always on like some server) and there's still not a millimeter of 'play' in the hinges. The problem with catering to the bargain-basement crowd is that people extrapolate from those entry-level consumer machines that all your products are like that...
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Wait are you saying that it isn't just raw specs that are behind's a computer's price ? Some people find that offensive!
 
NT1440 said:
If there is one thing that bugs me more than anything else in terms of laptop design, its off center trackpads. I CANT STAND THEM.

Posted from an off center trackpad POS $450 toshiba laptop:(
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Trackpads are nearly always centered to a line between the G and the H keys. These are often a little off center on PC notebooks because they have a wider return key than the one on MacBooks, and they end up way off center on 17" machines with a numerical keypad. I love symmetry as much as the next guy but you can't have the trackpad way to the right of the basic hand position ASDF-JKL;...

KnightWRX said:
Wait are you saying that it isn't just raw specs that are behind's a computer's price ? Some people find that offensive!
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Har-de-har -- the Precision machines are still way below Mac Pro and MacBook Pro in terms of price, in spite of including a 3 year warranty w/ on-site repairs. Nobody's denying that Macs are well built and worth the premium to a degree. But there's still light years between the Acuras they make and the Ferraris they think they make.
 
 
BenRoethig said:
Originally Posted by koa

Also the Dell Studio XPS i7 systems are even cheaper than my Dell Studio XPS 435.
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What's your opinion of the 435 so far?
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Note that the Core i7 Studio XPS is also called the "Studio XPS 435MT" and the "Studio XPS 435" is the larger tower version with the Core i7.

Oh no - now Dell is copying Apple and using ambiguous model names!
 
Anuba said:
I had an Inspiron once and it was pretty bad (I believe it was an 8600). The plastic creaked, the keyboard was like a trampoline, nothing felt solid.

I later switched to a Precision and suddenly realized what the price difference was all about, it was a whole other dimension of Dell. Not Lenovo class but pretty close. I've tortured this machine for 3 years (no laptop deserves to be always on like some server) and there's still not a millimeter of 'play' in the hinges. The problem with catering to the bargain-basement crowd is that people extrapolate from those entry-level consumer machines that all your products are like that...
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Thing was, that Dell cost my dad near $1200 brand new.....
 
NT1440 said:
Thing was, that Dell cost my dad near $1200 brand new.....
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I spent 2000 on this Inspiron 3 and a half years ago for my sister, they sure werent cheap:

inspiron6000.jpg
 
Panasonic, hmmmmm. had a problem with my plasma remote, that came with the plasama both covered by a 5 year in house warranty, parts and labor.
Some how parts and labor to have the remote replaced was $82.45 and would ship out 14 to 21 business days.

AidenShaw said:
Note that the Core i7 Studio XPS is also called the "Studio XPS 435MT" and the "Studio XPS 435" is the larger tower version with the Core i7.

Oh no - now Dell is copying Apple and using ambiguous model names!
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Dell has been doing that for years with the inspiron and the E series laptops andmini towers.
 
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