yeah but what about the Mac''s error message, all it does is tell me to reboot, (it was an endless cycle of reboots, could never get to the login screen for check the logs)
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Microsoft Remains on Offensive with 'Apple Tax' Report and Latest Laptop Ad
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yeah but what about the Mac''s error message, all it does is tell me to reboot, (it was an endless cycle of reboots, could never get to the login screen for check the logs)
How exactly is Vista not good for computing? Please do explain. I'm a software developer and Vista is much better than XP, actually better than any OS I've used for work.
On the word processing front, Office 07 destroys iWorks and OpenOffice. There's no comparison.
So what other computing are you talking about?
There are two things I keep hearing about PCs that make me wonder if they're specific to the U.S. (I live in Sweden), or if I've just been lucky.
First off, this "trialware" thing. I've bought 4 Dell machines in my day, and they shipped with nothing installed other than Windows and Dell's own hardware drivers. Secondly, the service/support. Dell has been great the few times I've had anything to do with them. I get the NBD on-site service thing... wherever you are, they come and repair machines no matter which form factor (Apple only repairs Mac Pro on-site, and only under certain conditions). My biggest fear with switching to Mac is having a machine break down two days before a deadline, because then I'm screwed due to AppleCare's crappy policy. With Dell I never get more than 24 hrs downtime. If Dell's support sucks in the U.S, fair enough -- I wouldn't know -- but over here, it's the other way around. Hopefully it's a local thing.
So... you want the ads to be more fake than they already are? I don't get it.
Right, but I don't see how that separates Mac from PC. When I'm on PC I jump between Dreamweaver, Photoshop and Flash, and sometimes a little bit of Fireworks. Then I move to Mac and use the exact same apps. No difference in terms of interaction, drag/drop between apps etc. When it comes to Adobe I actually trust the PC apps to be marginally better, Adobe have been kind of cold towards the Mac side of things ever since Apple launched Final Cut + Motion to compete with Premiere + After Effects (apps which Adobe discontinued for the Mac out of pure spite, but later revived). This 'feud' seems to be going on still... they made 64-bit versions for Vista but not for OS X, so a Mac user who wants max performance out of Photoshop will actually have to resort to using BootCamp.
Yeah, nVidias Vista drivers were useless in the beginning. Showed you the difference between ATI and nVidia... ATI's drivers were stable and optimized long before Vista was out, nVidia was struggling for a few months. Their stuff is kind of glitchy on Mac too. For every new Mac model with nVidia there are always one or two nVidia firmware updates to address weird glitches.
Can you elaborate? I have plenty of Optiplex GX260/280s from 2003 still running strong. What about the XPS T series that someone dropped off from their office running Windows 2000 that they finally got around to replacing?
Actually, yes.
So why does the logitech website list OSX support for it?
I'm not sure why you think an hdtv and set of speakers can't be hooked up to a mac.
And I'm really sorry, but I don't by into the "x-fi crystalizer!" hype.
It could be said that the stuff Qashqai and the other have might be somewhat useful, it still doesn't change the fact that overall quality, preceived quality, ride-quality, long-term value etc. are not as good as BMW's.
It's like Kia's that are sold in Finland. They have the longest warranties in the business (IIRC, 7 years). But that doesn't change the fact that the cars are crap, and the only way they could sell any, is to give them overlong warranties and cheap prices. So you get long warranty and a cheap car. But the car is crap.
If Macs are overpriced, then how come their sales have been increasing at such a nice price? Apparently people don't think that they are overproved. If they did, they would not be buying them. We can't determine whether some item is "overpriced" by simply staring at the manufacturing-costs and comparing them to sales-price. We need to look at the amount of value and enjoyment people get from the device and the amount of money people are willing to pay for it. If people are not willing to pay the asked price, then it's overpriced. But since Macs have been increasing their market-share, I really don't see how we could say that they are "overpriced"....
Last time I compared their prices, they were more or less the same. And the Mac pro has the best-engineered chassis out there.
It doesn't matter one bit what the reason is, what matters is whether the reason exists or not. And it does.
People are crazy about Thinkpads because they are built like tanks. You are again doing the mistake that you are staring at the specs, and using them to determing the qualities and value of the computer. Thinkpads ARE worth the premium. And no, you can't determine that wrtoh by staring at paper-specs. Just like Macs are worth the premium as well.
Before Thinkpads, we used HP's. Those felt like cheap toys when compared to Thinkpads. And yes, specs are comparable. Point is that there are things that paper-specs don't tell you.
Thinkpads are reliable workhorses. They are not designed for looks. Macs are reliable workhorses as well, but they ARE designed for looks as well.
Also, If you jump between Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and Flash.....Windows is better. With OSX, you gotta bring up expose, find the correct window, then click it. With Windows, you just click it on the taskbar. Expose is better when you're switching once a minute and Windows Taskbar is better if you switch every 20 seconds....productivity wise.
All the PC's we've ever had got so slow after 2-3 years and we were forced to buy a new one. I've had my Mac for two years now and it's still running as fast as the day I got it.Can you elaborate? I have plenty of Optiplex GX260/280s from 2003 still running strong. What about the XPS T series that someone dropped off from their office running Windows 2000 that they finally got around to replacing?
This is the up & down rollercoaster that will seem to occur every year. This has been Apple's biggest marketshare - something that in High Schools, College's/Universities that is growing in Favor of the Mac.
To boost or counter these recently honest Microsoft ads ... Apple needs to focus on WHAT the user really has purchased and brought home for 1st day use, first week, 1st month, and there after!
We ALL know what apps come bundled with OS X ... we all use them DAILY I might add - however those willing to buy a new PC and get cash back for it ... will always go with the PC because its what is common to them at work.
Maybe Apple should seriously consider taking the iMac, MBP, and the XServe to a business stance and REALLY push for it - highlight it for a serious business; something with IMPACT in their respective industry and widely known. Its time Apple kick Microsoft in their money maker ... the corporate industry.
It's the quality of the sound. The refreshing, the enrichment of the sound. I guess some people are pleased with the minimal.
A "PC" two years ago is a Core 2 Duo.
I can't tell if you're serious or not anymore. Especially after the X-Fi comments.
Well the PC I had b4 i got my mac was a Dell Pentium 4 Processor. I know, it's a dell, that's my first problem.A "PC" two years ago is a Core 2 Duo.
I can't tell if you're serious or not anymore. Especially after the X-Fi comments.
A Northwood Pentium 4 2.8 GHz with 1 GB of RAM is a lightning machine with XP for just Word and FireFox. If you feel you really need speed get a newer IDE drive over a stock 40 or 80 GB one.Well the PC I had b4 i got my mac was a Dell Pentium 4 Processor. I know, it's a dell, that's my first problem.
No OS does everything everything wants it to do. OS X is not the ultimate OS, and neither is Windows. And neither is Linux. But Macs are the only computers that can run each of those three.
Um, so what?
The PC we have now has an 80GB HDD, 800MHz Processor and 512MBs of RAM.
It takes 48 minutes to boot up.
Maybe this is how GM and Chrysler should go about marketing their cars versus Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Audi.
How can they make a comparison when they only give the specs for one half of the argument? On top of that, there are many features that can only be had with a Mac. How convenient of them to leave those out.
GM, Chrysler, BMW, Lexus and Audi all make cars.
Hewlett-Packard, Sony and Apple all make computers (that can run Windows)
What does Microsoft make?
What have I learned from watching this ad?
If anything, it's that I should choose Playstation 3 instead of XBox
Count how many programs you have in the Startup folder and system tray. I can say the same of my Macbook.The PC we have now has an 80GB HDD, 800MHz Processor and 512MBs of RAM.
I can add in several other hidden login items that don't have menu bar icons as well.
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Agreed - now only if those morons understood how annoying it is to have 4 bleeping stickers on the front, always visible side of the laptop, they would compete better against Apple.
Seriously PC designers do not understand aesthetics - Sony does but they screw up with those bleeping stickers. If they did not screw up on aesthetics and installed sleek and trim Windows 7 without any crapware on those eye pleasing laptops, Apple would not be a overpriced specialty, not for long.
A "PC" two years ago is a Core 2 Duo.
I can't tell if you're serious or not anymore. Especially after the X-Fi comments.
I'm being serious. Try out an X-FI. Most people don't believe it but when they step into my home-theater room, their jaw drops at the audio quality. It's not because of the Z-5500 speaker system, it's because of the X-FI and Crystallizer.
I might be missing something...wouldn't the dock operate the same way as the windows taskbar in this situation? if that's so, then expose is just an option for those who prefer it and the dock would be more comparable to the taskbar
No it wouldn't. If you have multiple photoshop files open, they would appear ONLY if you RIGHT clicked on the dock bar and it depends for other programs. It wouldn't work for flash or dreamwever.
Windows 7 replicates this same function BUT fixes apple's issue by having an mini-expose on EACH taskbar item on hover.
The dock, with the way the icons for your favorite apps stay in a consistent location, is nowhere near as fun as the Windows Task Bar, where apps are located in the order in which they were launched. IMO.