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Microsoft Retail Stores Offering at Least $200 for iPad Trade-In

Michael Goff said:
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So when I bring up that the iPad is only as capable as an RT when you buy extra things, somebody brings up the fact that the Pro costs more. When I bring up that the Surface Pro is a fricken laptop, I get "buy a real laptop, it's cheaper".

I swear, the gymnastics of some people to defend their iPad is just amazing.
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Being able to running a desktop OS on a small device might be technically impressive, but that doesn't make it more powerful to the user. You're talking technical specifications; basically, a neo-"megahertz myth". I'm talking effect to the user. You want to analyse line-by-line a spreadsheet comparing specs, then sure, I wave my hands in boredom and tell you that you got the numbers. You can probably run AutoCAD on a 4-inch screen. Sweet. That sounds like absolute ********** torture. Who wants to? Only tech geeks who just want to brag that they can. Fine. Go back to your isolated little corner and enjoy doing things solely because you can, rather than because it makes sense or is efficient. If you want to cover what you can do, then we end up lineball, since I can remote into a PC and use AutoCAD, Visual Studio or Photoshop on my iPad. VDI, baby. But all the technical power in the world won't make people work that way. That's not real power, and that's what Microsoft doesn't understand.

Apple and Google got that equation right. Microsoft didn't, as demonstrated by their scramble to produce 8.1 and the extremely low take up of all Surface products.

BTW, it's not a laptop, even when you do add on the non-included keyboard.
 
batchtaster said:
Being able to running a desktop OS on a small device might be technically impressive, but that doesn't make it more powerful to the user. You're talking technical specifications; basically, a neo-"megahertz myth". I'm talking effect to the user. You want to analyse line-by-line a spreadsheet comparing specs, then sure, I wave my hands in boredom and tell you that you got the numbers. You can probably run AutoCAD on a 4-inch screen. Sweet. That sounds like absolute ********** torture. Who wants to? Only tech geeks who just want to brag that they can. Fine. Go back to your isolated little corner and enjoy doing things solely because you can, rather than because it makes sense or is efficient. All the technical power in the world won't make people work that way. That's not real power, and that's what Microsoft doesn't understand.

Apple and Google got that equation right. Microsoft didn't, as demonstrated by their scramble to produce 8.1 and the extremely low take up of all Surface products.

BTW, it's not a laptop, even when you do add on the non-included keyboard.
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Your response is a mess.

You mention a 4" screen as if it is relevant to this discussion.

We're talking about tablets, 10" tablets to be more specific. These aren't exactly tiny devices.

Then we move on to the "scramble to make Windows 8.1". I'm sure that iOS will be so bad they're going to "scramble to release iOS 8 within a year". What? It's okay when everyone else releases a new version every year, but not Microsoft? They shouldn't try to start working faster like everyone else already was?

When you find a 4" Surface Pro, come back and find me.
 
I think this is a pretty good idea on their part. I wonder what they do with the iPads tho. I can see them using them for in-house development of iPad apps. This is a win win get iPads off the market and not having to purchase iPads from apple meaning less sales for them.
 
Michael Goff said:
Your response is a mess.

You mention a 4" screen as if it is relevant to this discussion.

We're talking about tablets, 10" tablets to be more specific. These aren't exactly tiny devices.

Then we move on to the "scramble to make Windows 8.1". I'm sure that iOS will be so bad they're going to "scramble to release iOS 8 within a year". What? It's okay when everyone else releases a new version every year, but not Microsoft? They shouldn't try to start working faster like everyone else already was?

When you find a 4" Surface Pro, come back and find me.
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I'm giving you examples - extreme, maybe, but still relevant. You brag that you can run Photoshop on your Surface. Why not a 4" phone? Based on your exact logic, wouldn't that make such a phone more powerful than an iPhone? No. Nobody in the real world wants to do this. So why do you think editing HD images on a 10" tablet is "powerful"? It's not. But if you feel powerful doing stupid things on a tablet, simply because you can, rather than because it makes sense, then thumbs-up to you, little buddy. Stay warm.

If you've been paying attention, you'd know that Windows 8.1 was accelerated because 8.0 was such a disaster, in a (partial) backpedal of their stupid new ideas. Sure, every OS vendor releases new updates. But not every vendor reverts big chunks of their bold new paradigm within the first update, solely because it was received so poorly.
 
A flat out acknowledgement that the iPad is worth more used than their half baked tablet new.

This is a better business for Microsoft retail than Surface sales. That's why even Gamestop will pay out for used iPads. Big business.
 
Yes

Michael Goff said:
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You're comparing an iPad to a Surface Pro? Run Visual Studio on your iPad. Run full Photoshop on your iPad.

I could continue.

Edit: Or in other words: Regardless of how much you spend on an iPad you can do so much more on a Surface Pro.
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I'm comparing two 64GB devices with similarly functional "optional" accessories that are likely to be purchased with them and I was being very generous. The 64GB Surface Pro is Microsoft's "bottom-of-the-line" Pro model and the 64GB iPad is Apple's "next-to-top-of-the-line" iPad. Of course Windows 8 requires significantly more space for installation that iOS, so that iPad actually has more room for user data than that Surface. On top of that, the iPad is very usable without any keyboard accessory but the Surface is nearly crippled without one of its two available keyboard accessories.

As for the software you mentioned:
Visual Studio - $500 to $4,249 depending on what version you want.
vs.
Xcode - FREE There's just one version and it does everything.

Granted Xcode only runs on a Mac. But, as a developer I'd rather use a computer (as in non-tablet or non-phone device) for development but that's just me. And for me the same applies for Xcode or Visual Studio.

Adobe Creative Suite - $50 per month for the whole suite if you go through Creative Cloud. $20 per month for an individual app.

Almost every Adobe app I could in the app store is FREE. I did find at least one exception which is Photoshop Touch for $4.99. There might be others but I didn't look that far.

And come to think of it, if you want to run Adobe's bloatware, you better get the 128GB Surface Pro. The price just went up to $900 (+$80 for the keyboard.)

Or you could get a 128GB iPad for only $800. Much better value, IMO.
 
TouchMint.com said:
I think this is a pretty good idea on their part. I wonder what they do with the iPads tho. I can see them using them for in-house development of iPad apps. This is a win win get iPads off the market and not having to purchase iPads from apple meaning less sales for them.
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Get iPads off the market? What's that mean? Apple already sold that iPad, and banked their profit. Then MS is going to go $200 into their profit to sell one of their devices? All so that the person who buys it can find out just how bad a POS it is?
 
lobeyonekenobi said:
Google have released the Nexus 7 and 10 but what innovations do they bring, higher resolution, excess heat, lags like crazy and has a "mind of it's own" when inputting gestures.
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As someone who actually owns both an iPad 3 and a Nexus 7, I can confirm from personal experience that the Nexus 7 is smoother in operation and generates less heat than the iPad.

I'm not hating on apple, it just bugs me to see such closed-minded comments.
 
batchtaster said:
If you've been paying attention, you'd know that Windows 8.1 was accelerated because 8.0 was such a disaster, in a (partial) backpedal of their stupid new ideas. Sure, every OS vendor releases new updates. But not every vendor reverts big chunks of their bold new paradigm within the first update, solely because it was received so poorly.
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Windows 8 is a decent tablet/touch OS, but a horrible desktop OS.

Surface failed not because of the OS (which is decent) but due to the lack of decent apps, and the confusion between RT and Pro, price, and marketing issues.
 
batchtaster said:
I'm giving you examples - extreme, maybe, but still relevant. You brag that you can run Photoshop on your Surface. Why not a 4" phone? Based on your exact logic, wouldn't that make such a phone more powerful than an iPhone? No. Nobody in the real world wants to do this. So why do you think editing HD images on a 10" tablet is "powerful"? It's not. But if you feel powerful doing stupid things on a tablet, simply because you can, rather than because it makes sense, then thumbs-up to you, little buddy. Stay warm.
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Actually, quite a few people bought a Surface Pro just for the Wacom digitizer capabilities. It's roughly the same size and sports the same capabilities as the entry level Cintiq, but offers a higher resolution screen and an actual portable computer behind it for the same price.

Don't assume something is worthless because it doesn't fit into your narrow usage scenario.
 
Because the iPad is worth more than the Surface? Are they trying to cut their losses by refurbing and reselling the iPads turned in on this 'deal'?

Smart move...

Aren't they having a 'fire sale' on the Surface already anyway?

Maybe they should stick to what works to get their 'technology' into idiot's hands and start just giving the damn things away... :D
 
MacRumors said:
https://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/1...ting-offering-at-least-200-for-ipad-trade-in/

Microsoft is now accepting trade-ins for Apple iPads at its retail stores. The promotion sees Microsoft giving gift cards worth at least $200 for the iPad 2 and newer, meaning purchasers need only spend $149 to get an entry-level Microsoft Surface RT tablet.

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The offer is valid until October 27, 2013 at Microsoft Retail Stores in the U.S. and Canada, with a limit of one per customer.

Microsoft has been aggressively trying to compete with Apple in the tablet market in recent months; Microsoft has run a number of anti-iPad television advertisements in addition to a recent price cut to its tablets.

Article Link: Microsoft Retail Stores Offering at Least $200 for iPad Trade-In
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Take my Surface, plea-ea-ea-ease!

Why on God's Green Earth would I *pay* $150 to downgrade my iPad?

Not. Gonna. Happen.
 
osofast240sx said:
I just signed a document scanned it put it into PDF faxed it right from my iPad. When the surface can do this on the go let me know:cool:
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Yeah, a surface pro has a wacom digitizer, so rather than printing said document, ill just ink it in windows, and email it.
 
a.gomez said:
woow, I was at the Microsoft store looking at another thinkpad tablet 2 - they have them for 499 now with the Wacom... wonder if this would apply for that
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Honestly if there was a MS store near me I would probably take them up on that offer and get that Thinkpad tablet 2

My iPad2 pretty much is used for Netflix, Amazon Instant and web surfing. A few games and ebooks
 
batchtaster said:
I'm giving you examples - extreme, maybe, but still relevant. You brag that you can run Photoshop on your Surface. Why not a 4" phone? Based on your exact logic, wouldn't that make such a phone more powerful than an iPhone? No. Nobody in the real world wants to do this. So why do you think editing HD images on a 10" tablet is "powerful"? It's not. But if you feel powerful doing stupid things on a tablet, simply because you can, rather than because it makes sense, then thumbs-up to you, little buddy. Stay warm.
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I'm in the real world. I'm likely buying a surface pro 2 so that I can do work from home (using a real monitor, keyboard and mouse), and have an occasional entertainment/work crutch when I travel.

And it's not replacing an iPad. It's replacing a 15" rMBP.

Why would I do something so crazy?

rMBP is a great computer, but given it's cost it's a total liability for travelling. I can't use it in a small plane. And it weighs twice as much.

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By the way. a lot of the work programs I run are windows only. So when I do take my rMBP on the road, I'm using bootcamp and I only get 4-5hours of battery.

If the rumors are correct, a surface gives me more battery, a dock, wacom tablet and a 1080p travel screen.

There isn't a machine on the planet that offers so much for what I think is a relatively common usage scenario.
 
So MS is telling me to get rid of my great iPad 4 AND pay $150 for a Surface tablet?????!!!! :eek::eek::eek:
 
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How much for a Surface RT trade-in???

Gee, wouldn't take Surface RT trade-ins because they aren't worth any trade-in value to begin with???
 
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