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Microsoft Says Apple's 30% Fee Makes Xbox Cloud Gaming iOS App 'Impossible'
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Where on Earth did I ask for a government to intercede on my behalf? It is blindingly obvious that what I want is for Apple to realize on its own how its actions are counter to its better business interests and change course.
Next time, try responding to what I wrote, not to whatever you THINK I wrote.
And you cannot use an existing subscription tied to your account. You MUST buy the IAP?
Link me to an article from apple on how to do this!
Maybe I can get some use out of my iPad 2 yet.
That simply will never happen for public traded companies in the US. Short term profits are better. We see this time and time and time and time again. And Apple is doing everything legally possible to ensure they maximize their profits.
No I’m not, the other poster suggested agreeing to Apple terms and just increase the pricing to make up for the lost 30%, I explained why that doesn’t work, Microsoft increasing pricing damages their brand and perceived value, nothing about Apple adding value.
You need to get over this market economics terms you’ve stumbled across because it’s clear you don’t understand a bit of it.
YouTube brand is just fine and their IAP is more expensive. It won't hurt their brand like you imply.
Excuse me if I am wrong. Couldn't microsoft could block Xbox DLC purchases, like they already do with the xbox app (your console won't let you go to the dlc store when on remote play.)
They are required to sell you Xbox Gamepass however in the app, if I understand apple's rules correctly. Why couldn't' Microsoft just set the price as 30% more expensive, if someone has a initial or reoccurring Xbox Gamepass purchase via Apple IAP?
I think Apple is in the wrong on this as it is exactly like netflix streaming. I do think it is more of a move to get native iOS apps in the store, purchases like this enhance the ecosystem, rather than streaming where the games are essentially portable.
I also think it's the opposite for Microsoft, they don't want to have a 30% more expensive streaming app (which they will probably get minimal sales anyway) as Apple may become a serious competitor in the future, right now in the portable space with the rise of Steam Deck and other systems windows powered PC gaming might have serious competition from apple in several years time.
They are required to sell you Xbox Gamepass however in the app, if I understand apple's rules correctly. Why couldn't' Microsoft just set the price as 30% more expensive, if someone has a initial or reoccurring Xbox Gamepass purchase via Apple IAP?
I think Apple is in the wrong on this as it is exactly like netflix streaming. I do think it is more of a move to get native iOS apps in the store, purchases like this enhance the ecosystem, rather than streaming where the games are essentially portable.
I also think it's the opposite for Microsoft, they don't want to have a 30% more expensive streaming app (which they will probably get minimal sales anyway) as Apple may become a serious competitor in the future, right now in the portable space with the rise of Steam Deck and other systems windows powered PC gaming might have serious competition from apple in several years time.
YouTube is a well established product in a well established market that isn’t in its infancy trying to fight the norms of their industry in terms of how the products are both paid for and accessed, i.e. people are used to buying games and owning them outright, not subscribing monthly. Its already an uphill battle, having a perceived higher cost of entry isn’t going to help that.
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But…their current course of action robbed them of the short-term profit of me buying another AppleTV…
Regardless, companies change course all the time when they realize they can make more money another way.
That is rubbish, why are you only viewing it from a very basic consumer standpoint? This does eventually affect the consumers because it’ll either result in higher prices or the lack of app availability, but in the immediate future this is a fight between app developers and Apple. However your bizarre mindset of I won’t fight something til it hits me is a weird one, why you wouldn’t want to stand up to prevent a problem for yourself beforehand is beyond me.
And no you aren’t dropping 80k on a car and then selling the car because you found out Apple are causing the car manufacturer to make a loss on servicing, what a strange argument.
Only in certain markets, and gaming is not Microsoft’s strong point, just compare sales of Xbox to its competitors, or the Microsoft/Xbox store for Windows compared to Steam. And when it comes to streaming you could be anyone, game streaming is an emerging market that needs a lot more growth to become mainstream.
That only works in a healthy, competitive free market. That typically requires low barriers to entry for new competitors, giving users ample choice among different competitors and the ability to easily switch between them.
The reason regulations are intervening more and more is because they don't consider that to be the case currently, and for good reason: the barrier to entry in the smartphone market is immense.
I’m fine with Apple taking a 30% cut when they sell an app, song or movie that is hosted on their servers. But when they are trying to take a cut from a different service that they are in no way involved in, that’s where I draw the line.
Should Apple get 30% of MacRumors advertising money if you’re reading this on an Apple device? Of course not!
As for Microsoft taking a 30% cut for XBox games, yes, they should. They are hosting the game and provide the online service that multiplayer is played on. That makes sense.
See the difference?
You think people are going to care about that? If Microsoft doesn't intend to sell any subscription, then the price doesn't really matter and won't massively hurt the brand as you imply.
The people that will get this on their phone are not really hardcore gamers. They will use Xbox/PS5 or better yet a PC instead for their hardcore gaming needs. This is for the generic user.
It's absolutely relevant. I would know I'm a developer.
And we're talking Xbox here, you can't just get any Xbox game wherever you want. Sony and Nintendo charge 30% too.
Sounds like Apple has wronged you, not met your expectations for the device you purchased. But did you not know any of this prior to buying it?
Your best course of action is to not keep expecting a service you want from company that doesn't provide that service.
Hmmm....I've had my own businesses for more than 30 years. I think I've come to understand market economics just fine.
This whole thread has one and only one solution: market economics.
I disagree, and so do many regulators.
I just don't think any company should be allowed, under any circumstances, to control what ones does with hardware they own.
I consider it a market failure and it shouldn't be legal.
Every thread here you are. Doesn’t it get tiring? Just go buy an Android