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Microsoft Says Apple's 30% Fee Makes Xbox Cloud Gaming iOS App 'Impossible'
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They do for the Xbox. I would like to see Microsoft walk the talk by allowing the epic games store on the Xbox console. Let Epic keep 100% of Fortnite IAP while also hosting other developers’ games and charging them a commission.
Oh, and I am pretty sure they don’t charge themselves 30% for game pass the same way they bill other developers.
Let’s see how Microsoft reacts when it’s their revenue on the line now.
And for what it’s worth, they can always do a Spotify where users have to sign up for said service via an external website, thereby working around the need to pay Apple 30%.
Too many people are too quick to cry “unfair” these days when they really just mean “not to my advantage”, and that’s just life.
It hasn't nothing to do with anyone's personal phone. Apple owns the home the apps live in, and it aint cheap to maintain the backend services they provide.
It's not different at all. Anyway you've already been corrected you're just choosing to ignore the facts.
Ok you're not even worth arguing with if you think anything in this post is accurate. Seriously "Apple isn't doing anything" Jesus. What a false statement.
Apple isn't maintaining squat on the backend in this circumstance. All they are doing is hosting a shell of an app that connects to Microsoft's servers to do all the work.
Sure, they do some work, but in this isn't one of those cases.
their OS is basically an extension of Free BSD
Oh man. 🤦♂️ Please do some research.
Yes, so simple. Just a shell app. Just a shortcut! No big deal. Silly me.
I think apple does a straight-up sh*t job maintaining the App Store, so what are they doing with all their income? It's full of scamware, pay-to-play, ripped-off, casino-knockoff BS.
It's needs a serious, and I mean big, overall rebuild. The App Store SUCKS, so sorry if I don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
Well, at this point I just grab my popcorn to watch tech giants finger pointing at each other, also with lawyer magic wand. 🪄
There’s always more to the story, but Apple being the biggest player here definitely attracts lots of attention and blame, regardless of the reason. Either way, I don’t worship any megacorp so 🤷 let them fight each other.
There’s always more to the story, but Apple being the biggest player here definitely attracts lots of attention and blame, regardless of the reason. Either way, I don’t worship any megacorp so 🤷 let them fight each other.
Nothing Apple does is any different than is Linux. Unless and until Apple can prove they have not used any (and I mean any) publicly available software (that means they completely invent everything they use in their OS from scratch, with no evolution from any code that is open source), they should not even have copyright on that software (because it is not completely unique) and should have no patent rights on that software (because they didn't invent it). Given that nothing about Mac OS is wholly, totally and completely unique to them (not based on any inventions or software developed by anyone else), no, they should have no rights provided by any government to lock down their software, mandating fees be paid if someone wants to install what they want on this platform that the owner; and the term needs to become owner; if you buy it, you are not licensing, you OWN and have a right to do what you want with that software including install anything you like on the platform without paying a single fee. Apple only gets away with being a "gatekeeper" because of patent and copyright protection. It's time for the EU to withdraw all of that protection from all software permanently as nothing in software is "unique" (i.e., not derived from any other invention)
I agree! I should be able to have my products on the most beautiful and largest displays ever, right at the front door of every Target, Best Buy, Walmart, etc. without needing to pay a single cent to the retailers carrying them!
You mean like... buying the game at the store and installing it from a disc? They allow that, assuming the publisher chooses to publish physical copies.
Microsoft (and Sony) both charge publishers for certification up front, which is something Apple ostensibly does for "free" and is covered by the 30% globally by all publishers (free apps supported by ads give Apple nothing for example) however Apple's QA process before listing is kinda garbage these days.
You forgot the part where the supermarket prohibits Apple from directly advertising (their subscription services) to iPhone users on the iPhones - without paying a 30% commission to the supermarket too.
Which is precisely why governments around the world are suing Apple to allow apps to live elsewhere other than being FORCED to live in Apple servers. Mac software can be obtained on the web, why not iOS (hint: $$$$$$$$$)
Apple only has itself to blame for this whole situation. Stipulating that Microsoft needs to have IAP while the Netflix and spotifys of this world don’t? That’s inconsistent and it’s gonna get them in trouble with the law. Not to mention Apple got greedy it’s pretty simple. They could have been in front of this years ago but the cash was too tempting. So they opted to burn down the house developers built and hold people for ransom. That clucking sound is chickens coming home to roost. And I’ll guarantee the Apple of 5 years from now doesn’t have any of these hangups and preferential treatment. Their hand will be forced because of their greed. And the sad part is it didn’t have to be like this and they could still make a killing without all the regulatory scrutiny
Microsoft aren’t needing “hosting” from Apple - 99% of hosting for a game streaming app is done by them themselves.
Oh, and also, we aren’t living in the past anymore.
Contrary to mobile software application stores, smartphone and computers are competitive markets.
…and they act as if they “own” (access to) to that customer base, monetising it as they please.
And governments are going to rein them in on that.
100%. Apple can’t claim the security high horse either when children’s casino apps and scams are allowed to sit on the store for years. Claiming their tooling is anything above middling and therefore merits them some cash is silly. Having Xcode is the price of doing business.
TL;DR: shareholder value doesn’t care about scammy apps or privacy except when it’s convenient to growth.
Your "greed" assessment might have weight if every other company out there weren't also charging 30% for goods & services or reducing the 30% to 15% after a year.
This is a poor and increasingly tired analogy. Best Buy owns their building so they decide what goes in it.
The more apt analogy would be if the buildings contractor demanded a cut if every Best Buy sale since they put the store together. Sure, they sold it but based on your logic that means they can still control it forever.
Why is anyone acting as a defender for the largest corporation in the world here? No one is saying Apple has to host everything on its app store. They're saying alternative app stores should be allowed. That way if you only trust Apple you can only use the Apple app store BUT others have alternative options.
It’s the same. They own the hardware, not the software platform that Runs on it. You buy a car, but pay for gas or it’s useless. You buy the house, but it doesn’t have the same value if you don’t have utilities
Absolutely. That does seem to be the situation.
What bugs me is the fact that Apple is not at all afraid of creating innovative hardware. The Vision Pro proves that. Apple can still do it.
Which makes the stagnation in their industrial design more frustrating. They have the talent. They have the resources. And yet the iPhone has looked the same for almost five years now.
I really wonder if the exodus of Ive is the reason for this. It doesn’t seem like Apple is excited or inspired about their hardware right now. It’s a bummer.
The focus is on “services”, while the reason Apple is in the market position they are in right now was because of hardware.
Tim Cook has been doing an amazing job at making all the money. But no one is excited about the hardware. It’s a problem.